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Scary thing is, do we trade that high pick to try and win now, or hold onto that high pick in case he leaves?

At least for this year we got the blessing of hoping he stays rather than being one of the other teams hoping he chooses them.

Scary thing is, do we trade that high pick to try and win now, or hold onto that high pick in case he leaves?

I'm not NBA guy, so this might be a dumb question, but why couldn't the Cavs just void the deal and tell Irving "Here's the deal Kyrie: we can either stage a phony reconciliation and keep you until the time comes when we can trade you without getting bent over, or you can sit on the bench - or at home - for the next 2 years."?

Because the guy is one of the best player in the NBA and is a bigly valuable piece to us and our hopes of getting another title and keeping Lebron. Even if that value is in what he brings us in trade. Achieving some moral victory by sitting him for two years would serve no ones best interest .

I don't know why you think that I'm looking for some kind of moral victory by shelving Irving. It was more like I was counting on him being sensible enough to know what was in his best interests in regards to his wish to no longer be here. What he needs to understand though, is he doesn't yet have the hammer to force anything. The Cavs own his rights for 2 more years, and he could either play along with the attempt by the Cavs to recoup something closer to fair value for him, or he could be really dumb and stage a 2 year protest. I said I'm not NBA guy, and I'm not, but its counter-intuitive to me for the Cavs to behave as if they have no leverage over him in this situation.

Report: Cavaliers will ask for Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum in Kyrie Irving trade

Dane Carbaugh,NBC Sports


Isaiah Thomas and Kyrie Irving were swapped for one another earlier this last week. That’s how we stood until the Cavaliers had a look at Thomas’ hip, after which the Cavs decided to give ol’ Danny Ainge a ring.

The Cavaliers are not completely confident about Thomas’ hip, and reportedly want to come back for more in compensation for Irving. Meanwhile, the Celtics believe that they gave up so much for Irving in the first place — including Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and the Brooklyn Nets first rounder in 2018 — primarily because of some doubt with Thomas’ health.

So we are at an impasse, and the Celtics are reportedly unwilling to move off of their agreed-upon offer for Irving.

Meanwhile, it appears that the Cavaliers will come back and ask for specific players on the Boston roster. According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, Cleveland will ask for either Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum.

Here is what Wojnarowski said on SportsCenter, via NESN:

“Now, Cleveland is going to try to inquire about a couple of the Celtics’ young players, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, who they tried to get in the original trade, that is very unlikely. But Boston still has a war chest of future first-round picks of their own, and some picks they control from other teams, and Cleveland is going to try to get one more of those to finalize this deal.”

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“Boston is resisting, and will initially at least, resist this idea. Boston believes that it was completely transparent with Cleveland about where Thomas was physically, his rehab. Cleveland’s version of this is that they didn’t realize how long Thomas could potentially be out this season, he’s in the final year of his contract, and obviously, that matches up with what will likely be the final year of LeBron’s current deal, and so there’s going to be a showdown between these two teams that may last a couple more days.”

Unless Thomas’ hip is completely shot and he’s a non-factor in this trade, there isn’t really any reason for the Celtics to send their young core with their current package to Cleveland. People already felt they sacrificed some of their depth by sending Crowder in this deal, forcing them to rely on said young players to develop quickly in order to make sure they have enough rotation to get through the playoffs.

As Wojnarowski points out, this is likely a negotiating tactic on both sides. We will just have to wait to see who budges first, and who sticks to their guns. Given past history and the apparent leverage within the situation, it feels like Boston will be able to just wait this one out.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-ask-jaylen-brown-002506120.html

I'd bet it's in place of Thomas ... give us Tatum, Crowder, and the Nets pick and it's a STEAL

That's why I don't get these articles that say Boston has all the leverage. Do they? If the trade doesn't go through, we just get back the same guy that wanted to be traded before the deal happened. Boston will have to take back a PG that will be a lot more difficult to trade now, as well as an unhappy Crowder.

I wonder if that asking is for one of those players in addition to Thomas or in place of?
Obviously you ask for in addition to but I'm wondering if they would accept in place of.

How do you ask for more in a trade after the fact? Isn't it a done deal? No backsies?

Thanks guys, I didnt think of that.

Yep, just leave the thinking up to the men.

OK, I just heard on the radio that Jae Crowder has a kid with Derrick Rose's ex, and that they're still together. Hope that doesn't mean anything.

Why not add a conditional pick?

If Thomas plays more than X number games we get nothing, if he plays between X and Y we get a second round pick, if we plays between Y and Z games we get a first, if he plays kess than . Then we get the lakers pick.

Zach Lowe on the trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20501...homas-trade-nba