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hey Bud you know how i feel about you, but i don't care about last year. i know we were 1-15, but this is a new year and i'm hoping to pull of a few wins and i hope this is one of them.


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I hope so, too. Not sure why you think that I am rooting against us?

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Hey Vers never said you were voting against us, Just we both hope for a win.


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looking at the schedule we have the following games.

Ratbirds w/l? 50/50

colts--win

Jets--win

Begals--win

the way I am looking at it, we should be 3-2 after the bengals game...after that it looks tough.

Browns 3-2

Bengals 0-4

4-1 if the football gods smile on us for one minute (Ratbirds)

yup sir


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I find it strange that everyone thinks its do or die, when for the most part people predicted from 2 - 6 wins?

This is what I expect and I assume their coaches as well get better week in week out and don't ever ever lose because of a lack of effort. Simple right.

I think lost on all of this is the fact that this is a very young football team these guys are trying to establish themselves in the NFL lack of effort or needing to have (must have) a win I don't think is a factor. More like if you want to stay here or in the NFL for that matter best give it your all every snap, or guess what there are plenty of guys who will!

If they need to win (not buying) its because they need to improve their record and the FANS need the win, there the ones who will jump ship like rats, the players they best give their all, every single play they do that and continue to show improvement I am good.

With a rookie QB I bet every player on the squad knows how that plays out in the NFL. Keep your head down work hard, which is all you as a player can control.

All the encouragement they need comes with their sizable pay checks...Assuming they want to keep getting that encouragement (cough cough pay check) they best work their tales off..

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i see games against Bal/Cincy as important this year. I think it's important to at least split with them and shift the momentum a little bit. It'd be nice to win 3 of 4 games and not wind up in last place.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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These Browns could start 7-1, and finish 10-6, and qualify for the playoffs, and even win one playoff game, This Year!

And when all the talking heads say Nobody would have thought it, a few here already do.

I do know one thing. After watching last week. If this team goes 6-10 through the whole schedule, that's no kind of improvement, that's a disappointing season.


This is the Ravens' home opener. And We can usually count on different performances between NFL's opening week and week 2. Teams that played bad usually play better and teams that looked unstoppable sometimes don't look as good in week 2, year in and year out we see this.

This is the Ravens' home opener, so it would be a big feat to get a win, but who knows.

I figured, best case scenario, even if everything is clicking, that they'd be far fetched to be 2-0 starting with Pittsburgh and Baltimore, but if everything is going well, these Browns can win the next 7, or 8.

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i see games against Bal/Cincy as important this year. I think it's important to at least split with them and shift the momentum a little bit. It'd be nice to win 3 of 4 games and not wind up in last place.


So You mean, This week the Browns are playing for 2nd place in the AFC North Division.

Or They are playing for Last Place in the AFC North division, next week, if the other outcome.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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j/c

i see games against Bal/Cincy as important this year. I think it's important to at least split with them and shift the momentum a little bit. It'd be nice to win 3 of 4 games and not wind up in last place.


So You mean, This week the Browns are playing for 2nd place in the AFC North Division.

Or They are playing for Last Place in the AFC North division, next week, if the other outcome.
lol, umm, yeah i think?


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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It's going to take more than 18 points to overcome the opponent in their first home game.

The offense is going to have to be clicking on all cylinders, and that team prides itself on it's defense,

which means this young Offense is going to have to be smart with where the football goes.

I see no way they hold the Ravens team to < less than 20 points unless, they, The Browns score at least > more than 20 points.


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Baltimore's offense stinks!

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We must win.....the line of scrimmage. If we can't run, things are going to be tough.

Their line is suspect, need to put the hurt on Flacco


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Don't overlook the opportunity that (OIC, Only in Cleveland) strikes and they score a couple times when the Browns offense is on the field.

All I know is that if you think in 2017 NFL, a team perennial 4th placers, going against a division opponent, in that teams home opener, in a league where the average points scored by any team has gone up, over the years, from the mid 90's about 20. to 22. to 24. last time I looked, per game.
That if you think you can win this game 10-6, or even 17-10, it's probably not going to happen.

Somebody's scoring over 20 points, might as well be the Browns.

But if the Browns are somehow up 10-0, mid 3rd quarter, or something, and try to hold it? Good night, I don't see ANY way that could happen, nobody could hold that lead, if you're not having drives that continue to score more points.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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10 things to watch in the Browns’ Week 2 match-up and the NFL
We look at the pre-camp roster odds fans had been asking us about, Gregg Williams’ praise for Joe Schobert, Isaiah Crowell not thinking he missed holes last week, and more.
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Welcome to Week 2 of the NFL! I enjoyed how the format of this column went over last week, allowing me to incorporate a lot of loose ends leading up to Sunday’s game.

Pokorny’s 10 Things to Watch in Week 2 - Browns and the NFL


1. Pre-Camp Roster Odds: During training camp, we had a request on whether we could go back to all of the “roster odds percentages” I had done during the offseason and reflect on they actually turned out. It’s not something I’d ever done before, but it sounded like an interesting exercise. I took the time to compile and key-code the results in Microsoft Excel, and the next bullet point will cover some notes about the results.






2. Biggest Surprises During Camp: In the table, I decided to set two thresholds: a player with 70% roster odds or above would be a “surprise” cut/trade, while a player with 30% roster odds or below would be a “surprise” addition to the roster. Here are some notes to summarize how our percentages turned out:

The biggest surprise departures are all of the veterans: QB Brock Osweiler (80%), OL Cameron Erving (75%), OL John Greco (75%), DE Desmond Bryant (90%), CB Joe Haden (99%), and S Calvin Pryor (80%). Remember that these were pre-camp projections. Obviously, shortly after camp started, we knew that Pryor’s stock had dropped significantly (although he did actually make the roster before an in-house fight last week).
One thing I was pleased about is that everyone made the roster who I projected to have 100% odds (22 players). I skated by barely with the Haden one at 99%, but there’s a reason I left a 1% doubt.
Now for the surprise additions: OL Marcus Martin (10%), DL Trevon Coley (25%), LB James Burgess (5%), LB B.J. Bello (5%), and S Kai Nacua (30%).


3. The Utilization of Duke Johnson: I think it’s great that the Browns want to utilize RB Duke Johnson as a slot receiver for a fair amount of snaps, but there was probably a little too much of it in Week 1. Pro Football Focus pointed out that Johnson lined up at receiver 47 times in all of 2016, and he surpassed that amount in Week 1 of 2017 alone (48 times). As much as the coaches may like Matthew Dayes, I think he took on too much of a role in Week 1. The Browns were perfectly fine in their utilization of a two-back system last year.

The big question is if we’re reducing Johnson’s work in the slot, then who makes up for it? We can’t just point to Kasen Williams and Sammie Coates, as they are both outside receivers. I still like what I see from Ricardo Louis, and he’s done enough work in the slot to earn some more reps there. I guess there’s a chance that Rashard Higgins’ promotion on Saturday could be a late sign that they are going to give him some slot reps this week, but I just don’t think he’s shown enough of an ability to create mismatches.

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4. Pass Protection Needs to Step Up: We’ve already beaten a dead horse that QB DeShone Kizer needs to get the ball out faster, which is easier said than done against a Ravens secondary and defense that notched four interceptions a week ago. But there is some concern that the offensive line could face more breakdowns this week before getting back on track when they begin an easier stretch of games over the following four weeks.

In our game preview, we noted how good Ravens defensive tackles Brandon Williams and Michael Pierce are at stopping the run. But what we didn’t talk about is how many pressures (six) they generated last week.

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Center J.C. Tretter faces the biggest test, because for the second week in a row, he matches up against a player similar to the one he struggled against in Week 1:

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And while we’re all set to celebrate left tackle Joe Thomas reaching 10,000 snaps, PFF reminds us that when Thomas squared off against Terrell Suggs in Week 10 last season, he allowed 4 pressures and 1 sack.



5. Gregg Williams Talking Up Joe Schobert: We have spent a lot of time praising MLB Joe Schobert, and during his Friday press conference, defensive coordinator Gregg Williams tied the bow on the story. He addressed the fact that other places he’s coached, he used five defensive backs all the time because he didn’t have enough linebackers to warrant being on the field. He believes he does with Jamie Collins, Christian Kirksey, and Joe Schobert, which is a sign that Schobert will remain a regular contributor:

On LBs Jamie Collins Sr., Christian Kirksey and Joe Schobert playing nearly every snap against Pittsburgh:

“What it says is those three cats are good. I smile, and that is a very good question that you are asking, is why would I pull either one of those three guys off? There have been a lot of times when I have had to play at other places with five DBs of six DBs. Didn’t have any linebackers so you are going to play the next man up, the next best player. Those three cats can play now so that is not very smart for me to get them off the field very many times and the times that we do, sometimes it is for rest.

On Schobert being a ‘surprise’ among proven LBs like Kirksey and Collins:

“That is a good recognition of how well he has played. Here is another thing, I have always taken and we should as coaches take great pride on affecting change anywhere you have a chance to move into to help people win. Affecting change means that you make an average player play good, a good player play great and if you have the opportunity to coach a great one – very few of us do – then he has to play great on your watch.

Schobs was playing in somewhat of a mis-position last year, but that was the way that he had to be able to play in that style of defense. One of the things that I liked a lot about him coming out and I was attracted to him in the draft when he was coming out was he was an all-state basketball player. Those movements are rare when you talk about a football player with toughness and still being able to play tough. The next thing is how smart he is and then sometimes when you have a smart player, they want to think too much, become a robot and be too robotic in their decision making so all of that put together was ask him to lose weight.

You can tease him about that. He lost weight. Not only did I ask him, I told him, you better lose weight, otherwise you will have periods of practice with me helping you lose weight. Then you all of the sudden see those movement skills and then getting him to believe in himself that anywhere we go and what we do, the middle linebacker is the person in charge on game day. Sometimes that is daunting. Sometimes that is intimidating. You have to kind of go through that trial and error. That is why the spring is so important and the training camp is so important to go through those trial and error things and then he has somebody like me support him saying, ‘I don’t care what he calls. You better do what he tells you to do.’ I am going to coach him to tell you right, but whatever he says, be right. Now with all of that being said and done, he is playing pretty good and playing sideline to sideline.

The one play he would love to have back, two plays he would love to have back in this last ball game is I thought he was going to catch the ball he deflected. Him being that deep is rare for him to recognize and be that close to making the play and then the play where they scored the touchdown. He knows that. The thing that was refreshing to me about that was that he was onto the next play. Sometimes when you make a mistake like that, it disturbs me on the sideline how I have to try to get their confidence back or get their attention back. He immediately put it in the back burner, got onto the next play and it didn’t result in multiple mistakes. That is positive for him. He played very well.”


6. Ogunjobi Against the Run: One of the things we didn’t have much time to discuss last week in our film review sessions was how well rookie defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi did against the run. Fortunately, we can reflect now, thanks to a couple of clips by Jordan Zirm, the first of which shows Ogunjobi making quick work of center Maurkice Pouncey on 3rd-and-1 to help stop running back Le’Veon Bell from getting a first down.

On this next clip, Ogunjobi lines up over the right guard, tosses him aside, and disrupts the play for no gain. The Ravens don’t feature as good of an offensive line as Pittsburgh, and Baltimore is nothing more than average at the left guard, center, and right tackle spots. Ogunjobi will have more opportunities to disrupt a Ravens team that ran the ball 40 times a week ago.

7. The Fantasy Wishlist With Gordon & Garrett: We’re already optimistic about what this season could bring for the Browns, but the clock starts ticking next week (September 21) on another storyline to follow: when Josh Gordon gets out of rehab and seems to believe he’ll be given a shot to return to the league by the NFL. My assumption is that by being in rehab, he’s able to pass however many tests the league has been giving him. I think there’d be some concern as to whether or not he can stay clean once he’s out of rehab, but you know, I have no freaking idea what the league thinks any more when it comes to Gordon.

But that fantasy exists: what if in a couple of weeks, Gordon is re-instated, and right around the same time, Myles Garrett’s ankle is all healed up? You’re talking about adding two blue-chip players, one on each side of the ball. The difference between them, if Gordon is accepted by the team, is that Garrett would be an everydown player, while you’d have to ease Gordon along fairly slowly to (1) get him in shape, (2) get him to know the offense and built chemistry, and (3) not be disrespectful to the rest of the locker room who have worked their tails off to be where they are at.



8. Crowell’s Quote of Note: On Friday, one of the players who was interviewed was RB Isaiah Crowell. When asked whether he felt he missed any opportunities or holes in Week 1, here is what he had to say:

“When I went back and watched the film, I didn’t see any because I know what I can do. I’m confident in myself, and if I did miss some, then I would own up to it. That is not how I feel about it.”
That might perturb Browns fans who felt otherwise, especially for a guy who is in a contract year. But I don’t disagree with what Crowell said. I believe that getting the handoff out of Shotgun doesn’t play to his strengths as much, but I didn’t see plays that made me think, “Man, if Crowell would have done this, that’s a much bigger gain.”

However, Isaiah Crowell’s work as a pass protector does have to be a lot better, and it’s something I’d imagine the club has worked on extensively this week:

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This young team needs a win to show them their work is paying off.


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Its week 2 fellas ... win or lose this week, we'll be fine mentally either way ..

Obviously a win is better and i think we should win this week ... but if we dont, we'll be fine from a mental standpoint ...

Next week starts a stretch of very winnable games ... we should see some wins then ... if not, then id start to worry about this teams mental make up ...




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Diam i perdicted a 5 win season so of course i want to get there as fast as posible.


The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.

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This Baltimore team is very vulnerable as they are devasted with injuries everywhere ...we better exploit it and bring our A game...

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Diam i perdicted a 5 win season so of course i want to get there as fast as posible.


*L* ... we all do ...

I predicted 4 with 6 as the ceiling ....

We need to get MG back and stay healthy on D ..

This game to me comes down to 2 things ...

- Flacco's experience vs Kizer's 2ns career start ..

- our OL play vs their OL play ... ours is LIGHT YEARS BETTER ...

There d is healthy and one of the best ... our d is pretty damm good even w/o Garrett ...

I expect a low scoring affair with not a ton of offense ...

It'll be close ,,, i think we win this one ,... i think were the better team today ...




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jc...

I expect Tretter, Zeitler and Shon Coleman to be tested by the Rats D.

I expect the Browns defensive backs to be tested by Flacco and the Rats receivers.

No predictions on the outcome..but the Browns do at least have a chance if all goes well.

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PS : We STILL need a win. I hate watching Kizer take sacks. And throw interceptions. We need additional OC help.


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Could tell within the first quarter we were going to be 0-2. I'm not even a psychic.

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This game, against Indy is the must win game. Win one on the road, then 2 winable games at home.

If we lose this game, we will never touch .500 and there is a better than good chance Hue is toast at seasons end.


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Yep, this is a game that Hue has to win and if he can't win it with his field talent he has to win it with his coaching prowess.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
This game, against Indy is the must win game. Win one on the road, then 2 winable games at home.

If we lose this game, we will never touch .500 and there is a better than good chance Hue is toast at seasons end.
yep


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I don't understand why anyone would say or even want Hue fired at seasons end. This is a 5 year plan.If in the 5th year our Browns aren't much better than they are now fine make a move. I said at the beginning of the season don't expect more than 3-5 wins. Any more than that is gravy. A few other posters had the same opinion. I respect other posters opinions but saying we are going to win 7,8 games or more is unrealistic IMO. I believe Hue is a good coach who, like this team, needs time. Firing him after this season is the same insanity we've been going through sine we've come back. Doesn't anyone learn? Give Hue some top talent he'll win.We don't have enough right now.

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The NFL is not a developmental league; it is a results league. Nobody gets 5 years.

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Dave, after the way our FO tore down this team we will need 5 years. Maybe we can set a precedent!!! thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: Dave
The NFL is not a developmental league; it is a results league. Nobody gets 5 years.


Gus Bradley got four years and it was one year too long.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BradGu0.htm

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Win or a rather looooonnnnggg season - again frown


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