I have noticed that BLM is made up mostly of Blacks like CHS.
I didn't know CHS was black.
And it doesn't really matter, does it?
I'm not and I've said it multiple times on this forum. I'm also not part of BLM. Although, I think any reasonable person would agree with the message, "black lives matter". Just a few weeks ago someone else tried to accuse me that I was black. I think that a lot of the people on the alt-right, the more sheltered snowflakes, seem to think that if someone defends black people, then they must be black. It's really unfortunate, but not uncommon to see. They just don't understand how someone could defend them. Sad. But not uncommon. After all, they operate on the idea of racial segregation. That's why they'll cry that Antifa (lol) and BLM (lmao) are just as bad as the KKK and Neo-Nazis. They scream and whine how want antifa and BLM to be labeled as terrorists, but are mute on the KKK and Neo-Nazis. They want to protect their own. Also, if you look at the violence from Antifa and the alt-right, then you'll see assaults on both sides of the fence. You'll also see the murder of a DSA member in an ISIS styled attack and multiple attempted murders from other alt-right members during their "peaceful" protest, which they ended up voiding by not following police instructions to enter through one part of the park, to keep them and the counter protesters separated. It seems like one side was ready for a fight, and I wouldn't be surprised. The rhetoric on this forum, even from this President, have been pro-violence.
I once had much respect for BLM, in the beginning, when Blacks were marching in the streets pleading that their lives mattered. It was earth shaking! I was caught in a traffic jam once as they marched but was not angry. I thought what a shame it was that these people need to march in order to get recognition that their lives were important and they were frightened.
Then it all changed for me. The day BLM became WPSBLM (White People Say Black Lives Matter).
Once again the wanna be's and the Liberal Whites who brought their own problems and attitudes to BLM, who thought(as they have since the 60's) that Black people can't do this themselves, we need to care for them. We need to steer this.
Yep, that is when it all changed. That is when the message was lost. That is when the rhetoric changed. Just another Liberal White victims of life cry fest.
Too bad because I thought the cause was brilliant and telling until then.
Where are all the threads on the right wing hate groups?... You guys keep this thread alive to justify you own shortcomings. Antifa is your new 'other'.
Crappy little righty rag blog horror stories, fox news cry babies, and "lefty others" and y'all act like a mouse just ran up your skirts! Then you want to call me and other liberals snowflakes! lmao You're so busy crapping your pants over some kids in hoodies and masks that you can't even see the evil they stand against.
When those brown shirts and white hoods come knocking on your door because YOU and yours are the new brown flavor of the month, you'll be wishing you had you some Antifa buddies.
My observation is that, even in the absence of right-wingers to attack, Antifa will still find targets. These include:
- Police officers - Businesses (symbols of capitalism) - Conservative groups that have nothing to do with alt-right or anything similar - Trump supporters, especially those wearing MAGA hats - People who generally fit the profile of somebody who would be a conservative or a Trump supporter, such as those who have U.S. flags, certain types of clothes (polo shirts), military style haircuts, and the like.
Going back a little bit to free speech, I just came across this "Timcast" after watching his piece about the guy who was accused of being a Nazi because he was wearing a polo shirt.
The title gives a good idea of what it is about: "WHEN HATE SPEECH LAWS BACKFIRE ON THE FAR LEFT"
He talks about how in Europe, hate speech laws are more often used against the far left than they are against the far right. He makes many other interesting observations as well, such as how Republicans are currently in power in the United States. If similar laws were to be enacted, a case could be made that they would be more likely to be used against the left than they would be against the right.
I still say that I will listen to anybody speak. We should all be mature enough to understand that there are good views that we can incorporate, and bad views that can be shunned. None of this needs to involve physically attacking people for having backwards ideas, which in itself is a violation of free speech.
Sadly, today, without any historical context, in 1776 I believe a lot of posters on this board would have been calling our forefathers a left wing terrorist group.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Antifa is just as bad. They deserve to be shown for what they are - just as the clan, the nazi's, etc.
I agree that Antifa is bad. But when you go to the level of "just as bad"?
I kind of look at the body count throughout history of these groups and fall a little shot of that.
#bodycountmatters
Per wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
Quote:
Antifa groups are known for militant protest tactics, including property damage and physical violence.[8][9][10][11][5] They tend to be anti-government and anti-capitalist,[12] and are made up of anarchists, communists and socialists.[13][14][15][16] They are predominantly far left and radical left.[17][3] Antifa's militant challenge to free speech has been criticized.[18][19]
According to these scholars, the total death toll of the mass killings defined in this way amounts to many tens of millions; however, the validity of this approach is questioned by other scholars. In his summary of the estimates in the Black Book of Communism, Martin Malia suggested a death toll of between 85 and 100 million people.[1]
Of course, the other groups you mentioned have a nasty history of their own. I don't dispute that-- just merely presenting the reality that both the extreme left and extreme right have a large body count.
Heck even BLM has murders on its hands (Micah Johnson and Gavin Long, among others), which is actually more than can be attributed to the KKK over the last 50 years (zero, as far as I can tell.) But both groups suck. I'm not sure what else to really say about that.
Once again, don't you count bodies? I agree that Antifa is a terrible group that I don't support in any way. Yet how many people in history have been maimed, tortured and murdered for the Nazi cause? How many people have the KKK hung, tortured and killed since there inception?
You can't see a difference there? Like I said, all of these groups are terrible. Yet people need to try to draw some comparison when there really is none. Why? Because body counts matter.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
My post obviously flew over your head, but whatever. I condemn the extremists on both sides. Like others, I dislike it when people only present the data on one side.
Sadly, today, without any historical context, in 1776 I believe a lot of posters on this board would have been calling our forefathers a left wing terrorist group.
Sadly, today, without any historical context, in 1776 I believe a lot of posters on this board would have been calling our forefathers a left wing terrorist group.
A new low in comparing our Founders to a Terrorist group looking to undo the Documents the Founders put together to guarantee our Freedoms.
Antifa are nothing but a bunch of wimps that hide behind masks and would never do half of the violent actions they do if it was 1 on 1. Man I wish to lord that one of these flowers would come up to me personally 1 on 1 without a weapon, but we all know they will not - now on to the post.
Yes, they are a terror group. Anyone that is attacking people with weapons, creating terror is a terrorist. Either domestic or not, they are terrorist. Anyone defending these loons is a sympathizer to terrorism.
Yet how many people in history have been maimed, tortured and murdered for the Nazi cause? How many people have the KKK hung, tortured and killed since there inception?
Well, I'd say the Nazis have a lead of about 6MM. Triple K's? Just as motivated, but seriously lacking in that ruthless German organization and precision...
If you really think about it, there no such thing as an opioid problem. they have been on this earth for longer than have I would reckon. We have a people problem.
we are all here yelling and arguing at each other "your group is more hateful than my group! My group only hates because of this, your group only hates because of this!"
Meanwhile, the media and establishment DEMS and REPS are sitting there as if they are watching starving wolves go after a chicken leg laughing at the stupidity.
Heck even BLM has murders on its hands (Micah Johnson and Gavin Long, among others), which is actually more than can be attributed to the KKK over the last 50 years (zero, as far as I can tell.)
So if it happened over 50 years ago in your book it doesn't count???
And BTW it hasn't stopped.....
Michael Donald Murder - Mobile, Alabama, 1981 Michael Donald was killed by KKK members after being charged with the murder of a White policeman. The Klan members beat him with a tree limb, strangled him with a rope and slit his throat, before later hanging him from a tree in a local neighborhood yard.
Mount Zion AME Church Burning - Greelyville, South Carolina 1995 Mount Zion AME Church was burned to the ground by KKK members before later being rebuilt.
Murder of Jason Smith - Eros, Louisiana, 2011 Jason Smith was a 14-year-old Black student from Louisiana who was found dead in a local lake with his organs missing. Although his death was ruled an "accidental drowning," his father and family maintain that the killing was the doing of local KKK members.
Jewish Community Center Murders - Overland Park, Kansas 2014 Former KKK leader Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. murdered three people after opening fire at a local Jewish community center.
And finally a stabbing Of Antifa Protesters At Klan Rally - Anaheim, California 2016...Three people were stabbed by members and supporters of the KKK while protesting against their rally in California.
And let's go back a little further... 1. Tulsa Race Riots - Tulsa, Oklahoma, 1921
Between 21 and 200 Black people were murdered after residents began rioting when a Black man was accused of raping a White woman. Tulsa KKK founder W. Tate Brady participated in the riot.
2. Murder Of Emmett Till - Money, Mississippi 1955
Emmett Till was a 14-year-old Black boy who was badly beaten before being fatally shot and thrown in the Tallahatchie River by two White men for allegedly flirting with a White woman while visiting a local store.
3. Murder of Judge Edward Aaron - Birmingham, Alabama 1957
Edward Aaron was a Black handyman who was abducted by the KKK, badly beaten, castrated with a razor and left to die in a nearby creek.
4. Murder Of Willie Edwards - Alabama River, Alabama, 1957
Willie Edwards was abducted by Klansman and severely beaten in his car before being forced at gunpoint to jump 125 feet to his death off a bridge over the Alabama River.
5. 16th Street Baptist Church Bombing That Killed Four Black School Girls - Birmingham, Alabama 1963
The KKK claimed responsibility for strategically placing bombs underneath the Black church just as Sunday school was coming to a close. The bombs later exploded and killed four Black schoolgirls between the ages of 11 and 14.
6. Murder Of Medgar Evers - Jackson, Mississippi, 1963
Medgar Evers was a civil rights activist, husband and father who was assassinated by KKK member Byron De La Beckwith in his driveway while returning home from a meeting with NAACP lawyers.
7. Murder Of Viola Liuzzo - Selma, Alabama 1965
Viola Liuzzo was a White civil rights activist, mother and wife. She was shot twice in the head by four KKK members who became enraged after seeing her riding in the car with a Black man, who was also an activist.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
If you really think about it, there no such thing as an opioid problem. they have been on this earth for longer than have I would reckon. We have a people problem.
This really deserves its own thread but it's an area where there really should be more understanding between 'both sides'.
I hear things about how people just need to have more personal responsibility and not get involved in drugs, and they're right.
I also hear things about how when people are addicted, they are often powerless to their urges... and they are also right.
You have to look at a higher level and see how addiction fits in, how the world is becoming an increasingly addictive place. It goes beyond drugs also encompasses other consumables and behaviors such as excessive video games and social media usage, porn, heavily processed junk food, etc etc.
Many of these have a similar effect on the brain and human reward systems. Some people are, to a point, more resistant than others whereas some people just have to constantly chase a stronger and stronger high.
If you've read or heard personal accounts of people hooked on opioids and then heroin and then stronger stuff, you know how awful it can be. I'm sure many of us have people in our lives who are struggling with this. Yeah the best solution is avoidance, but once someone is caught up in it, they really do need help.
That's what people miss. It's an area where the two sides can put aside their differences and realize that, at least on this subject, the differences are very reconcilable. It just takes an understanding of the topic and viewing things from a higher level, so to speak.
i've made a few threads about it but nobody wants to talk about it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Bro you need to show us proof where Antifacists groups in the USA have done anything near what Neo Nazi's and the KKK has done in the past. Otherwise you are the fake news.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
word, next time an article pops up, i'll try to get it started. the problem is that when i'm nice about things, nobody post.
i have to start a crap storm for any sort of conversation to happen around here.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Bro you need to show us proof where Antifacists groups in the USA have done anything near what Neo Nazi's and the KKK has done in the past. Otherwise you are the fake news.
So you want us to compare dirty deeds done by a group with over 100 years of history and a group with over 60 years of history and Antifa with a little over a year of history?
If you really think about it, there no such thing as an opioid problem. they have been on this earth for longer than have I would reckon. We have a people problem.
Well then you should know a boom in the prescribing of narcotics by outpatient doctors between 1999 and 2015 driven partly by the pharmaceutical companies that sold those drugs. The sales “opioid analgesics”—medications like Vicodin, Percocet, and OxyContin has quadrupled in the U.S.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
If you really think about it, there no such thing as an opioid problem. they have been on this earth for longer than have I would reckon. We have a people problem.
Well then you should know a boom in the prescribing of narcotics by outpatient doctors between 1999 and 2015 driven partly by the pharmaceutical companies that sold those drugs. The sales “opioid analgesics”—medications like Vicodin, Percocet, and OxyContin has quadrupled in the U.S.
Wow! and those darned Doctors actually put those drugs in your mouth? Terrible!
Bro you need to show us proof where Antifacists groups in the USA have done anything near what Neo Nazi's and the KKK has done in the past. Otherwise you are the fake news.
So you want us to compare dirty deeds done by a group with over 100 years of history and a group with over 60 years of history and Antifa with a little over a year of history?
Yes. Since you and others claim it's so horrid and terrible that Antifacists protest against those groups who have gotten away with all those dirty deeds done over the last 100 years of their existence.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
word, next time an article pops up, i'll try to get it started. the problem is that when i'm nice about things, nobody post.
i have to start a crap storm for any sort of conversation to happen around here.
That's what people respond to. Most people here probably feel the same way.
In a way it's almost... addiction. Let me explain.
You know how I take my breaks from this board? My most recent significant break was from early August until Late August or thereabouts. Hold that thought.
Posting about politics is kind of a rush. We read some argument from the 'other side', get outraged by what we see, and try to get in the other person's mind and think about all the demonic things that could be going on their head. It's a rush, it's stimulating, it releases dopamine.
Write up one of your posts that crushes the other side, and that is satisfying. Again it's dopamine (or more generally stimulating the reward system-- there's more than just dopamine going on), it's that AHA! Gotcha! which is stimulating although if you're on here every day, you almost become desensitized to it. I challenge anyone here to take a few weeks off and then come back and you will see what I mean. It's a rush and it's hard to stop. It's the same idea with social media although that's even faster paced and often times even more outrageous (and therefore why so many people get hooked on it.)
Now compare all this to some perfectly reasonable and nice post. It might be helpful and well-meaning and all that, but it's boring. By boring I don't mean an objective criteria of what should be fun/boring-- by that standard, arguing on a message board should always be boring. But the stuff that outrages is stimulating and is therefore almost certain to draw responses.
Yes. Since you and others claim it's so horrid and terrible that Antifacists protest against those groups who have gotten away with all those dirty deeds done over the last 100 years of their existence.
You then have zero clue what Antifa has been up too and why our Government have labeled them Terrorists.
Hint, it ain't for being good guys fighting Nazis.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Yes. Since you and others claim it's so horrid and terrible that Antifacists protest against those groups who have gotten away with all those dirty deeds done over the last 100 years of their existence.
You then have zero clue what Antifa has been up too and why our Government have labeled them Terrorists.
Hint, it ain't for being good guys fighting Nazis.
Fill me in bro. Who's their leaders? Name a few of these antifascists since you know who and what they are up to. Who are they protesting or marching against this week. Who have they lynched, run over, tied to tree, dragged behind a pickup or gunned down?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
If you really think about it, there no such thing as an opioid problem. they have been on this earth for longer than have I would reckon. We have a people problem.
Well then you should know a boom in the prescribing of narcotics by outpatient doctors between 1999 and 2015 driven partly by the pharmaceutical companies that sold those drugs. The sales “opioid analgesics”—medications like Vicodin, Percocet, and OxyContin has quadrupled in the U.S.
Wow! and those darned Doctors actually put those drugs in your mouth? Terrible!
I'm trying to stay out of these discussions, but you are completely blind if you don't think what Perfect said is not one of the main reasons for the opioid epidemic (and I don't agree with Perfect often, lol). Are you supposed to trust your doctor when you are in excruciating pain? What happens when you are still in pain and they stop prescribing the drugs? Or worse yet, you've become addicted. I've seen it first hand and it is ugly - perfectly good, normal people turn into thieves and liars. Once the pills are gone, heroin is the way many go as it is a lot cheaper than pills on the street.
Sure, you don't have to take them, it is ultimately your choice - knowing what we know now, a lot more people are not taking them when prescribed. IMO, big pharma is the main reason for this problem.
My post obviously flew over your head, but whatever. I condemn the extremists on both sides. Like others, I dislike it when people only present the data on one side.
You mean what you have been doing by trying to downplay the violence of white nationalists and fellow alt-righters? I know you won't claim to be alt-right, but you do mimic a lot of their talking points. Tomi Lahren has said the same thing, disbelieving KKK and alt-right murders. Do you think the KKK just sits around and reads Thomas Paine all day? For someone, like yourself, who loves to look into violence at protests, you sure have ignored the 3 people stabbed by a KKK member at Berkley last year as well as the KKK Imperial Wizard who was charged with attempted murder after shooting his gun at a black guy.
Worst pain I have ever had was my bruised calcaneus. (that's the large bone in your foot - your heal).
Now, it didn't hurt if I was sitting, or laying. At all. Put weight on my foot? Flat out impossible. Excruciating.
I was on crutches for almost 3 weeks. As it started to heal and I was able to put some weight on it, the doc told me to take 4 200 mg. advil. (800 mg.).
Crap - just that OTC ibuprofen was all I needed. Again, this was after about 3 weeks.
Without ibuprofen, I would've been laid up much longer.
With it......wow. I started off taking 4 at a time, but quickly went down to 2 pills. And it was weird.....as the pills wore off I could tell and I'd take another 1. Totally played it by "feel" when I was working.
That's ibuprofen. I can't imagine what opioids would be like. Thank God I've never had them prescribed, never taken any, etc.
If you really think about it, there no such thing as an opioid problem. they have been on this earth for longer than have I would reckon. We have a people problem.
Well then you should know a boom in the prescribing of narcotics by outpatient doctors between 1999 and 2015 driven partly by the pharmaceutical companies that sold those drugs. The sales “opioid analgesics”—medications like Vicodin, Percocet, and OxyContin has quadrupled in the U.S.
Wow! and those darned Doctors actually put those drugs in your mouth? Terrible!
I'm trying to stay out of these discussions, but you are completely blind if you don't think what Perfect said is not one of the main reasons for the opioid epidemic (and I don't agree with Perfect often, lol). Are you supposed to trust your doctor when you are in excruciating pain? What happens when you are still in pain and they stop prescribing the drugs? Or worse yet, you've become addicted. I've seen it first hand and it is ugly - perfectly good, normal people turn into thieves and liars. Once the pills are gone, heroin is the way many go as it is a lot cheaper than pills on the street.
Sure, you don't have to take them, it is ultimately your choice - knowing what we know now, a lot more people are not taking them when prescribed. IMO, big pharma is the main reason for this problem.
What you are supposed to do in every case is think for yourself. The Doctor helps as best he can but you are ultimately in charge of your own treatment.
Everyone knows you can take Opioids for a while without a problem. It is up to you to decide when a different course of treatment is necessary. You choose when it is time for a different Doctor.
I have known many people who have reached the end of treatment without becoming addicts but have come to the realization they will be living with this pain the rest of their lives. Most people can not accept this scenario. They want to be back to normal or else!
I'm trying to stay out of these discussions, but you are completely blind if you don't think what Perfect said is not one of the main reasons for the opioid epidemic (and I don't agree with Perfect often, lol). Are you supposed to trust your doctor when you are in excruciating pain? What happens when you are still in pain and they stop prescribing the drugs? Or worse yet, you've become addicted. I've seen it first hand and it is ugly - perfectly good, normal people turn into thieves and liars. Once the pills are gone, heroin is the way many go as it is a lot cheaper than pills on the street.
Sure, you don't have to take them, it is ultimately your choice - knowing what we know now, a lot more people are not taking them when prescribed. IMO, big pharma is the main reason for this problem.
I wanted to post this when I first saw it. Forgot to do it that week. Now seems like a perfect time and place, even if a new thread hasn't opened up.
(Refs- feel free to move this if an appropriate thread gets started)
My post obviously flew over your head, but whatever. I condemn the extremists on both sides. Like others, I dislike it when people only present the data on one side.
You mean what you have been doing by trying to downplay the violence of white nationalists and fellow alt-righters? I know you won't claim to be alt-right, but you do mimic a lot of their talking points. Tomi Lahren has said the same thing, disbelieving KKK and alt-right murders. Do you think the KKK just sits around and reads Thomas Paine all day? For someone, like yourself, who loves to look into violence at protests, you sure have ignored the 3 people stabbed by a KKK member at Berkley last year as well as the KKK Imperial Wizard who was charged with attempted murder after shooting his gun at a black guy.
To tell you the truth, I don't really know what the KKK does. I didn't even think they were around until recently when I asked in one of these threads if they were, and OCD assured me that they were. He said to google upcoming Klan rallies or something of the sort and I'd really rather not have that in my search history, so I took him at his word.
For the violence you have laid out: I have not heard of most of it until now. I did read about Charlottesville some and I came across one tidbit about a black guy with a homemade flamethrower that he was.. ahem.. firing at some group, and another guy came over and fired a warning shot. [edit: I think you are talking about something else?]
That's all I really know about it. I don't know who they were or what the context was. Due to my ignorance, I think it's best to let the justice system sort that one out.
As for your thinly-veiled insinuations: no I'm not alt-right lol. It's still not entirely clear to me what that is although I've done enough reading on it at this point to at least have a semi-coherent idea about what it is, what the difference is between 'alt-right' and 'alt-light' and all that. I'm basically an independent at heart-- there are actually some issues that I think the left/Democrats have good points on, but on the whole, they've become so despicable and nasty that I've been pushed to the right. I don't even know what I'd call myself, maybe some mix of conservative/right-wing/libertarian/free speech-ish mix. I tolerate the Republican party because the alternative is intolerable.
You have to look at a higher level and see how addiction fits in, how the world is becoming an increasingly addictive place. It goes beyond drugs also encompasses other consumables and behaviors such as excessive video games and social media usage, porn, heavily processed junk food, etc etc.
Im sorry, I disagree with this. The vast majority of kids play video games, use social media, watch porn, and eat heavily processed junk food. The VAST majority of kids do no use. We need to stop blaming outside causes and look at the root cause, that some people are just lost no matter what. (and this does need its own thread)
What you are supposed to do in every case is think for yourself. The Doctor helps as best he can but you are ultimately in charge of your own treatment.
Everyone knows you can take Opioids for a while without a problem. It is up to you to decide when a different course of treatment is necessary. You choose when it is time for a different Doctor.
I have known many people who have reached the end of treatment without becoming addicts but have come to the realization they will be living with this pain the rest of their lives. Most people can not accept this scenario. They want to be back to normal or else!
I know people that didn't get addicted as well. I also know several who have and it was gut-wrenching to watch their downfall. These were not weak minded, can't think for themselves, dumb people. I guess we can't all be as strong and as smart as you though 40.
Keep putting your head in the sand on this one, the facts are there - it is highly addictive and the drug companies knew it. To me it is 100% the reason behind the epidemic.
