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Gregg most likely lost any chance he had at an HC job with Bountygate.

That's not funny... :-p

It kinda is.

Success trumps indescresion and he's paid his dues. Someone will want him. IMO Whether he goes or not remains to be seen.

Fire Sashi! Hire Trump! We will build a wall and we will make Baltimore pay for it!

I have a feeling this group of coaches and FO people are going to be together for a long time.

Jesus I hope so

+1, especially if Kizer and other draft picks pan out....bright future MAYBE....GO Browns!!!!

This is just crazy enough that it just might work!

I mentioned during the preseason that there just might be rumblings about the difference in the success of the defensive unit compared to the O ..

I bet... most if not all the staff is back again next year. I don't really buy into the story, but, I'm not blind enough to write it off completely.

Agreed.

The Bengals Cut Offensive Coordinator Ken Zampese, and promoted (someone) Lavell from Qb coach to Offensive coordinator.
After they didn't score any TD's in two games, 0, and apparently 9 points.

Given that, I think the probably real reason their offense is awful is that the Browns now have Zeitler, and they also no longer have Whitworth on their offensive line;

Should the Browns seek out and bring in Ken Zampese, on any level, if for nothing else, that the Browns play the Bengals in 2 weeks, twice a year, and he'd have insight on their plans.

Maybe, a "senior offensive assistant of player development" or something, which would mean whatever you want it to mean.

I don't understand how to post a link. It's been reported widely.

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The front office is 1 18 since the Harvard Boys took over
Their is no progress at all.
1 18.
This team rivals the Saints and Bucs of the 70s.

Bengals and Jets, they must get their act together.

When they took over they knew and said in public it was going to be tough. They laid everything out there for everybody to see. If you were to blind and stupid to see that then Opps to bad.

you can say that until blue in the face. 1 win 18 loss say it all.

Says the Homer who tnought Farmer was gonna turn the franchise around

A lot of people are hopeful, so what if GM thought Farmer was gonna turn things around?

Farmer has nothing to do with this...

We all figured it would be painful for a couple years...

How long do we trust a front office that seems to struggle through the draft each year? The 2016 Draft we so far have to show for it is Schobert and maybe Kindred. Ogbah has taken a step back WR Coleman is always injured. Nasib was a reach and maybe drafted too high and lineman Coleman is still a question mark. This year's draft has many question marks too. We have added how many new players and none can play right now?
The biggest question is do we let Shashi waste the 2018 draft with two first round and three second round picks?

What choice do "we" have?

I think the draft picks have been fine.

It's them constantly getting rid of veteran leadership that's the problem.

We have a 2nd year SS and a rookie FS starting. We did have a solid CB in Haden, but got rid of him for taylor, who is bad, plus a second year CB in BBC. When did sign Calvin Pryor, who was ok but a team cancer, but a vet nonetheless. Got rid of him, which made that signing seem stupid.

We got two 2nd year DE's and a rookie DT starting.

The only unit on defense we have quality experience at is the LB core. Which is good.

Don't get me started on the WR group. We have 3 second year WRs, two who are trash and one who could be good but get freak hand injuries.

We have inexperienced TE's, a rookie QB, and an OL that looks suspect.

We are lacking in talent and experience as a whole.

So I guess my point is this: with all this inexperience, combine with the FO seemingly wanting to purge older vets constantly, who are these players suppose to learn from?

Isn't that really important? Veteran leadership? That's just as important, if not MORE important, than stock piling draft picks and constantly having the most rookies and 2nd year players with serious playing time.

The coaches can only do so much. At some point the FO has got to understand that we need players that actually know what they're doing, or at least can bring these younger guys along.

So I dunno bro. I actually trust the FO when it comes to nailing these picks. I just don't trust them when it comes to off-season acquisitions.

Give the FO and coaching staff a full 4 years together.

If nothing else, it will lend credence to the notion that any prospective HC and/or FO will be given adequate time to prove themselves and may attract a more competent hire (assuming this regime fails).

Intelligent take, milk.

We are 0-3 and that sucks, but we are very early in the rebuild so people need to be patient for at least one more season.
It's pathetic that we have so many posters calling for - or strongly hinting at - firing people.
We have to suck it up, be willing take our lumps and let things play out.

Pryor was traded for, not signed. And I don't believe we failed by any means with this trade. Davis was not going to be here, so they took a chance on pryor. He didn't work out, no biggie.

Who was the OLineman that the patriots traded for from the cardinals but soon after was released...? We signed him shortly there after. Are the patriots failures because he didn't work out for them?

And I'm just commenting here not pointing fingers, but just because one player doesn't work out doesn't mean they are failures. It seems like every one thinks the patriots hit on every player they draft and sign. They don't. It's been two years and I hear how the front office sucks at drafting players. I have to laugh here, but how does anyone know?? It's only been two years! Not even.


I get tired of the "we lack talent" cries. We aren't expecting to win a super bowl, but we are talented enough to win games, just not consistently. I think for the first time since mangini there is an actual plan in place. These guys thought this thru and are methodically fulfilling their plan. It's not going to happen over night. Am I frustrated by the losing? We all are.

I think the players they have drafted thus far have been fine. I'm not ready to give up on anyone just yet. Has the front office been perfect? No. None are. I think they have made some good calls on players including terrelle Pryor and Joe Haden. Apparently no one wanted to pay haden because they couldn't trade him for anything. This front office isn't afraid to make the unpopular decisions in Cleveland and that says these guys are first and foremost concerned about building a winning franchise. These guys need to be here for the long haul.

Great point.... Winning franchises don't happen overnight. We are rebuilding from the ground up (complete demo job). It will take time for players to develop. The average player on this team has been in the league for less than 3 years, the average is around 2. It will take some time. We also have to find out what players we have at each position and how they can contribute. There is a plan in place, we just have to give the coaches and Front office enough time to develop their rebuilding plan.

got any proof of that?

It's different for everyone (except for those who it is the same).

I think the front office is learning from their mistakes for the most part. I am not yet ready to give up on them.

When you are learning, you avoid previous mistakes, and in this game I can state at least 4 mistakes that should have been ironed out.

1) The D, after being burned by Antonio Brown, the DC should have adjusted to TY Hilton, specially on the end of the half.

2) The melting of the team just before the half, it happened with BAL. Just call your TO and calm things down, adjust, take penalties if you have, anything is better..

3) Penalties, now that is something that we are having troubles with

4) Clock management..

I think both on the Bal and the Indy, we got lucky the opponents relaxed at the half.....

I was high on Farmer when we hired him. I thought he would do a good job. I was WRONG about him.

1-18 says it so far.

It won't all be said for a few more years.

too bad hue and company wont be around to see it.

No, it doesn't.

I believe they will.

Me too ... i said it the day they were hired .... haslam almost couldn't fire them for 5 years ... maybe 4 ... but no sooner ....

I still believe that today ... and believe they should get at least 4 and possibly 5 .... I've seen nothing to suggest hue or the fo should be let go any sooner ...

We really need a qb ... right now Hue's trying to develop one ... good luck Hue ...