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You're getting desperate for things to argue when you're bringing up Cam lol.

Nice deflection, bro.

Whatever............

I wasn't trying to defect anything

Nope. I won't. But I'm not the one complaining he's not the team because a "lawyer" traded him.

I don't even think I said he was very good. I think I said he had both good and bad. But was more complimentary than most, I admit.

Let's get real here.

I made a post about R. Johnson getting hurt and how our depth is poor on the OL. You went off and I'm sure WSU did as well.

Name calling, insults, etc.

I have no problem if people disagree w/me.........just like Purp, YTown, and Wyo did. It's called debate. No one insulted one another. It's just an exchange of ideas.

Posters like you ruin this board w/your constant personal vendettas. Stop! Please!

I would put you on ignore like I did WSU, but you do break news and post some good articles.

I am asking you to keep our conversations to football and we both refrain from personal attacks. Is that okay? Or not?

Fixed it for you.

As far as the OL, I think the OL will be fine and people are making mountains out of mole hills. We won't have All-Pro backups but Reiter, Martin, and Drango are passable.

Hind sight is 20/20.

Erving had plenty of opportunity, as you pointed out, about him being above Sterup on the depth chart. Problem is...is that he did not prove his worth to the coaching staff, so he was traded.

I' m not going to say that I am secure in my feelings with Sterup as our backup OT, but no less than if Erving where filling that roster slot. Jmo

Bingo. If either have/had to play a significant amount, we are/were screwed.

Cam was so bad last year that I compared him Oniel Cousins...

I did NOT insult anyone. I was talking football. I gave my opinions on the situation. That's it!!!!

I did not call anyone a name. I didn't make fun of anyone. I gave my thoughts!

I think that you blame me because my opinions don't align w/yours while the opinions of those who start the fights do align w/yours.

That is a common practice on here.

It's beyond old!

No disrespect, but you were one of the guys who I argued w/the most about Cam.

Guys, I don't like taking time to do this...........but if I have to, I will bring up the posts from last year about Cam.

lol none taken brother...I remember I hated him at center and thought he did at bit better at RT...but as a center I called him another Oniel Cousins...

if I praised him I must have had one or two too many beers that night lol...it's possible, but I don't remember ever really endorsing him.

Dude, we went back and forth for hours..........the thread was locked and I got suspended. It was the same thread in which I posted the Bentley article and tab called me an evil person.

Lol man I remember when you got suspended, didn't remember why. Yea I must've been a little tipsy lol

It's all good, my man.

But, I'm still worried about what we're going to do if someone on the OL gets hurt, especially at tackle.

I don't blame you for your opinion, I "blame" you for making everything into a personal vendetta. Your "you are ignoring this user" posts aren't talking football. Your "why is every body picking on me, I was talking football" posts are in fact not talking about football. Taking a page out of mac's book and constantly insisting on referring to Sashi as "the lawyer" isn't really talking about football. Posting about "dumb ass moves" that some people if not agree with can at least understand is insulting to them and the EVP. You take both sides of an argument and think that somehow makes you always right (i.e, Cam Erving is terrible/Why did we trade Erving?)

I posted one line that didn't even blame you, but made it a group effort and then got back to football, and you go off on a non-football, chest-beating soliloquy (monologue or diatribe probably would have been better word choices). Stick to football and there won't be anything for me to call you on.

Cam Erving had too many awful plays, and he couldn't seem to get rid of them. We got rid of him and got a 5th rounder in return. Now we don't have to worry as much about him getting QBs killed while we're distracted by his positive attributes. I'm not sure why you are talking about tackle depth here, as you've always referred to Erving as not a tackle as far as I can remember.

OL depth is pretty sparse in the NFL. There's all the talk of college not getting OL ready anymore. This isn't Madden where you can create players and add them to your team. When teams are justifiably getting rid of recent high draft pick o lineman, what do you want them to do? We could replace our developmental guys with someone elses, but at least we know what we have in ours and how they fit. That being said, we've definitely had worse OL depth on the Browns.

I just deleted it all.

Have a good life. I'm done w/you.

Lol. The last thing the Browns will be doing is looking up Cam's current employer.

I have a feeling that the Cam's current employer will have a far better record than the Browns will have. But, that's okay............our lawyer is doing it the right way.

Yea idk I'm a tad miffed about Greco. He was good for depth if anything

Most are sure that Cam's current employer will have a better record, that's really putting yourself out there oh contrarian one... the question is that is there a marginal benefit at roster spot 47 to 53 to make a difference.

Do yourself a favor, figure out the percentage of NFL exec's with JD's. (that would be lawyer to most)

jc, how is it any sort of argument about getting rid of Cam? If anything we are better without him from everything he has showed in actual games. This board cracks me up sometimes

Because a lawyer did it. That's all.

Erving was very soft as a player
He simply doesn't have the tenacity to cut it as a NFL lineman
A lineman has to have violent hands and bulldozer mentality
He had neither
A change of scenary wont help him
He will be out of the league in 2 years

I agree and he was getting handled by second teasers at times. To his defense, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not 100% and add in age, final year of contract, etc. this was a logical move. I did not focus on his play in the other three games where it makes more sense since he's put up against first-teamers. Maybe I'll go back and look at those games too.

i agree ... i remember seeing him the first few times in camp and thinking he was so SOFT and WEAK. just got manhandled and never really got better

j/c

I don't care if the guy that traded Erving was a welder. He still got it right.

Not only 'right', but some sort of a magician as well. We should all root for Erving to do well...at least well-enough so as to meet whatever 'conditions' are part of the 5th Rd pick. That's really all that matters now.

Pretty sure the only conditions were pass the physical.

The problem isn't that Sashi is a lawyer -- Steve Young is a lawyer. The problem is that we have a Harvard guy calling the shots. He's not even calling them, they're making these as a group. These Harvard guys have turned a traditional role into the Supreme Court. Sad.

Excellent. I've not read the conditions elsewhere. Good for us.

It's like being caught in a time warp.

No matter how many times the situation has played out, it never changes. The participants are almost always the same.

Whether the questioning of some of the moves by Policy, Butch, Savage, H and H, Farmer, etc the bashing never changes. Question a move or moves and one is a hater, whiner, hypocrite, crybaby, dumb, clueless, contrarian, agenda driven, etc, etc, etc.

Then reality hits.

And then it starts all over again.

It used to be fun. Now, it's just old.

j/c



Yet another GREAT football post that has nothing to do with the thread title.

Yet every word of it is true.

As is very word WSU said ... so whats your point? .. *shrugs* ....

One of them runs around acting like a ... well i can't say .... one of them runs around and every second or third post is calling other posters out for not sticking to football ... yet lately 2 out of every 3 of his posts have ZERO TO DO WITH FOOTBALL ... its a real shame .. hes one of the very few left that knows football as in depth as he does .. and hes becoming unreadable cause hes mad at the FO and acting like a .... once again .. i can't say ....

If u can't see that or don't understand the difference ... may god help U ...

TABBER

Don't let them suck u in .. DON'T RESPOND ... look at me .. look at all the BS I've let side .. ITS NOT WORTH IT ...

LET IT GO ... PLEASE ...

I'm not letting you suck me in.


I think our OL depth has taken a major step back and that it will almost certainly become an issue during the course of the year.

It's not depth if they stink.

Who is better?