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Not surprising that they're trying to move Osweiler.

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Joe Haden, Brock Osweiler, Cameron Ervin… #Browns trying to move a bunch of big & disappointing contracts.

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This has been ongoing, shopping BO hard. Not surprised. So this is to make room or have room for The Cut? Or just tidying up? Wish I felt better about our keepers and our depth in spots.

We seem to have some big contracts for some very average players. Good thing we have a lot of cap space, at least for now.

Well we [obviously] didn't sign Osweiler to his contract and Haden's contract seemed like a good idea at time.

if we can get rid of him for anything i'll be happy. maybe colts with erving or haden

I agree. We didn't sign BO and at the time the JH signing was a good idea but it doesn't change the fact that we now own them and they both are average. I really doubt anyone will be knocking down the door too make a trade with us. We will have to eat the majority of these contracts for another team to deal with us.

We traded for that contract.

And while I am in the minority, I don't think it's a good idea to part way w/Brock.

I'll end w/a question: Were the reports that Miami inquired about trading for Brock and us turning them down all lies?

I agree we should keep Brock, at least for this year until we find out what we have with DK. If DK gets injured or plays badly I would hate to have to rely on CK like we did last year. JMO

I kind of wonder if they like what they have with Hogan and don't want to cut him. And Kessler might be an ego thing "the trust me I'm the QB whisperer...ooops".

Osweiler is the easy one to get rid of, and I'm not saying I agree or disagree with moving him. Say we get rid of him on the cheap, like a 7th rounder, and eat say 8m of his salary - it is one heck of a steal - 8m and a 4th rounder for a 2nd and 7th rounder. To be honest, I'd consider Osweiler (and half of his salary this season) and a future 3rd for Landry if Miami is interested...at least it'd start conversation.

I think there is some truth to it.

We have:

A rumor that Miami was trying to trade Landry.
A rumor that we were trying to trade Brock.
A rumor that we are trying to get a WR.
The injury to Tannehil
And a rumor that we turned down an offer for Brock from Miami.

My guess is that we didn't like the offer given.

I was saying this last night. People seem to just want to be rid of the guy but he's decent insurance if DK is awful or gets hurt.

The way I see it is... they're trying to get another nice draft pick (realistically, I'd say ~3rd rounder). I'd say a 5th or later isn't worth it to us... we're better off keeping him as a disgruntled backup in case we start chewing through QBs again.

I don't think anyone would give us that for him... but who knows later in the year. If a cash-strapped team loses their QB and is desperate, BO starts looking pretty good once we eat his salary.

I think when Miami inquired we were still seeing what we had with Brock and he was our #1.

I agree. I don't think we should cut Brock. We need a vet, at least for a while. I'd roll with Kizer, Brock, and Hogan.

Watching this play out will be interesting ...

BO is clearly our 2nd " best "QB .. followed by Hogan and then CK ...

If we could get a 3rd rounder for BO I'd do it in a heartbeat .... no ones going to give up that for him no matter how much of his contract we eat .... he's just not that good ...

So for me, he means more to us than a 4th rnd. Or later draft pick to us so if we can't trade him for at least a 3rd rounder then he should be our backup ...

I would NOT UNDERSTAND cutting him ... that would make zero sense to me ... I wouldn't agree with that at all ... i wouldn't know what it meant ...

- if they cut BO over CK is that us being hardheaded and not wanting to cut Hue's "trust me" pick ..

- would they cut BO over CK because hes younger and could still improve ... after watching him regress and the fact most nfl teams will need their back ups .. i gotta roll with this years back up over potentially developing a guy ...

- would they cut BO over CK because BO has a history of burning bridges and being a jerk ... all reports were basically "great" guy to have in the room ... then the comment about the FO, is that him reverting back to his old ways ....

Cutting him would make no sense to me and would leave me scratching my head unless BO was showing his true colors with the FO remark ...

This will be interesting to watch play out ....

DISCLAIMER: the above is NOT me spewing hate on BO, it is simply MY OPINION of his abilities as an nfl qb ... nothing more, nothing less ... NO HATE at all towards BO the guy ...

Just want to make that clear for those that can't differentiate between thinking someone's a bad QB and hate speech ...

Brock is our 2nd best QB, if not the best, and that isn't ripping at DK. He needs to play for us to find out exactly what we have in the kid. He looks like he can be real good, but we have to remember he hasn't played in a real game yet.

This is bit of hearsay, but listening to Cleveland Browns Daily as the show began, it certainly will not surprise me if Osweiler is cut in the near future.

Again, nothing concrete, but they weren't bashful about discussing him getting cut as a real option.

Wouldn't surprise me. I think with the Haden move they are fine with taking the salary dump this year.

I thought that was the original plan. Get the 2nd rounder, eat the money and cut him. Unless the original plan was to flip him immediately for a 4th or 5th and essentially buy two picks for the $16M but nobody bit so we were forced to trot him out as a possible QB for 2017 (until we all saw 2016 Brock still throwing passes).

Either way, we'll truly see what the current backup QB market is. Would Brock sign before Colin? That would be juicy (not hoping for it, but it would create news for sure).

Brock is a better qb than Kap. And I don't think he got a fair shot here.

I'll take your word on that one. I watched Brock in the playoffs against the Pats, he was BAD. Like cringy, can't watch bad. Then again, most QBs look BAD against the NE.

I heard Denver may look at Kap and/or Brock (if he was cut).

We keep talking about flipping Brock for yet another pick, but I'm wondering (just throwing it out there), if the Browns got a finger-wagging from the NFL. That would kinda put the kibosh on any sort of "eat Brock's salary for a 4th or 5th rounder" type of deal.

I don't believe they are going to cut Brock.
It doesn't make sense to my based on ability or based on money since there wouldn't be savings in cutting him (that I know of)

The only reason for cutting him would be if he acts like a douche and won't be good in the QB room.

If the do anything with Brock my guess is via trade

That's why I hope we keep him this year. He could light it up coming off the bench in backup duty.

But if we trade him for something? meh . . .

I think they might cut him if they don't think he's making progress and the other guys are. Now that Kizer has been named the starter, I worry more about the "now you need me" comments in Houston.

If they're true.

...they gave us a pick to take him. I haven't heard any other realistic scenarios for why the Texans would do such a thing.

Refresher Link (What I jogged my memory with)

Fiorio writes more trash than anyone in the business and is not a reliable source whatsoever.

I'm not saying it's not true, but I don't trust Fiorio at all.

Dunno about more trash than anyone, but I won't vouch for his accuracy either.

The direct quote from McFadden gave it a little more weight to me.

I don't know the specifics, but something had to have happened for them to want rid of him that badly, right?

It was a toxic relationship with O'Brien and BO right out of the gate .... O'Brien had BO shoved down his throat .... it started then and never got better .... it sounds like theres plenty of blame to go around and a finger pointers dream scenario ....

He's simply not a very good qb .... no one wants to talk about that .... hes not good ..... add to that the perceived attitude problem and u have someone no one wants ....

The comment to our FO was just stupid .. there was zero reason for it ... if u want to say the Docheast thing possible ... well that response would be in our top 3 .. it was spiteful and vindictive and childish at best ....

Oh well .... we still have our 2nd rnd pick and unfortunatley hes also our best back up right now ...

Cutting him will make no sense to me .. none ... can't wait to see how this one plays out ...

I wasn't throwing a freaking fit. I said......."if it is true." Big deal.

Yes, something must have happened.

However, guys like you keep ignoring some other things that have happened.

He obviously got paid big bucks. Something must have happened to get that kind of contract, right?

Denver was willing to pay him big dollars. Something must have happened for that to occur, right?

He has been said to be great in locker room here in Cleveland. Something must have happened for that statement to be made, right?

Y'all are so one-sided in almost every topic.

I hope they keep him. He can mentor Kizer, while not being that good, he does know the game and could help. Plus, I rather have him as a back-up than Hogan or Kessler. They got to pay him anyway, might as well keep him until someone else needs him.

I wasn't throwing a fit either. I thought we were having rational conversation. Unfortunately, there is not a convenient shrug emoji or I would have put one after the "right?".

I would say that Brock's big contract said as much about QB scarcity as it did his ability. He had his moments and his team won games, I will admit that.

If he'd been named the starter, I'd have rolled with it. However, he refused to re-sign with Denver after they went back to Manning and he felt slighted. He had whatever incident occurred in Houston after being replaced as the starter by Savage. Now he's being "replaced" again. He made the comment about the FO when asked about the QB competition which indicates to me that he is done being on his best behavior. I'm also not sure he's doing a great job taking the coaching (aborbing/applying might be better) as he'd supposedly been working on shortening his stride, but it was the longest I'd ever seen it the last game he was in.

I think his time as a developmental prospect is on the way closed. If we want more of a mentor, I'd prefer someone else. Plus, there is the whole value idea which came up in the Haden thread. Is he performing better than Tom Brady who is making only 14 million? *shrug* Should a guy who isn't seeing the field on gameday make the most money on the team?

I understand you feel like the guy is being ganged up on, but I think there is more to it.

I agree.

Well if we DO dump Brock we are back to having no real backup if DK goes down. Unless we trade for a better backup or one falls into our lap after cuts Brock is our best bet as a back up to the rook.

Oswiler isn't as bad as folks make him out to be.

I think Jackson wants to hold on to Brock because Kessler and Hogan are not viable backup QB's. Osweiler also appears to be a good team mate and can be that veteran shoulder and such for Kizer. Brock has been very supportive of Kizer, and the two seem to get along pretty well.

you have to have a few veterans on the team...and face it...if Kizer gets hurt I don't even want to think of having to start Kessler or Hogan...we could go 0-16 with those two bums at QB...atleast with Brock we will be able to win a few games and won't be completely dead in the water if Kizer gets hurt.

then again the Browns cut a 2 time Pro Bowler who was only 28 years old that the coaching staff wanted to keep, so who knows what they do...

Isn't Brock closer to Kizer in terms of skill and style than Cody?

Brock is awful IMO.... But I think we should keep him unless we get a great offer.... We better not cut him.... Need to get something for him....

If Kizer sucks the I think we draft a QB next year... Brock will never been a franchise QB...