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Not sure what we do with BO, but Hogan earned a spot tonight IMHO.

I think holding the ball too long is a multifactorial process. Most definitely processing speed is a huge component. But I think another major component is f(or lack of a better word) mental philosophy. I had a better better word earlier but lost it while my computer was recharging (sux to get old).

Let's say you have 2 Qb's with exactly the same processing speed.

Qb1 drops back and sees that his Wr has a half step on the Db, reads it and fires the ball in there.

Qb2 drops back sees that the Wr has a half step on the DB (in the same amount of time) but thinks Uh, he only has a half step. Wait, okay now he has a full step then he throws the ball.

No big deal, bro.............but, we disagree.

Processing is an innate gift and it is hard to predict for many qbs coming out of college.

Rumor has it that Kessler is being discussed in trades

That rumor makes sense ...

I think they would trade BO or CK ...

Or both.

There's a very fine line between bravery and stupidity.

I hope this is true. I am OK with keeping Brock as a veteran presence. And Hogan > Kessler.

This wouldn't surprise me at all.

j/c

I don't see how they can even remotely justify keeping BO. He was awful in his two pre-season starts...simply awful. The other backups moved the team mcuh better than he ever did. He's a six year guy who has gotten worse over the past two years. He is NOT going to start for us. Then there's this...

If he gets seriously injured while playing for the Browns, he may get paid for next year as well as this year. I think the risk of another year of ridiculous $$$ for the "benefit" of having him is holding up a trade as much as anything else.

He's not going to get any better than his recent improvement under the tutelage he's received from Hue & Co...they've done all they can with him. He's no better at the short-intermediate-or long range game than the two younger, cheaper players in the room with him. And those guys just might get better after more than 1.10 years in the league.

His claim to fame is that he backed up a HOF FQB. He and Tebow both won a playoff game. I don't see a way to keep that guy given the circumstances and his performance.

If we're all aboard the Kizer train, then keeping BO (regardless of how you feel about the guy) makes more sense than Kessler. BO is more of a veteran, making him an experienced backup. He's sneaky athletic, and can fire the ball similar to Kizer. Kessler's game is too different from Kizer's.

I'll agree that Kessler's skill-set is very different than Kizer's. If he has to play long-term as the backup, the offense will have to be changed for that difference in skill-set.

However, I am yet to see BO execute anywhere near Kizer's skill-set either...I don't see his ability to fire the ball and his accuracy is non-existent.

Hogan doesn't have Kizer's skill-set either...but IMO he looks much closer to it than does CK or BO.

I think if you want a vet, you can get one that's really way more of a vet than Brock. And you can do it for a lot less than 16 million. (I know, we are going to owe him money no matter what)

Besides, From what I've seen of Brock, I'm left completely unimpressed. Shame really. It would have been one helluva story to have him come here and lead us to a superbowl.... LOL That would have been fun on many levels.

Houston and Denver arent regretting letting Osweiler go.
It's always the organizations fault not his on why he failed at 2 other stops and now 3.
For whatever reason he has this sense of entitlement on the qb position
He been a waste of time in Cleveland

Super Bowl? How about a touchdown? But otherwise agreed.

j/c:

Brock did not get enough opportunities to prove much of anything in the preseason game, despite what all of these great qb talent evaluators are saying on this thread.

Aww poor Brock, such a victim.

The outrageous salary is a sunk cost (unless we can work something out in a trade). Being on the hook for the entirety of his salary is the risk we took when we effectively traded a pick for cash.

I think we should let Hue make the call on the QBs and not create any controversy so Hue & Co don't get run out of town by the fans and media...and zombies.

I agree and have said so.

It might be a case of they have to roll with one of the two so if they can get any return on the other they want to at least try.

You have certainly "said so". You are yet to "Do so".

Who are you thinking?

Man, you have issues.

I have NOT said that Brock should be starting. I am saying that he didn't get many reps and conclusive evaluations are absurd.

Let me say this again.............unlike several posters like Swish, YTown, Mourg, etc.........I am not saying who should start. I never once said who should start. I am not saying I know more than Hue about the situation. I trust his judgement. I hope that is clear enough that even you can understand it.

Watching him for a year last year was enough for me.... I do think in a different system he might have been better.... I agree somewhat that I was surprised he didn't play more in the preseason... I think part of that was once they decided Kizer was the starter they wanted him to eps and didn't want Brock to get hurt so they could try and trade him....

For we're keeping Kessler or Brock I'd rather keep Brock as a back up.... Though with some of his blow ups with the coaching staff in Houston I'd be worried that he might be a distraction... Brock has the physical tools but for some reason he hasn't been able to pan out... He throws either high or low and frequently did not go through his progressions well in Houston...

Who said this (in this very thread):

"YTown, how many chances did Brock actually get? The qb competition was a farce."

Clue: It's the same guy that also said this (also in this very thread):

"I think Brock is the best qb on our roster at this particular point in time."


I'm not sure what other words a person could use to MORE SO create a QB controversy than those.

You try way too hard to pick fights w/me.

I just gave my stance. Go ahead and call me a liar. I don't care. And I won't make the mistake of replying to you again.

You try way to hard to tell everyone else what to post and not post...while you type about with some odd sense of impunity doing EXACTLY what you complain about in/from others.

You rarely just "give your stance". You rarely make a point without throwing in some BS about 'drafted players' or blasting someone else's opinion on the matter.

Stop getting all butt-hurt with the 'liar' crap. I've never called you a liar. How will I go on without your snarky replies to my posts?

Just a thought, but I'm guessing that they've seen enough of Brock from April until now to have a pretty good idea of who he is, and I'm guessing that Brock didn't do enough to force the issue (actually, I'm pretty sure he didn't).

I'd prefer he's here and starting because I don't think Kizer is ready, but I absolutely lay as much blame at Brock's feet as I would Hue's. You want the job?? Go take it. Don't give them an easy decision in taking the job away from you.

it says a lot that Brock couldn't keep his starting role, and even more that he lost the job to a rookie.

people keep thinking that Brock didn't have a fair shot, but forget that there was a reason the Texans GAVE us a 2nd rounder to get rid of him. We know who brock is, and he showed us exactly that in the preseason.

he's inconsistent at best, a bust at worst. I don't even see a need to keep him on the team, so i hope we can find someone desperate for a QB like the Jets, or even Jacksonville or Buffalo, that will want to take Brock off of our hands.

If you step up to the Plate ( such as Hogan ) it makes no difference if you are playing against the 1's/2's/3's .. You have no control over that .Hogan put Himself in the conversation by his ( also limited ) play.

Maybe Sashi should hold onto all four QBs until after week one. Maybe that trade for BO/CK happens then. Right now teams expect one of them to be cut, so why give up a pick?

j/c:


https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/903702605632864256

https://twitter.com/AkronJackson/status/903721360702177280

The Browns have released Brock Osweiler.

So Kizer, Kessler, and Hogan it is.

Interesting ...

I'd be open to trading him... roll with Kizer & Hogan.
If we need a 3rd string QB, we're hosed anyway, so why not?

j/c:

Can someone post that Brock Osweiler video again for old time's sake?