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I guess he's always had a right hip issue, aggravated it March, and reaggravated it in ECF

I wonder is another interested party .... with some very good assets to offer .... might make the Celtics loosen up a bit?

Cavaliers have the right to rescind the deal up to midnight tomorrow ..... IIRC.

I think the Cavs are just going to roll w/the current offer.

It all comes down to the balance of someone helping this year and protection if lebron leaves...they need a reliable playmaker to replace irving, nothing in that trade gets them that if IT can't play most of the season

But what if the Cavs believe that LeBron will return? What if they think IT will return early in the season? What if they can't get a better deal elsewhere?

We'll see. I was hoping we could get a guy like Smart or Brown, but I kinda think the deal just goes through as is. Maybe we get an additional second.

Just speculating. I could be dead wrong.

If it goes through as is I think they feel IT can still help this year. I too wanted smart, having another defensive guy who doesn't actually need to score would be great, esp if rumors are true and Wade ends up here, we will then have enough offense. The milwaukee trade is intriguing as well if they come off a 1st rounder.

This is what i despise about Lebron, you make this big deal about coming home and saying all that garbage in the letter about the commitment to NE ohio, and then you hold the Cavs ransom when all they've done is give you what you want. Atleast be man enough to have an open dialogue as to what you are thinking so they can make decisions in the best interest of the team and not out of fear, if lebron says I'm staying, don't worry about it.. Then you take that 1st and try to flip it for Boogie, if he says he's leaving then you start dumping contracts and try to get some picks and rebuild .

Good post. One thing I would like to add. All we hear about LeBron is from media people who probably have no clue. We do not know if LeBron wants to leave and we don't know if LeBron has already spoken to ownership about returning.

He is the kind of guy who would love to see the media twisting in the wind speculating on what he will do.

That part I'm hoping is true, nothing but speculation at this point..I think if he is talking to the Cavs, the moves they make will probably give us a good indication of his thoughts..I think getting Wade here and maybe Melo if he gets bought out would change Lebrons outlook, If he leaves again, I can't see it being to a west team...he can stay in the east and make the finals every year until he retires...so if he commits to the cavs, do it, sign another max deal and let Altman go to work in building something to compete. Much tougher road in the west.

Yep. I actually think the best spot for him is Cleveland. Maybe that is the homer in me, but we are not as bad as some people are saying. With LeBron, we're still the best team in the East and probably the second best team in the league.

I like getting Crowder. He will provide some toughness. We both agree about Smart. I doubt we get him, though. A combo of IT and Rose is okay. Love will have a bigger role.

I think LeBron is playing the media............but, I could be wrong.

Report: Cavs, Celtics reach agreement on revised Irving-Thomas swap
https://www.thescore.com/news/1362194

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics have reached an agreement on a revised version of their initial swap of point guards, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

The Cavaliers will receive an additional 2020 second-round pick on top of the initial agreement of Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and a 2018 first-round pick from the Brooklyn Nets while sending Kyrie Irving to Boston.

The reported alteration comes just over a week after the initial trade was made official, but four days after it surfaced that the Cavs were looking for extra compensation due to Thomas' ongoing hip injury. It's not known if the deal ever came close to falling through, but Wojnarowski referred to talks between the two teams as becoming a "game of chicken".

Amid concerns the Celtics downplayed the severity of the injury, Thomas himself is on record stating that he may not be ready for the season opener.

The second round pick the Cavs would add comes via the Miami Heat, included in a 2015 trade for Zoran Dragic - brother of Goran - who now plays in Europe.

Chatter in the last few days suggested Cleveland would try and pursue another one of Boston's young forwards such as Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown, but it was perceived to be a non-starter given that the Cavs had reportedly pursued and been rejected on Tatum in initial trade talks for Irving.

I was kind of hoping the trade would fall through.

Or the Cavs would have sent him to Milwaukee. Just because it's Milwaukee and not Boston.

I don't like this. Don't like it at all. Thomas is absolutely no good to the Cavs if he can't play this year.

And I agree with lead. There's a cost that comes with having LeBron. He holds teams ransom. If someone asked "would you take LeBron for four years if it meant a ton of drama but you get at least one championship" I think the answer would be "hell yes". But when you live it as a fan it just makes you scratch your head and wonder why it has to be that way. It doesn't have to be that way, but with LeBron it is.

I'll finish on one other thought. I think Lue was the right coach for the Cavs in 2016. Right place, right time. He was just what was needed. But I don't think he grew as a coach last year and I have concerns about him leading the team this upcoming season. I don't really know what he's good at and the Cavs need him to actually form a team. He needs to figure out how to acclimate Thomas into the fold and taking the Kyrie approach and telling him to chuck it every chance he got isn't going to cut it. The Cavs need to play team ball. It's their only chance to beat the Warriors. Lue sitting on his high chair like a bump on a log basically doing nothing isn't going to cut it.

A lot of drama for what turned out to be a 2020 second round pick. Hopefully, this stunt doesn't sour other teams from negotiating with the Cavs in the future. It's a relationship business and the original deal appeared to had been negotiated in good faith.

The Cavs coveted that Brooklyn pick, they did the right thing.

meh, a 2nd rounder isn't much obviously. We desperately wanted the Nets pick next year ... we must think next year's class has some franchise players

That 2nd could be what it takes for a team to take a bad contract from us.

Not exactly sure how I feel about the trade... I kind of had the mindset it was going to fall through. Ugh!

I am very happy this trade went through. I think the Cavs won this trade in a very big way. Earlier on the page, I said I thought the trade would go through and then added that maybe Boston would throw in a second rounder. I'm more than happy w/the results of the trade.

I don't agree w/the take that teams won't want to trade w/the Cavs. That doesn't make any sense to me. If anything, it was the Celtics who came across as a bit shady in this deal. I think that when IT came out and said he might not be ready for the start of the year, it cast a dubious shadow on Boston, rather than Cleveland.

Great day for the Cavs!

Boston had more to lose than the Cavs, ultimately it worked out for both sides, That second rounder is the equivalent of a 7th round pick in the NFL, but can be used to help us unload a bad contract (ie shump/jr) I think now that the trade is official, we will see another move or two before the start of camp

I for one will be glad to see Shump go. I hate watching him. He looks slow, he passes up open shots which might not be a bad thing because when he does take them I am always surprised when it goes in. The only shot I can think of that hehits consistently is the 12 footer along the baseline.

I'll give him that he can be a good defensive player - when he wants to be. However, it seems as if he is disinterested far more often than not.

Supposedly the Cavs knew everything about Thomas' injury, but they just disagreed on how long the recovery might take. It has been reported that neither team was shady, just a disagreement.

I don't think this situation will affect either teams' standing with other teams in the league.

Gilbert selling in a few years. Will Lebron be buying in a few years?

https://www.thescore.com/news/1363449

Um, speculation by people not even linked to the Cavs. I can write an article and make up stuff too.

LOL.............Good call!

It's just me, but I have a hard time thinking Lebron would give Gilbert any of his money.

Is this that 18 year old journalist that wrote about the Browns too?

Lebron has said that he wants to have earned a billion dollars by the time his playing career ends. I could see him wanting to buy an NBA team, especially one close to home.

I am hoping that people actually read the article.

It was speculative. It didn't say that he was selling. It said, he could sell.......

Oh, I understand that.

I am just saying that Lebron has said that he wants to be a billionaire by the time he retires, and if, and I strewss if, the Cavaliers happen to be up for sale at that time, I could see him being very interested, and capable of buying the team.

yeah that garbage piece was written to play devils advocate when gilbert came out and said he'd never move the cavs, and they are all like, well he could sell them and those people can move it...the crap that passes as journalism since any tom dick an harry has access to a computer and internet

I dont really access Twitter from my laptop, so I cant really paste Dan Gilberts tweet in response to these clickbait journalists , but he basically said he will never move the Cavs out of Cleveland.

I donnt think many people really realize how much Gilert has invested into the city of Cleveland , and not just as far as sports francises and the Q

So, Isaiah Thomas is out till the All-Star break (probably).

looks like Cavs are already shopping that pick from Boston, the 3 names being mentioned, Cousins, Davis, Marc Gasol

Davis, as in ANTHONY Davis?

yep

I could see New Orleans wanting to unload Cousins because that experiment didn't work, but Davis would be a complete and utter coup.

0% chance on Davis and Gasol and I don't see Cousins being moved until the experiment fails.

Getting Davis would be a dream come true. No way can that be true, can it?

The new GM already has people forgetting who the BM before him was ...... manage to get Davis and he might become G.O.A.T. in his 1st few months on the job. LOL

Imagine how the Celts would view this trade if the Cavaliers managed to turn that pick into Davis.

Highly unlikely we'd get Davis for the pick alone. Who else would we throw in to sweeten the pot?

Lots more. And even then, if Davis were available there are several more teams that could offer [way] more than the Cavs. Off the top of my head the Suns could offer picks and Josh Jackson and the Celtics could offer Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, the Lakers/Kings, pick, etc.

Anthony Davis is not available and if he was, the Cavs don't have enough to get him.