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Jackson insists Browns focused on winning, not developingAP Published 4:36 p.m. ET Sept. 4, 2017 | Updated 6:59 p.m. ET Sept. 4, 2017 BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Browns coach Hue Jackson has four quarterbacks, including a rookie starter, and not one has an NFL win on his resume. He's got only four cornerbacks, a new wide receiver with blazing speed but brittle hands, and a locker room still reeling after two popular players got cut last week. On top of that, the rival Pittsburgh Steelers are coming to town for the opener. Problems, for sure. But after enduring a 1-15 first season in Cleveland, Jackson isn't flustered or fearful. Just focused. "This is where we are," he said Monday, following another tumultuous week for the Browns. "This is the situation we are in, and I think we are moving forward. I think things have gotten better, I really do." Jackson understands the outside perception of his team isn't positive. After all, last week alone the Browns jettisoned two first-round draft picks in cornerback Joe Haden and offensive lineman Cam Erving, released veteran guard John Greco, kicker Cody Parkey and acquired fleet-footed but fumble-fingers wide receiver Sammie Coates from the Steelers. Also, the team threw away quarterback Brock Osweiler, who will still be paid the majority of his $16 million contract despite re-signing with Denver. It was the latest tumult for a Browns organization going through the pains of a stripped-to-the-studs rebuilding project that has no completion date in sight. Jackson knows there are those doubting the team's plan, wondering why the Browns would so easily part with Haden, a two-time Pro Bowler who was hurt most of last season. Or why the team would only carry four cornerbacks. Or why Cleveland would sign QB Josh Woodrum, who has already been with the Ravens, Bills, Giants, Colts and Bears after going undrafted in 2016. The plethora of moves gives the appearance that Cleveland's front office is more focused on developing than winning. Jackson disagrees. "Honestly, this is always about winning," he said. "I don't know any other way to do it. I think our players see it that way, too. We come out here every day and go into these meetings with one thing in mind: let's win and let's find a way to win. That is not going to change. I understand where you are coming from and what it looks like, but I think every day everything we do is built toward winning. There is no other way you can do this." And while Jackson may have healthy disagreements with vice president of football operations Sashi Brown on some things, he doesn't doubt the team's top decision maker and his staff isn't trying to win. "I don't think that they have any other agenda," Jackson said. "I know sometimes when you look at transactions and all those things, but I think there is a plan and a purpose to what we are doing and I think we are getting there."
The Browns went 4-0 in the exhibition season, a perfect run that prompted a local clothing company to make "Undefeated Preseason Champs" T-shirts. But following last week's win at Chicago, Jackson said he felt "something special" was building with his team. He got more specific about his feelings, saying the Browns have a better, stronger roster with "a defense that has a chance to be really good." Also, Jackson singled out "promising" quarterback DeShone Kizer, who will make his first start Sunday against Cleveland's fiercest rival. "If we can keep growing him and getting better and keep surrounding him with more tools and more guys that will give him opportunities, I think that is what it is all about," Jackson said. "I think that is how you start to build a team. I have watched what we have done in free agency with the offensive line and defensive line. Those things are positives for our football team." NOTES: OG Joel Bitonio (knee) said he will practice this week and expects to play in the opener. Bitonio was stung by Greco's release. "He was kind of a mentor to me and a good friend," Bitonio said. "Anytime you see a guy like that leave, it was tough for me. That was one of the tougher cuts, but you understand it is a business." ... Jackson said having four QBs could be "temporary." He hasn't decided yet if Cody Kessler or Kevin Hogan will back up Kizer. ... The Browns also placed rookie OL Rod Johnson (knee) on injured reserve. The fifth-round pick got hurt in Thursday's exhibition at Chicago. ... Cleveland claimed rookie OL Zach Banner off waivers from Indianapolis. The 6-8, 360-pound Banner was a fourth-round pick after starting 38 games at Southern Cal. ... LB B.J. Bello and OL Travis Averill were signed to the practice squad and DB Ed Reynolds II was released from injured reserve. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...ping/105273080/ Oh Hue, you poor sap. It will be you who is sacrificed if we continue to lose a ton of games.
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Has Bittonio ever played a healthy game where he wasn't at least "questionable" for some reaon?
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Has Bittonio ever played a healthy game where he wasn't at least "questionable" for some reaon? he does seem to always have something. let's just hope he stays questionable and not out haha
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Hue is not going to survive this season. I'm not saying he's going to be fired. Just that if he really hates losing as much as he seems to, this season is going to devastate him.
I made this bold prediction in another thread but I'll add it here as well. I can see Hue voluntarily leaving after this season. Just because he can't take it anymore.
This is a 3 win team at best. It's going to be a long year. The absolute best thing that can come from this season is Kizer shows hes the real deal. If not, theres really no light at the end of the tunnel. If he does, that should prime the Browns to make a big jump in year 3.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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unfortunately I tend to side with those who say 2-3 wins as opposed to 6-7 wins. I just don't think we have the offensive talent. The defense will be improved, but that only gets you so far.
I remember last year Hue saying something like "this won't happen again ... if you're going to beat us, do it this year. We're going to win after this year." And I remember kind of rolling my eyes. I admire his confidence and will to win, but also know the dearth of talent we have.
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If Hue can survive 1-15, come back with the positive narrative over and over- he'll survive easily this year. We ARE going to win more and JMHO, Mr. Haslam has bought in to this smart FO AND coaching staff thru 18 or 19....then he will say show me the results....and we try again.....I'm betting on our Browns!!!!
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Hue is not going to survive this season. I'm not saying he's going to be fired. Just that if he really hates losing as much as he seems to, this season is going to devastate him.
I made this bold prediction in another thread but I'll add it here as well. I can see Hue voluntarily leaving after this season. Just because he can't take it anymore.
This is a 3 win team at best. It's going to be a long year. The absolute best thing that can come from this season is Kizer shows hes the real deal. If not, theres really no light at the end of the tunnel. If he does, that should prime the Browns to make a big jump in year 3. I don't see Hue as a quitter, plus, how is he going to improve on his one of the all time worst winning percentages if he quits? I don't see him wanting to be seen as a quitter or a coach who didn't win games. Note....I understand why he didn't win last season, but somewhere down the road all people are going to see is how many he won and how many games were lost. People won't know the reason why. They will simply think he was a bad coach.
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I think Hue will wait till next season to see if they finally get him some offensive weapons. Either way it's better for Hue if he gets fired because then he still gets paid. No way Hue gives up million of dollars to quit.
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I don't see him getting fired unless he does some really stupid things.
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I don't see him getting fired unless he does some really stupid things. Like what?
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Hue will be here for at least this season and next. I honestly think this FO will get a full 5 years from the Haslams before any major shake ups. Jimmy and more importantly Dee went out and did their own research, then made the moves to put this team in place going against the 'normal' and ignoring the 'football guys' other owners and advisors pushed them toward hiring.
They own this, they see some progress, they helped architect this plan, and they put their reps as owners on the line here. I see them, the FO and Hue staying the course.
And BTW, I personally think Sashi Brown has been just short of brilliant in his role here. The accumulation of draft picks, the hard decisions, and the tough cuts have mostly been on him and right now we are a young significantly more talented team. Period.
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It's the obligatory statement before another tough year.
Similar statements were offered last year.
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Finally - Coach of the year honors...hey, why not! jmho
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If Hue doesn't reach 8-8 by year 3 I think he is gone . The Ravens are in decline and Rothlisberger Will probally hang it up at the end of 2017. No excuses why this franchise can't reach .500 in 2018. Amazing 2 times since 1999 this franchise has only been over .500 twice
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I don't see him getting fired unless he does some really stupid things. Like what? Oh...I don't know....maybe show up to coach a 4pm game, but we played at1PM. Send out the punt team on 3rd and 3. I suppose to be more realistic, grossly botch the game management at the end of a game, like letting the clock run out while in scoring position and not calling a time out. In other words, I don't think he is getting fired unless he does something really stupid.
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I think Hue is safe regardless of what happens this year. Next year? Maybe a different story. If we go like 3-13 the next two years he might be gone
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Some time's " Perception " becomes all important .. Part of the fan base is buying into the loose now to win later idea and they don't be liking it .
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Hue is not going to survive this season. I'm not saying he's going to be fired. Just that if he really hates losing as much as he seems to, this season is going to devastate him.
I made this bold prediction in another thread but I'll add it here as well. I can see Hue voluntarily leaving after this season. Just because he can't take it anymore.
This is a 3 win team at best. It's going to be a long year. The absolute best thing that can come from this season is Kizer shows hes the real deal. If not, theres really no light at the end of the tunnel. If he does, that should prime the Browns to make a big jump in year 3. If he can get 4 or more wins, he'll be fine. He'll get that all important 3rd year and then it's takeoff time. JMO, but I think I'm correct.
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Have to say I agree with most of what you stated.
However, in the end this is a win lose business.
The Browns are a better team but hey, 1-15 is not that hard to beat.
This season will be very telling. Decisions made will come home to roost.
Honestly I am unsure how this season will turn out. I expect the defense to be much improved however, there are still question marks at a few positions.
Offensively, it always comes back to the quarterback. It has been a long time since we had the starter play the whole season. Points may be hard to come by.
I will say I am looking forward to the season which as not been the case in recent years. Kizer is a real quarterback prospect. Unlike the parade of bums that have played the position in recent history.
I don't see Hue leaving. The team is poised to make a leap forward next year. If Kizer proves himself they have money for FA and a bunch of high draft picks that if spent wisely can jump start this team next year.
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They'll be better but only manage about 10 points a game. That's about 4-7 less than they'll give up. Still will be a long season.
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If we get zero wins and he's fired, said firing was a mistake. Who would replace him? Is Sashi better at finding coaches than he is wide receivers?
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Hue Jackson strikes me as a solid person and a darn good coach, not a quitter. I think he will see what he has started through. The FO and JH should give the coaches and what we have started 5 years especially due to the complete teardown that we've had. IMO we may only win 4 or 5 games but we should see some progress. Let's hope so.
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I don't see him getting fired unless he does some really stupid things. Like what? Oh...I don't know....maybe show up to coach a 4pm game, but we played at1PM. Send out the punt team on 3rd and 3. I suppose to be more realistic, grossly botch the game management at the end of a game, like letting the clock run out while in scoring position and not calling a time out. In other words, I don't think he is getting fired unless he does something really stupid. I read Ver's response this morning and almost posted the dolphin scenario ... witch is basically your scenario #3 ...... not running a play with a TO in your pocket was BEYOND MORONIC ... HORRIBLE is a kind description of that decision ... I have no clue how he skated on that and still does ... its like it never happend ... Hue may be the worst end of half and end of game time managers I've ever seen ... HE'S HORIBLE at that ... Its mind boggling to me how Hue got very very little flak after the game and its like it never happend now ...
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His first one? Cannot be a flock of them.
I would feel better having a Greco to fall back on. Some of these moves have been like "Well, in a perfect world . . . ." Fresh out. Glad to hear he is stepping in.
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Seems to be making the obligatory noise over his younguns. I hope Hue is right. This seems like wishful thinking to me, and that thinking is out loud.
He is finding a defense, finding some O Line, hoping his PK clicks, and so forth. The hard reality sets in soon, and we will be measured. I hope this D can keep things close. We play for it in the fourth quarter.
Seeing progress. Hope we stay healthy so it continues. WE are truly thin in spots.
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I agree. He doesn't seem to be good at end game coaching.
But, it's a new season.
Hue get's to at least the bye of next season.
If we win 3-4 this year and he is sitting at 2-5 going in to the bye, he's gone, as he should.
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are we really saying to get rid of Hue after only two years? that is just crazy.
I would give 4 to 5 years with talent...not 2 years in the first few steps of a complete tear down and rebuild....just doesn't seem fair to me.
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I agree. He doesn't seem to be good at end game coaching.
But, it's a new season.
Hue get's to at least the bye of next season.
If we win 3-4 this year and he is sitting at 2-5 going in to the bye, he's gone, as he should. Like I said awhile ago........I knew you and Diam would be leading this dumb-ass crusade. It is amazing at how Hue went from a great OC to a horrible one after leaving the Bengals. You guys make me laugh.
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I agree. He doesn't seem to be good at end game coaching.
But, it's a new season.
Hue get's to at least the bye of next season.
If we win 3-4 this year and he is sitting at 2-5 going in to the bye, he's gone, as he should. Like I said awhile ago........I knew you and Diam would be leading this dumb-ass crusade. It is amazing at how Hue went from a great OC to a horrible one after leaving the Bengals. You guys make me laugh. Me as well. Hue is not going anywhere and is the most competent coach we have had since this all restarted. We are making movement. In the right direction. The ride will be bumpy, but just sit back and observe. I feel good about our future for the first time since 1999.
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Hopefully, he doesn't call a fake punt and not even bother to disguise it. Like at Philly.
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I don't see him getting fired unless he does some really stupid things. Like what? Oh...I don't know....maybe show up to coach a 4pm game, but we played at1PM. Send out the punt team on 3rd and 3. I suppose to be more realistic, grossly botch the game management at the end of a game, like letting the clock run out while in scoring position and not calling a time out. In other words, I don't think he is getting fired unless he does something really stupid. I read Ver's response this morning and almost posted the dolphin scenario ... witch is basically your scenario #3 ...... not running a play with a TO in your pocket was BEYOND MORONIC ... HORRIBLE is a kind description of that decision ... I have no clue how he skated on that and still does ... its like it never happend ... Hue may be the worst end of half and end of game time managers I've ever seen ... HE'S HORIBLE at that ... Its mind boggling to me how Hue got very very little flak after the game and its like it never happend now ... All coaches mess up at times. Even the great Belichick has made crazy moves. Here is the bottom line. Hue is playing w/less talent and experience than other teams. To even think about firing him is moronic. Of course, I'm sure there will be a movement to do just that. Just like there always is when people delude themselves w/how great the FO is doing.
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I don't see him getting fired unless he does some really stupid things. Like what? Oh...I don't know....maybe show up to coach a 4pm game, but we played at1PM. Send out the punt team on 3rd and 3. I suppose to be more realistic, grossly botch the game management at the end of a game, like letting the clock run out while in scoring position and not calling a time out. In other words, I don't think he is getting fired unless he does something really stupid. I read Ver's response this morning and almost posted the dolphin scenario ... witch is basically your scenario #3 ...... not running a play with a TO in your pocket was BEYOND MORONIC ... HORRIBLE is a kind description of that decision ... I have no clue how he skated on that and still does ... its like it never happend ... Hue may be the worst end of half and end of game time managers I've ever seen ... HE'S HORIBLE at that ... Its mind boggling to me how Hue got very very little flak after the game and its like it never happend now ... All coaches mess up at times. Even the great Belichick has made crazy moves. Here is the bottom line. Hue is playing w/less talent and experience than other teams. To even think about firing him is moronic. Of course, I'm sure there will be a movement to do just that. Just like there always is when people delude themselves w/how great the FO is doing. Agree. Any move made now (before or after this season) to fire Hue or any of the Browns FO would be a colossal mistake. The choice was made to start over as a franchise. Once that was made and agreed upon there needed to be a 3 year plan in place to show marked improvement. A 5 year plan to become a playoff contender.
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Oh Hue, you poor sap. It will be you who is sacrificed if we continue to lose a ton of games I was thinking today, I hope it was Hue that wanted Coates and Williams. The WRs are horrible, and he knows his neck is on the line. I could see him going into the meeting and saying, get me some recievers if you want any wins. I also don't think he will be judged by this year, next year will be a different story. If we have a 3 win season, it will be the fans calling for his head. I don't think the FO would find another coach willing to go along with their plan. I'm not against what they are doing, but it really is starting to confuse me a bit.
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I'm surprised at guys who say this season is going to devastate hue.... I think we win a couple of games and he gets excited about our progress... I feel like we could win 6 games or so this season and then have a banner year next year... Maybe I'm wrong... Just feel good things a coming for Cleveland
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I agree. He doesn't seem to be good at end game coaching.
But, it's a new season.
Hue get's to at least the bye of next season.
If we win 3-4 this year and he is sitting at 2-5 going in to the bye, he's gone, as he should. Like I said awhile ago........I knew you and Diam would be leading this dumb-ass crusade. It is amazing at how Hue went from a great OC to a horrible one after leaving the Bengals. You guys make me laugh. *LOL* ... the TELL THE TRUTH CRUSADE maybe ... I don't see any way he gets fired this year .. NONE ... NOR SHOULD HE .... I've said it and said why 100 times .. then i POINT OUT A FACT about his HORRIBLE HORRIBLE end of half and game clock mgmt. and I'm leading the getting him fired crusade ...  ... U want to pretend Miami didn't happen ... or the end of the first half against Cinci ... There was one other real head scratcher ... can't remember who it was against though ... Negative truth = leading the get hue fired crusade ... GOT IT ... 
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Hopefully, he doesn't call a fake punt and not even bother to disguise it. Like at Philly. Or run a pure QB option with a qb who didn't start the game because of a bum shoulder and the starter was all ready knocked out ... BRILLIANT!!!!
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Me as well. Hue is not going anywhere...
Agreed. Regardless of record (I don't think 1 or 2 wins are realistic) I do not believe there is a chance Hue gets fired. Nor do I think Sashi is in danger of losing his job for that matter. And they shouldn't be. The owner is on board with plan. No reasonable person can hold Hue to more than a 3-4 win season based on the roster's youth and inexperience. I expect Haslam to stand pat with this entire regime for the foreseeable future. I believe it is more likely that at some point next season FO and coaching staff are given extensions as opposed to being on the hot seat.
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Someone liked that crap.
I said that all coaches make mistakes, including Belichick. I am not denying he makes mistakes.
However, you point it out to address what might cause him to be fired. What are we supposed to think you meant?
Then, peenie comes along and says something brilliant that he should be fired if we're 2 and 5 at the bye.
Y'all never learn.
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Someone liked that crap.
I said that all coaches make mistakes, including Belichick. I am not denying he makes mistakes.
However, you point it out to address what might cause him to be fired. What are we supposed to think you meant?
Then, peenie comes along and says something brilliant that he should be fired if we're 2 and 5 at the bye.
Y'all never learn. I liked it. I've liked a few of your posts before as well. It echoes my view. I like Hue as a coach and don't think he is going to get fired this year. That being said, I reserve the right to point out some bone-headed coaching moves when I see them. I reserve the right to point out boneheaded moves by the front office as well. They aren't going to get fired this year either, nor do I want them to.
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