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Brent Sobleski‏

With next year's rookie contract added, Cleveland will spend approx. $20 million for Texans 2nd-round pick. Equivalent of top-seven contract

https://twitter.com/brentsobleski/status/903723636380532737

Brilliant!

We'll probably trade it in the draft for a 2019 First Rounder.

This was a foregone conclusion once Osweiler sat out the third preseason game. I am surprised he was on the roster this long.

Cheap teams don't cut guys that cost $20 million guaranteed.

The money is meaningless except as far as the Cap is concerned as long as Haslam doesn't have a problem paying it.

It's an interesting, big number to look at, but it is also completely meaningless.

Tell that to Joe Haden.

This ownership is so cheap!

I wonder if they cut him the check right then for all 20 million ...

Imagine being on a 1099 and getting a check for 20 million ... that'd be soooo cool ... *L* ...

I think that he gets $14 million, and the rest of that is an estimate of what we will spent paying for the contract of next year's 2nd round pick's contract.

Yes. Osweiler didn't have any guaranteed money past this season.

https://overthecap.com/player/brock-osweiler/8



https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/903727162519412737

Lesson of the day: Don't mess with Peter King. The dude called it weeks ago.

Still, that Sashi Brown comment of "can't imagine Brock not on the roster" is a bit, um, inconsistent considering today's outcome.

What the!?,? So hogan and Kessler are better backups than Brock? What if other teams qb's go down with injuries this year? We could have had a tradable commodity, for the same price, and a better backup qb.

Someone please explain this to me

I know I bashed King for it.

Yesterday Sashi said he shouldn't have said that. LOL.

Osweiler and Greco make no sense to me at all.

I don't know how that affects all the money, but maybe Haslam is having money troubles.

Yes? Or maybe better teammates (speculation)?

It's pretty obvious that the team really didn't want Osweiler around for one reason or another. If I was paying a guy $16 million I'd do just about anything to justify him making the team.




If Osweiler was tradeable, we would have traded him.

I may have too. I know I commented on it, not sure how aggressive it was. Maybe Sashi's comment came before Kizer strung together a couple good games? I don't know.

What I do believe is (1) Osweiler wasn't a Hue move, it was FO move for the pick and (2) the FO said Hue will always be involved in the QB process. Maybe Hue went to bat for Kizer and the FO went back to it's original plan of trying to get rid of Brock the day they acquired him? Sashi didn't think that would be the case as things unfolded early....still a definitive comment like that is probably something left unsaid. Not good.

I still think Brock is better than Kessler "right now" and would rather have him. However, after 2017, Brock's contract is not longer guaranteed. So perhaps the thought process is let Kessler grow (crossing fingers) and we would be able to stash Hogan on the PS.

Full throttle w/ Kizer.

j/c:

Frankly, I am glad he is gone so I don't have to read all the stupid posts about him by the qb experts on this board.

The team would suck w/him or w/out him, so it's a relief he is gone.

Man, this FO! It feels different this time. These guys get it.

I think Hogan might be the #2 and Kessler might not be on the team (I think that is unlikely).

I also think there is a 0% chance we can sneak Hogan through waivers.



https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/903702605632864256

Benjamin Allbright has a lot of inside info on the Broncos (who need a backup).

My bad....I meant wouldn't be able to stash Hogan on the PS, so I agree with you. Also highlighted that Albright tweet in another thread. And I also agree, he get tons of info about Denver, as well as the entire NFL.

I don't cheer it. I would have rather Kessler been cut. I am just glad we kept Hogan. He might be better than Kizer.


I shouldn't say rather. I just get the decision, as you do too. You just can't have 16 mil a year on the bench.


Same with Joe. I loved the guy. I watched him as a kid with the Gators, then we took him and was thrilled. He became all Cleveland. He showed up at Indians and Cavs games. He showed up at golF tournaments, charity events....he was all-in Cleveland.


But....I am convinced he wasn't going to start for Williams. He got beat out. You can't keep a nickle or dime corner making 11 mil a year. I get it. So do you.


This reminds me of when Shottenheimer took over. We cut a lot of guys we thought would never be cut.


Sooner or later everybody is cut. Some are given the chance to retire or settle for less before being cut, but they are cut.

Lou Groza is a good Browns example. His last year or two, we carried 2 kickers. A nother kicker named Cocks as I recall. I don't remember if Blanton Collier or Nick Skorich was the HC at the time, but I am sure a conversation took place where the HC, point blank asked Lou to not let it be him to cut a legend.

"Lou, please don't make me the coach to cut you".

Some players are given that opportunity.

I have no problem w/us disagreeing, but I'll speak for myself. While I thought Joe was overrated on this board, I still thought he was our best corner. And while I wasn't going to question Hue, I still thought Brock gave us the best chance to win games.

The FO is falling out of favor w/me again. Not that they--or anyone--cares. Just voicing my opinion.

I don't get all the love for Hogan. Dude has the longest release while seemingly throwing side arm ( not really, it just looks that way) AND holds on to the ball too long.

If Hue wants to use him as the 3rd QB and just run QB options w/ him I'm good with that.

What if starting qb's get injured in the first few weeks?

I know his trade value is zero, today, that could change in the future. This has to be a locker room culture move.

I don't get all the love for Hogan either.

If this guy is our backup I would venture to guess the FO is trying to tank again.

He's played well in preseason (against fourth stringers). That is usually enough to get people excited.

He's played better than Kessler for sure. And probably Kizer, too.

There are starting QBs injured right now (Luck) and in the past (Cutler) and nobody wanted him.

Luck is going to be out at least a couple weeks and the Colts are going with Stephen Morris or Scott Tolzien (at this point).

Agreed. Although I just have to say, there is so much we don't know that goes on during practice and meetings.

I'm guessing that either the Browns FO or Hue (or both) think that Kessler can be a legit/long-term backup QB. And there is clearly a place/need for that in the NFL. I'm just not sure if he'll be that. Perhaps it played into the decision. That and Brock surely wouldn't be here in 2018.

Very true.

Hogan had one pass that most on this board could have made, with the TD to Telfer ..... but he also had quite a few other really nice passes that showed both good accuracy and placement. It was against backups, but placement and accuracy are great traits to have, no matter who you played against.

So, the Miami report was a lie?

Do you know who broke that story?

I can't get excited about a preseason warrior.

He doesn't pass the eye test to me. Not that my eye test means much to anyone other than me.

I would say Kessler is already a pretty good backup (when considering many of the other backups in the league). He's not going to win any games by himself, but he'll take care of the ball, run the entire playbook, and his teammates love him.

IMO, the guy has been in the league 6 years and has played many preseason games. He has started on two different teams, him needing time to impress is not a good argument. Veterans with his experience should be able to handle a preseason game. He looked no different to me than just another young inexperienced rookie. At this point in his career, I doubt extra time in a preseason game, is going to lift his level of play.

I agree with you, that he is not as bad as people are saying. He's won games. But I really expected him to look polished as a veteran QB. IMO, he did not.

Kizer is still a question. But he is showing some promise, and was effective in his time on the field. I think his contract, and the fact that he was not impressive, from what most saw. What he was doing in practice means a lot. I don't have the luxury of knowing that.

I wanted BO to be the starter anyway, just to give Kizer more time. But, the choice was made, it I think they need to go all in with him. Sink or swim. Next year's draft has QBs, and the team has picks and money.

Maybe, and I would have felt better about his backup role last year. But man, I thought he has looked pretty bad this preseason.

I would guess both of these are a stretch.

Can't run the playbook when you are afraid to throw.

I imagine his teammates get pretty frustrated with that.

He definitely has some mechanical issues, but his placement and accuracy really stood out to me.

I do worry about our WR corps, and their inability to get open. (for the most part, against guys who will play in the NFL this year) I think that we will bring in 1 or 2 WRs cut by other teams. I think that Coleman, Britt, and Louis are safe, and Hall or Leslie might be next on the list. Payton, Higgins, and pretty much everyone else struggled to get open against single cover. Very disappointing.

This will be an interesting position to watch over the next couple of days.

j/c:

I will ask the entire board since I didn't get an answer to the question the first time.

After reading something about how Cleveland tried to trade Brock as soon as they got him and have continued to do so but there were no takers......I have to ask:

Is the report about Miami inquiring about trading for him and us declining a lie?

If so, who is/are the reporter[s] that wrote about it?

Thanks.