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I love the alt-right's mental gymnastics on the KKK to where they became peaceful protesters, instead of rule-breaking, hyper-aggressive protesters who were attempting to murder people. Also sweet inclusion of "us". I love how 40 isn't afraid to hide his true colors.

Foolishness.

All Americans have a Right to Free Speech and no one has a Right to deny us that through violence.

bro swear i never thought i see the day where the majority of conservatives are out here defending nazi's and the klan.

there is more hate for the group attacking nazi's and the klan than the actual nazis and klan members themselves. its mind boggling.

i dont care if they get offended, in my eyes they might as well be defending ISIS and the taliban.

Wait a minute. Where do you get "the majority of conservatives are out here defending nazi's and the clan"?

this board, social media, fox news and briebart, etc.

dead ass, i've seen more people defend the klan and nazi's than they are speaking up for antifa who was out there counter protesting them.

i've seen more coverage on antifa than the douchebag racist who rammed his car into a crowd like ISIS .

it is absolutely pathetic.

free speech is the new cover.

Oh.

I guess it depends which side you look at things from. Maybe?

This board has become liberal central in my opinion.

The guy that drove the car into people? What's to talk about? He was caught, arrested, in jail, and awaiting trial that will send him to prison.

Myself, I haven't seen many defend the clan, or the nazi's.

Antifa is just as bad. They deserve to be shown for what they are - just as the clan, the nazi's, etc.

You confuse defending our Right to Free Speech with defending Alt Right hate groups.

I do not support Alt Right or Alt Left groups and their messages of Hate.

I support the Right of all Americans to Free Speech.

Antifa did not get the Terrorist Label for counter protesting, they got that label for the organized use of violence to shut down the Free Speech of any American saying things they don't agree with.

sorry but there is no "just as bad"

that's crap and you know it. when antifa kills off 6 million jews, lynch minorities from trees, or enacts jim crow laws, let me know.

til then, you need to understand that your false equivalency is exactly why these idiots feel so empowered as they do now. they are watching guys like you do less attacking toward them and more attacking toward their enemy.

so yea, it does depend on the perspective, because from THEIR perspective, you, Trump, Bannon, all these guys are defending them.

and from my perspective, you're complacency is indirectly defending them as well.

they aren't even in the same galaxy of being the same thing, and i'm not an antifa supporter, but i support anybody turning up on racist trash like nazi's and the klan. as i said before, all there other nonsense needs to be condemned, but it's dissapointing to see so many people defend these losers in the name of "Free speech" like Haus, 40, Vambo, and *sometimes* you, yet will absolutely trash groups like BLM, NAACP, etc.

how come 40 and Haus never make a thread about the the Klan being a terrorist group? why don't they ever make a thread about racism, such as the kid who just got hanged in New hampshire.

and THAT'S my problem with people on this board, and around the country.

bet you're gonna say "i didn't know about the kid in new hampshire" or "i wasn't aware". thats Haus's go-to response for everything.

yet the moment BLM or Antifa does something, it's INSTANT trash talking on this board from Vambo, 40, Haus, and some others.

so yea Arch, from my perspective, how else am i supposed to view that? because from us (liberals, minorities) that is a very clear message, even if you're too oblivious as to what that message is.

remember, you guys are directly/indirectly defending the klan, nazi's, and white nationalist.

why in god's name should i EVER agree with y'all on that? there is ZERO reason for me to ever consider that point of view.

i will never defend a group who would murder me because of my skin tone if given the chance. that's idiotic.

but of course some of you guys defend it because you aren't their TARGET.

I don't think I'm oblivious to anything.

Damn man, sorry I said anything.

WTH - the "nazi" party, or even the KKK......they don't have a whole lot of members, do they?

I wasn't aware they had killed 6 million jews, or lynched anyone.

Excuse the hell out of me.


(see, pushing people like me into the kkk or nazi supporter thing is probably WAY bad on your part.)

Correct.

And when I get lumped into something I don't agree with.......lumped in by ass hats.......I tend to respond.

I will never defend a group that would like to kill you because of your skin color. I will also never defend a group that lumps me into being anti "skin color" simply because I'm white, or Caucasian, or French American/Lichtenstinian American............and what ever the hell else people want to label me as.

i said you were complacent in your rhetoric, which allows these groups to feel empowered.

i said all that needs to be said.

it's obvious that i can't get through to anybody on these threads, maybe you need someone who looks like you to say the same thing before you get what i'm saying.

look in the mirror, talk to your boys at the bar, do something.

all i know is that rhetoric like yours and others on this board and throughout this country is not helping race relations whatsoever, and only furthers the divide. i'm moving on.

antifa is nothing but a bunch of white dudes anyway, so when it comes to THIS specific topic with regards to the klan vs antifa, i don't even see where there's a disconnect...unless of course you agree with some of the things coming out of their mouths.

as i said before, and for the last time, when it comes to all the other crap, condemn antifa all you want, i'm on board.

but when it comes to this, either you're with the majority of americans, or you're with the nazis.

there is no "both sides", there is no equivalency, there is no "they're all the same".

either you're racist or you aren't.

What the hell am I supposed to say, or do????????????????


WHAT??????????????? Tell me. What?

I denounce the kkk, I denounce the nazi's. I do. I really, really do.

I also denounce antifa, occupy wall street, and ALL the damn fringe groups.

yet, somehow I'm the problem?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

what's wrong with Occupy Wall street?

the hell did they do?

do you guys on this board stand for ANYTHING?

or are you just the guys complaining about "both sides" while people went and fought the british for independence?

say what y'all want about any of these groups but at least they stand for something.

some of y'all were the guys going "both sides" while we were fighting nazi's in WW2.

i dunno about yall parents, but mine always drilled me about making sure i stand for something, and defend it.

I stand for something.

And please, tell me what you mean by "people fought the british for independence", because I think you might be barking up a tree you don't want to.

But, I'd like to hear what you mean.

easy.

in every major event, there are always those who will go "both sides are to blame" while people go out there and fight/speak out for what they believe in.

for that example, there were people out there upset that fellow americans were going to war for independence because they wanted to stay attached to england, regardless of the oppression they were causing on their fellow people.

it's like the Quakers; was all "opposed" to the british right up until it's time to go out there and fight for what they believe in, cause "pacifism".

Pay attention now.
I have never even seen a Nazi except on tv.
They were in Black and White so I assumed they were a race of Greys.

As far as standing for something, I agree, and I stand for the United States of America and her Constitution/Bill of Rights!

Please let me know when any members of this board support killing off 6 million jews, (Those who did at the time should already be dead and buried by those of us who disagree with them by now. ) Or when any of them actually did that?

BTW If I ever run into a group or even a single person who wants to murder you because of the color of your skin, I got your back and your front. I am old and your young. My kids are old (hell both are older than you lol) your kids are young. I would take a bullit for you bro. of course I am old and falling apart so you can take that with a grain of salt lol

lol thanks bro i'll take one for you too, but hopefully i only get shot in the butt.

Hey there, Sensitive Swish. I'm glad I'm still on your mind despite having not posted about politics in more than 3 days.

Where to start...

First of all, I've noticed a very disturbing trend where liberals accuse people of being Nazis/KKK, and then use that to justify anything that happens to them afterwards, whether it be violence or deplatforming.

Understand this: the vast majority of people who are accused of being KKK or Nazis are not actually KKK or Nazis! If somebody is wearing a robe or they claim they are KKK then so be it. 99% of the time it's just liberal BS.

Call somebody a Nazi (with no evidence) and then attack them. That's heinous.

Nazis/neo-Nazis/KKK are not my thing. I do not like them and do not agree with their views or methods. However, they too deserve freedom of speech.

What are you afraid of, a different opinion? Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never hurt you... unless you let them. It is a sign of intellectual weakness if you cannot debate them and clearly explain why they are wrong. If you can't do that, what does that say about you?

There are already laws against violence and advocating for violence-- advocating violence is an explicit exception and is not covered under freedom of speech. So what exactly is it you're afraid of again?

You see, not only do we have the above problem about how the alt-left will label anybody to the right of center as a "Nazi", there is the gradual erosion of rights to be concerned about. Rights are usually lost at the margins. Take away freedom of speech for Nazis, real or imaginary.
Then the alt-right loses their freedom of speech after that. The alt-light and some of the stauncher conservatives after that... and so on.

Now a significant portion of the populace has been silenced despite freedom of speech being written into the FIRST AMENDMENT of the Bill of Rights.

Oh and don't think that the left is immune either. Did you forget that Republicans control the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and (perhaps) the Supreme Court as well? If you honestly believe that Trump is a fascist (ridiculous but let's go with it), it would seem like you would cherish the idea of freedom of speech. Antifa could lose their ability to speak, then some other fringe group, then Black Lives Matter...

I do not wish to take away anybody's freedom to speak, or peacefully assemble. The key word there is peacefully. I would be fully willing to hear what Antifa or the alt-right or anybody else for that matter has to say. If there is something that I disagree with, that is far to the left (or right) of my views, I'm perfectly confident in my ability to articulate why that is and expose the flaws in their arguments.

Unfortunately, some people think bricks, clubs, and bottles of urine are a better solution. That's sad, although it is rare that there is such a good example of why the second amendment is needed.

More Antifa violence: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/10/portland-police-makes-arrests-antifa-violence-patr/

The formatting is all messed up so click the link if you're interested. Short version: Antifa throws rocks and smoke bombs at police, and attack a conservative group? (I'm not familiar with them) named Patriot Prayer that moved to a different location.

of course the truth is considered "sensitive" to you and the rest of the trump supporters. it's the go-to counter when you really don't have much to counter with.

like your ridiculous post.

i always bring you up because you are the epitome of what i'm talking about. so it's easy to bring you up because white nationalist target guys like you for recruiting. you're the guy who has argued against multiculturalism and on top of that, you didn't even deny what i accused you of.

thanks for proving my point.

and sensitive? you do realize you're the one who got triggered, right? i didn't accuse you of being a nazi, but just like Arch, you read what you wanted to read. i said your rhetoric and defense of these guys only empower them.

so what are YOU afraid of? did i strike a nerve? did i out you? lol

afraid of opinion? no, i'm afraid that throughout history, people turn a blind eye to white supremacy and it ends up screwing up the country/world again. and i'm afraid that once again, the movement is gaining traction.

slavery after 1776.

civil war.

jim crow

WW2

civil rights movement

anti drug act in the 80's.

and now this era where we are once again racially divided.

but again, you're only proving my point. look at what you're doing. you STILL can't trash nazi's and white supremancy, and instead only going on about freedom of speech, even though this same movement committed a terrorist attack like ISIS.

freedom of speech is now the cover to defend nazi's, just like "thug" was the code word for *some* whites who couldn't get away with saying the N word, just like "invasion" is the code word for people who don't like brown people coming into their country, just like "political correctness" was the code phrase for people who couldn't handle the criticism of the comments they made ,and didn't really have a real argument to defend said comments in the first place.

the freedom of speech rhetoric is only an attempt to change the narrative. this isn't about freedom of speech. this is about right or wrong, racist vs non racist, multiculturalism vs ethno states.

but that's what you do, you change the narrative. i'm talking about a specific issue, yet all you want to do is go on about "sticks and stones" and all this other crap.

the only one showing any sort of weakness is you, because again, you can't address any points and want to make this about my character or something. you need to seriously step your game up.

you want to bring up congress but they are the ones ACTUALLY defending minorities in the conservative ideology right now. these greedy ass corporations are showing more leadership than the POTUS on this issue, and thank GOD bannon got fired, as he was part of the problem, and still is.

but again, it's not surprising, as the proof is throughout these threads that you do more trashing of minorities than you do of nazi's and the kkk.

you'll make a blm thread in a heartbeat but won't make a thread about racial injustice. i'm only posting about the things i observe.

and your post did NOTHING but prove my point.

so if you got triggered and hurt....oh well. GOOD. maybe now you'll actually consider the things you post, the ideology you have, the people/groups you defend and the people/groups you trash.

so you can have your cheerleaders liking your post, but that's only because they know i'm talking about they asses too, and since they can't debate me they cling to you cause they suck at making coherent arguments on this topic.

you're not good at it either, but at least you try.

so hide behind code phrases and words all you want, at the end of the day, you've shown throughout our arguments that you lean more toward the radical side of conservatism than you do on ANYTHING dealing with racial equality. straight up.

Sorry bud, when you lump "white" and "conservative" into a group you fail.

Newsflash: Sometimes it isn't about race, or political leanings.

most of the time it is.

and i didn't fail, you're just clinging to words cause you can't debate anything else i said.

have a good night. already exceeded my posting time with you for the day.

Oh........one more thing. yesterday I used "thug" and "Punk" to describe the stoolers and their illegal hits.

I didn't know then, and I still don't know today, the race of any of them.

Does that matter? No.

Oh, I can debate you all night long.

Problem is, you go to the race thing instantly when you have nothing else.

That's part of the reason we can't discuss things.

Race isn't the issue until you, and others, make it the issue.

I'm a pretty level headed person. I can look at a situation and make a fair determination - and race doesn't play a factor, at all.

But for some, race IS the issue, regardless. With those people, I have a hard time discussing as they only have one thing on their mind. Race.

you mean when discussing nazi's, race somehow isn't relevant?

are you that clueless? you do realize that's what i'm bringing up with antifa and what happened in charlottesville, right?

you can post words all night long maybe, but not an actual debate.

You're right. Somewhere the discussion changed.

Nazis and the kkk are bad, and I don't support or endorse them in any way.

I have noticed that BLM is made up mostly of Blacks like CHS.

I have noticed BLM is mostly made up of Obama phone ladies.

lol

I didn't know CHS was black.

And it doesn't really matter, does it?

what does it matter bro?

i wish there were a ton of active organizations on the opioid epidemic that affects mostly whites. i'd love to be a part of that, so far the only thing i can do is once again donate money to foundations and such.

i do try to at least help out with money. the Army use to make that a "voluntold" thing with all the soldiers to donate money to different places, and it just stuck with me. i don't think it's ever gonna stop.

Yes it matters as I was responding to swish who wishes to talk about race.

You don't want to discuss race so why would I direct my observation to you?

I try to keep race out of your face like Vers wants you to keep... ahh nevermind.

Freedom of speech is not cover for anything. It's the whole, "I don't agree with you but I will defend your right to say it."

The United States is one of the very few countries in the world with a prominent, explicit declaration of freedom of speech and there's no way in hell I am going to sit by as some snowflakes try to tear that down.

You realize that non-controversial opinions don't need freedom of speech, right? It is only controversial ones that really need that. Views that we abhor are the ones that need to be protected the most.

If you think that's cover for some secret views I have, whatever. I couldn't care less what you think of me, I've never met anybody on this board and haven't shied away from some pretty controversial views in my own right, so I'm not sure why I'd have to hide some secret views or whatever nonsense you think.

I think freedom of speech and the first amendment in general is very important. You can apply that equally to alt-right and Antifa, Colin Kaepernick and Ann Coulter, Breitbart and Huffington Post, Fox News and CNN.

I've already disavowed everybody you said I haven't disavowed. I'd like a source about your "multiculturalism" post that you keep bringing up because I sure don't remember it. I wonder what the context was, or if it even exists.

Political correctness isn't code for anything beyond what I've said probably a dozen times on here. It shapes the way people can communicate, and ultimately, the way that many people think. In a phrase, it prioritizes feelings over facts.

All this other stuff is the same old accusations you toss around in every other thread. It's hard to keep up with all of them. Once I debunk 10 of them, you throw 20 more out there. all well.

boring.