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Sure is looking that way huh...

I am guessing he is thinking of Hall and Leslie. At least I am ...

Kenny Bowe, has sucked in camp, sucked in preseason and sucked in week 1. I was in favor of him coming in but he is retired. He is no longer a guy that wants to make tough yards over the middle, he is looking for defenders in busted coverage with no one around him. He is done. He doesn't want to get hit. He doesn't want to play football anymore.

I don't know, I'm not going to say anyone is wrong if they think Britt is done, I just don't know yet. I did see him make a nice catch, and I saw him block nicely downfield a couple times. I'm thinking if he'd made that catch and not tried to turn upfield before he had the ball we wouldn't be discussing this. JMHO.

I am not a fan of Britt, but I agree that it's way too early to write him off.

The shame is that there is no backup plan, the same for our RBs and TEs...

That's what I don't like, both on O and D there are too many positions where there are no alternatives and the starters are very questionable.

Here here!

Year 2 of the rebuild. It's going to take time.

I disagree. We have Williams and Coates. Those guys need the time, and I think the coaches are waiting for one of those guys to bump Britt down the depth chart (I know I am).

The rebuild is dependent on the ability the team has to improve and learn.

If we don't consolidate some areas of the game soon, all will go down the drain.

You can't have a team without talented players in skill positions, and the FO should have signed some bona fide players at least at RB and TE.

With average/solid TE and RB play, we could survive a rebuild year.

How long will it take for the other teams to take out Colemon from the game, he is not Antonio Brown or a true #1 WR.

Neither was Browns when he was drafted by the Steelers at 195th overall in the 2010 draft. As a rookie, he caught 16 passes for 167 yards. He made a nice step forward in his 2nd season. Coleman could well do the same.

Britt started off with a clean slate for me.

He started off as a solid replacement for Pryor - he had a crappy situation at QB last year on a bad team and put up virtually the same numbers as Pryor. . . . I was hopefully.

He has not impressed in pre-season, he has not impressed in training, he dropped a pass, killed a drive when wide open in game 1.

Maybe I am over-reacting because who knows how much positive momentum our young team and 21 year old QB *could* have gained with a catch and a scoring drive at that point in the game. . . . But until Britt performs on Sunday's I have lost faith and feel very disappointed.

I generally view it the same as you, but I guess he has more rope with me, still. I don't worry about what he did or didn't do when the games didn't count. For me, his clean slate existed until just before kick-off this past Sunday.

His value has fallen with me because of Game 1, but he can just as easily rebound this coming week and earn it back. The book is not written on him because of one performance.

I am sure by the time the weekend comes around I will be a lot more positive.

I would have taken Hall / Leslie or even Riley over Britt half way through preseason !Who was the kid from Alabama with the nice hands ?

Richard Mullaney

Kenny Britt is what he is. A very soft wr who lacks that competitive fife to be elite
When the ball isn't going his way he gives 60 percent
When he's involved he gives 80 percent
Yeah he looks the part. Big whoop. He's on his 3rd team not because he's a game changer
Too many posters got blinded by his 1000 yd season. Yawn .
It's a,passing league. That's like a rb getting 1000 yds in 1979. Dime a dozen. Britt got paid a big chunk of money when he wasn't in demand typical Browns off season move

None of the guys we cut are on a 53 man roster. If Britt was a free agent he would surely be on a team.

Name one WR who hasn't dropped a pass trying to run with it before he caught it.

I'm not a huge Britt fan either, but I'm not crazy enough to cut him.

Tim Montgomery says Josh Gordon still in rehab but hopes to be reinstated soon: 'He's coming'

Updated on September 12, 2017 at 7:06 PM Posted on September 12, 2017 at 7:04 PM



By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Tim Montgomery, the former Olympic Gold medalist and world-record holder who's been working with Josh Gordon, said the Browns receiver is still in rehab but hopes to have his indefinite drug ban lifted soon after he gets out on Sept. 21st.

"He's coming,'' Montgomery told cleveland.com. "I think he's going to be there this season.''

Montgomery, who owns N.U.M.A. Speed in Gainesville, Fla., said Gordon checked himself back into rehab on June 21st in the hopes that a 90-day stint would be enough to convince the NFL to let him back in the league.

It's Gordon's fourth known trip to rehab, and he's set to be released in a little over a week.

"He's been clean, so we're hoping after 90 days he's reinstated and they put him back in the league, which it looks like they're going to do that,'' said Montgomery.

Gordon's bid for reinstatement was denied May 11, but the NFL told him he could re-apply again in the fall. The NFL declined comment Tuesday because of the confidential nature of the substance abuse program.

But NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will proceed with caution given that Gordon has been suspended for 43 of his last 48 games and has faltered each time he's been let back in, including last season on a conditional basis.



The Browns will also have to decide if they want him on the team.

"We care first and foremost in the league about the young man and that's where the focus will remain until we get to that point,'' Browns head of football operations Sashi Brown said last month.

But Montgomery is convinced that the NFL will find a truly rehabbed Gordon this time around.

"From what I've seen, he's in a different place than what he was six, seven months ago,'' said Montgomery. "He's come a long, long way from when we first started working together.''

Montgomery specializes in working with athletes who have troubled pasts like his own. He was stripped of his records in 2005 after he admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs, and served four and half years in prison for a check fraud scheme and for selling heroin.

Montgomery turned his life around and now runs N.U.M.A. Speed, which stands for "never underestimate my ability.''

Gordon moved to Gainesville to live with his business manager Michael Johnson, who knows Montgomery's partner from college. They paired Gordon with Montgomery, who went to work on Gordon's mind as well as his body.



"Josh feels like he's been let down by the people closest to him,'' said Montgomery. "Where Josh comes from, marijuana is considered like a cigarette. That's just his mentality. Josh has been tossed around. He goes to college and he gets kicked out. Then he goes to the NFL and he gets kicked out. Josh feels like he's been punished repeatedly for something everyone else is doing.''



Montgomery said Gordon has floundered without the structure of a team for the past several years. He hasn't played in a game since December of 2014, and succumbed to the pressure last season during the conditional reinstatement.

"Josh tried to beat the system,'' said Montgomery. "He tried to numb his brain from his past, from being disappointed. 'So if you're not going to let me smoke, I'll start drinking.' When Josh first came to me, he was dipping and he was smoking Black and Milds. He needed to do something because they had taken everything else away from him.''

Montgomery said he worked so hard with Gordon that "when he didn't get reinstated in May, I was devastated. But I told him when he came to me, 'I took you on for life. I ain't taking you on as a project.' It wasn't until he didn't make it and I was still there that he understood it.''



He said he believes Gordon was denied reinstatement in May because he missed his mandatory drug tests, which are violations of the policy.

"It's my understanding that Josh was clean, but that he wasn't answering his phone,'' said Montgomery. "Josh would go somewhere and he wouldn't tell anyone he was going out of town and he wouldn't pick his phone up. He didn't want to tell his people 'I can't come out there because I've got to stay here and answer the phone for drugs tests.'''

Montgomery said Gordon 'almost got to the end. It was March when he started messing up.'

He said he believes Gordon might have been afraid of his superstar ability.

"He sabotages his success,'' said Montgomery. "He gets in his own way. But I think it will be different this time.''

Montgomery said he saw Gordon two weeks ago when they let him out of rehab on a day pass.

"He's about 231 right now, and he's been working out there, so it won't take him long,'' said Montgomery. "He came in here (two weeks ago) he was out of shape and hadn't caught a football in two months, but that football didn't hit the ground.''

He said Gordon filmed an interview that day for Uninterrupted, Lebron James' website for athletes' videos and podcasts.

"He told them a lot of stuff that I didn't even know,'' said Montgomery. "He opened up really, really big. I think the mask is off. What I saw that day was very deep.''

He said Gordon has been shaped by a lot of things in his past and he "falls into a dark place. He hasn't had a strong backbone other than football.''

Montgomery said if Gordon played for him, "I would've said to him 'what do you need from me to help you succeed?' The only person who can help Josh Gordon -- is everyone. Not just Josh Gordon. Because if he could, he would. He cannot do it on his own.''

After working with Gordon for several months, Montgomery believes "Josh could've been an Olympic champion in the 400 meters. He could've play basketball or baseball. Whatever you put in front of him, Josh can do -- any sport.''

He said the Browns were understandably upset when Gordon blew his opportunity last fall, and seemingly slammed the door shut on a comeback.

"Josh was bitter at first but now he understands that if he wants to play football, he better play football wherever they let him play football or he's going to be playing flag football with me,'' said Montgomery. "In fact, he wanted to go down to the game in Tampa when they were there, but he couldn't get out of the (rehab facility) to go. If the Browns want him, he'll go back there and he'll play hard.''



Montgomery said Gordon has surrounded himself with people who support his sobriety, but knows it will be difficult once he's reinstated.

"That's the hard part, because he's got to go around his same demons,'' said Montgomery. "He'll be around the high rollers and the people who want to be with Josh Gordon, and that could be a problem. He loves the game of football, but he's so easily distracted just because he has no one to let down.''

Montgomery said he hopes a team will be willing to develop Gordon the person as much as the player.

"He wants to be wanted, but he also needs a team that says 'if we keep you happy mentally, we know you'll help this team,' he said. "They really need to care about his mental.''

He said he believes Gordon is ready to make a go of it this time.

"I'm just praying daily that he can wake up and walk out of there,'' said Montgomery.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/09/tim_montgomery_says_josh_gordo.html

I am no Britt fan, despite seeing him play at Rutgers when he was young...

However like some have said its too early to write him off...If I remember correctly Pryor had some pretty troubling drops last year as well...I am hoping Hue will ignite a fire or spark with Britt...I always saw Britt more of a #2 vs a #1 WR...But sadly with our WR core as bad as it is, he's actually one of our better options...

And like someone stated my main problem with Britt has always been his consistency and effort...those are two things you don't want in a veteran supposed #1 WR

Wide Receivers?? We have Wide Receivers??? Where?

Other than Coleman we have nada!

Simple, but to the point.


I think the idea of writing off Britt/cutting him is a just a stretch.

People can say what they want (like 1000 yard receivers are a dime a dozen.........)

But Britt (career-wise) has more receiving yards than our TE's, WR's, and RB's combined. He's only 28 (although, he has played awhile), and he does have talent.

He might not have the mentality to be elite, but he certainly has the ability of an NFL receiver.

And based on preseason/one game, I think it's a bit premature to want to cut a guy that we felt was worth 8 million dollars a year

I don't think he's checked out like Bowe, but he doesn't seem to be trying very hard.

Let's hope Hue's message was a good kick in the you know what.

We don't need him to be a stud, just be solid.

That's what I'm hoping.

While guys should just be professionals and be motivated because they're getting paid to do a job; it's not always that easy.


Maybe Hue was very tough on him to start appealing to his pride.



Cause we definitely could use Kenny Britt at his best. Because Britt at his best is far better than Rannell Hall or Jordan Leslie, or probably any of our receivers not named Coleman

Oh no!

j/c

Not to be the guy that keeps referencing what he heard on Cleveland sports talk radio Monday morning...BUT...Jim Donovan made a comment about Britt's effort and attitude in the pre-season and TC. It was not a very direct comment, but it CLEARLY pointed out that the attitude and effort during those times were not what one would expect from a big $$$ veteran player.

If you really enjoy reading my posts of what I heard on the radio on Monday morning...don't hold your breath for regular updates. I won't be back to a game for a few weeks.

Ah...man LOL.

I agree with Jimmy on his observations of Britt during TC, but I think that is what I come to expect out of Big $$$ FA these days, but the good ones know to turn it up come the start of the season.

I will reserve my conclusions of Britt until after the forth game of the season, because I think that by then we should know whether or not the fruit is rotten or not.

Britt has been a 1000 yard WR in one out of eight seasons he's played in the NFL. That's the exception, not the rule.

It is also the most recent sample, and done on a rather poor offense - so, it may also be a sign of growth.

Every year is a new situation and set of circumstances; no single statistic is a complete picture so you cannot draw absolutes from looking at only one thing.

Yeah that's what I see when it takes a WR eight years to finally have a 1000 yard season, growth. lol

Come on, man. A thousand yard season doesn't live in a bubble. You have to take into account the number of targets and the number of receptions, plus figure in how long those passes were. His 1000 yard season he had by far the most receptions (and probably by far the most targets too.)

j/c:

While I think it is way too early to give up on Britt and I think it's absurd to compare him to Bowe at this point, I would encourage people to do their research on Kenny Britt.

Dude has had a ton of issues. Not just a few. A ton! Legal issues. Performance issues. Character issues.

I think it is too early to say he is good or is bad for the Browns. However, I will keep in mind his 1,000 yard season last year and I will also keep in mind his many, many issues.

Good.

As I've said many, many times.........part of being a receiver in the nfl should actually require that "has drop issues" not be in the description of your performance.

Call me crazy, but I don't think catching the ball is something that can be coached, especially at the pro level.

You either can, or you struggle with it. If you struggle with it, well?

1 real game for the Browns. I get it. If the dropsies continue, not only "might" there be an issue, there IS an issue.

I get the tough catches in traffic - more leeway given there. I get that once in a while a pro w.r. wants to run before the......wait, no, I don't get that.

That's all fine and well, but have you ever seen a WR get better in seasons 9-11 or, unless they're some special athlete, or do they usually start regressing? We picked up a WR who has never really been special in his career, talking about his eighth season as some indicator.

I think trying to suggest that all of the teams he played for simply overlooking him on their roster by not giving him targets and he suddenly broke out in his eighth season is simply trying to find optimism in something that isn't there. But there's nothing wrong with that I suppose.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MossRa00.htm

Sure it had something to do with who was throwing to him .... but you asked the Q.

What are you talking about? He was 1200+ his first 6 seasons. It's not like he broke out late in his career.

Another one close to better or equal to his best year (2)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GinnTe00.htm

And another

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GallJo00.htm

He never had 23 TD's in a season until year 10. That's an improvement on any other year he had. Sure it's stretching things and I am not claiming otherwise. . . but then so is saying it's impossible for Britt to be good in year 9. If the dude has had as many issues as people are pointing to then with his schtick together maybe he will have another good year.

I'd be more than happy with 700+ yards out of Britt at this point.