j/c...but definitely has medicinal purposes better than this OxyCodeine I have been prescribed and stopped taking altogether so I don't become addicted. Wish I had some weed.
I am pretty sure Josh tests are all good that he will be reinstated and a Brown by October. He has for the most part the last several years stayed clean (passed his tests) but has a big time problem understanding PROTOCOL. Ergo his big suspension after being caught drinking on a flight thinking the NEW YEAR meant his Drinking ban had ended...instead of knowing the NFL Fiscal year is in March not New Years of course he might not have been taught what a fiscal year is! But its on him although I thought it was a sad day when our WR coach was drinking with him at the time!
So he will be back as long as he does not slip up. I hope he maintains rehab stints in the off season and not go to Vegas with his buddy Manziel. I think it will take him 2 weeks to get back into it...so that we will have him for our last 10 games!
I don't mind a feel good story of him coming back successfully. He stumbles again I doubt he will ever play again. I hope he realizes that.
jmho
Eo, I'll give you $50M to do something for which you have a genuine talent and love to do. All you have to do is not drink or get high for about 10 years. Can you do that? Forget that it is socially acceptable, that's it's legal in some states, that all your friends and many of your co-workers do it; you stay off drugs and alcohol for 10 years and you walk away with $50M. If you don't stay clean and sober, you get nothing. Can you do it?
Josh Gordon can't. He is an addict. He can play the game, say all the right things, make the appearance of staying the course, but unless he accepts that he is an addict, he will never be able to leave it alone.
I am an addict, in 9 days, if I make it that long, I will celebrate 28 years clean and sober. If I make it those 9 days it will only be because I ACCEPT THAT I AM AN ADDICT! I have known, in those almost 28 years, thousands of other addicts. Those who successfully stay clean and sober accept that they are addicts. Those who don't accept that fact, go back to using.
Reading the article posted above, it is clear to me that after all this time, after all those suspensions, Gordon still hasn't accepted that he is an addict. He blames others, he tries other ways to try to alter his consciousness. He has not accepted that he is an addict. Once he's back, once things look like they're going well, he will use again. He's an addict who has not accepted that he is addicted.
Congratulations. 21 years clean & sober for me.
Gordon seems like a slow-motion trainwreck to me. It might be mostly 'soft' drugs he is using (pot), but it has ruined his career and paycheck. He has lost the respect of many people. He really needs to wise up and stop using for good, not sneak around and keep puffing away, hoping he won't get caught.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Past behavior predicts current and future behavior. (Ut-oh?!?)
P.S. I know I've posted this once or twice before - at least - but it still cracks me up:
Congrats on 21! I'm catching up to you... just 10 years ago, you had eleven times as many years as me, now you have less than double
This entire stint in rehab smacks of someone going through the motions because of back problems -- the judges, coaches, and commissioners won't get off his back.
I do question his sincerity in this stint, but just as I do with every friend of mine that has gone back out and come back in, I will welcome him with open arms and without further judgement when he comes back in. Clean slate - now Show Me.
IF the NFL allows him back, I'm fairly certain that it will either be the beginning of a great comeback story, or the final chapter in a cautionary tale. IF he is serious about sobriety, I seriously wish I was in a position to sponsor him, and I hope he is finding a way to surround himself with plenty of SOBER people.... not people that have given up one thing or another, or have cut back. Sober. He needs solid examples and people to lean on around him.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
He's given us every reason to question him and zero reasons to trust him. Trust and respect are earned, not given.
And??
We're talking about a child's game that adults get paid stupid amounts of money to play for the purpose of entertaining the masses.... it isn't anything so serious that it requires a hardliner stance for something so minor.
So, he's messed up.... other than possible pride, what's to be lost by giving him another chance? Wait - don't answer... this board was willing to ostracize and hang Braylon over parking tickets, lol! Or was that Winslow??
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I take 18 pills a day I would die if I didn't.I like sipping some red wine (once a month) but I could go without no problem.
Proud of your Sobriety! Keep up the will to live!
Josh at some point will be allowed to drink...he goes 2 years without facing a failed test and his status will change. Unfortunately he has eliminated 10 more years in the NFL with all of this.
jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
My issue with the Gordon situation is that plenty of players smoke pot and don't get caught or get the LeVeon Bell treatment.
I realize it's the rule...and Gordon broke the rule so it's his fault where he's at...but the NFL is not required to enforce that rule. And if they do not enforce it for all...the shouldn't enforce it for anyone.
And if they do not enforce it for all...the shouldn't enforce it for anyone.
this x1000
Either it is a rule to be enforced, or it is not. Their part-time enforcement of things like this depending upon who the player is is a big reason why the NFL & The Commish is considered to be a complete joke that deserves no respect.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
My issue with the Gordon situation is that plenty of players smoke pot and don't get caught or get the LeVeon Bell treatment.
The last offense the commish's office charged Gordon with...did it have anything to do with him smoking pot?
it didn't at all, from my understanding it was because he didn't return calls or take calls to drug testers.
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
This should help to refresh our memories of that event.
Josh Gordon confirms suspension, details how 4 drinks on Vegas flight could cost him his NFL career
Updated on January 30, 2015 at 8:05 AMPosted on January 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com link
PHOENIX, Ariz. -- Browns receiver Josh Gordon, in an open letter to Charles Barkley and others admonishing them for judging him, confirmed that he's been suspended for violating the league's substance-abuse policy again and detailed how four drinks on a plane to Las Vegas could cost him his NFL career.
Gordon, who's in Stage 3 of the league's substance-abuse program, is facing an indefinite ban from the NFL, which stipulates that he can apply for reinstatement with Commissioner Roger Goodell a year after the suspension begins. He must stay clean and sober for Goodell to let him back in the league. He said he's not sure yet if he'll appeal the ban.
With critics such as Barkley, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith and Cris Carter coming down hard on him, Gordon was inspired to write a letter to them and others on The Cauldron explaining how he got to this point and that he's not an alcoholic or drug addict.
In fact, Gordon, who's now been suspended three times by the league, steadfastly maintains that he hasn't smoked marijuana since before joining the Browns in the summer of 2012.
Unfortunately for Gordon, he may have unwittingly prompted the indefinite ban by posting videos of himself and teammates on his Instagram account on the night of Jan. 2. In the videos, which have since been deleted, Gordon and his teammates are shown tossing around bricks of $100 bills like footballs and horsing around on a private jet to Las Vegas.
Gordon, who was suspended for the first 10 games (covering 11 weeks) of the season for a positive marijuana test, was convicted on a July 4 DWI charge in North Carolina while awaiting word on his appeal.
In his open letter, he explained that "as a strict condition to my reinstatement in Week 12, I had to agree not only to abstain from drinking for the rest of the season, but also to submit to an alcohol screen as part of my in-season drug testing under the league's substance-abuse protocol.''
Gordon later acknowledges that he never bothered to confirm with the league exactly when his drinking ban was up.
"It doesn't matter if I thought that the league-imposed restriction on drinking had expired at the end of the regular season; what matters is that I didn't confirm whether or not that was the case,'' he wrote. "Now, that oversight has further jeopardized my relationship with my team and our fans, my reputation, and maybe even my career.''
Gordon also states that he felt the drinking ban was too harsh.
"Did I think that was excessive given I had never had any issue whatsoever with alcohol? Yes,'' he wrote, apparently discounting the DWI. "Did I think it was hypocritical that a professional league making hundreds of millions of dollars off beer sponsorships was telling me not to drink? Yes. Did I so much as blink at the condition? No. My primary concern was — and is — being the best football player I can be; I really didn't even view it as much of a punishment or sacrifice.''
Gordon then chronicled that fateful night -- and those four drinks -- that could very well cost the All-Pro his career.
"On Jan. 2 of this year, just days after our season ended earlier than we all had hoped — and yes, my actions during the prior offseason definitely contributed to our failure to make the playoffs; it killed me seeing our guys fight so hard when I wasn't out there with them — I boarded a private flight to Las Vegas with several teammates.
"During the flight, I had two beers and two drinks. It was the first time I had consumed so much as a drop of alcohol since July 4, 2014, the day of the DWI. Anyone who knows me knows that I am not much of a drinker. Even calling me a social drinker would be an exaggeration, but at that moment, on that flight, I made a choice. The wrong choice, as it turned out.
"Upon landing, I received the all-too-familiar notice by phone that I was to report to a testing location within four hours. I failed the test, obviously, and the rest is history ... colored by media speculation and faux outrage.
"In the end, of course, I failed myself.''
Gordon couldn't try to beat the test, because a diluted sample counts as a positive. As for his teammates and his receivers coach letting him drink, they apparently must've thought he knew he rules.
Gordon, who failed three marijuana tests in college, also insisted that he hasn't gotten high since he's been in the league.
"Truth is, I have not smoked marijuana since before I was drafted by the Browns in 2012 — and there are years' worth of drug tests to prove it,'' he said. "So, then how did I get here, you ask? That's easy. I messed up.''
Gordon reiterated that he was suspended for the first two games of the 2013 season because of codeine in his prescribed cough syrup. He has also maintained that his barely positive marijuana test from last year was due to second-hand smoke, and that his blood-alcohol level was only .01 over the legal limit in North Carolina when he was arrested for driving under the influence.
"I failed myself when started using marijuana regularly as a young teenager,'' he said. "I failed myself when I ruined a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be Robert Griffin III's running mate during his Heisman Trophy-winning season at Baylor. I failed myself when I didn't check with the league office to ensure that my doctor-prescribed, codeine-based medicine was allowed under NFL guidelines.
"I failed myself when I was arrested for driving a motor vehicle with a blood-alcohol level over the legal limit. I failed myself when I missed a team walkthrough late in the season and was suspended for the final game of the year.''
He also pointed out to Barkley, Stephen A. Smith, Cris Carter and others that he's also overcome a lot.
"I succeeded by escaping a youth riddled with poverty, gang violence and very little in the way of guidance or support,'' he said. "I succeeded by narrowly avoiding a life of crime that managed to sink its clutches into almost all of my childhood friends. I succeeded by working tremendously hard on my craft and my body to even have a chance to play professional football for a living.
"And, contrary to popular belief, I succeeded by overcoming my longstanding relationship with weed — because I knew I was risking my future over it.''
Now, his entire career is hanging in the balance because of what he said were four drinks on a plane.
"These are the actual facts surrounding my situation, and these are my words,'' said Gordon. "What comes next is uncertain. I haven't decided whether to appeal the latest suspension. That's a matter for my agent and me to discuss.''
Meanwhile, the Browns will decide what to do with Gordon once the NFL notifies them of the minimum year-long ban, during which Gordon must test negative up to 10 times per month and adhere to all the other terms of his individualized treatment program.
During the suspension, they don't have to pay him his $1.068 million salary, and his contract gets put on hold while he's out, meaning they'll own his rights through 2017 if he makes it back for next season.
"What I do know is the following: I am not a drug addict; I am not an alcoholic,'' said Gordon. "I am not someone who deserves to be dissected and analyzed like some tragic example of everything that can possibly go wrong for a professional athlete. ... I have made a lot of mistakes — but I am a good person, and I will persevere.
"If I have a "problem," it is that I am only 23 years old — with a lot left to learn. I've come a long way from those mean Fondren (Houston, Tex.) streets, but it's clear that I can be a better me — one who kids coming up to me for selfies and autographs can be proud of. I want that future for myself. And I truly believe that what I am going through right now will only make me stronger. I believe that my future is bright.''
He wasn't in trouble for simply drinking, he was in trouble because he was in stage 3 of the nfl protocol, AND agreed to not drinking, per protocol, after his dui.
We're talking about a child's game that adults get paid stupid amounts of money to play for the purpose of entertaining the masses.... it isn't anything so serious that it requires a hardliner stance for something so minor.
When someone has shown that when given an opportunity over and over again, only to screw up time and time again, it shows a pattern as a screw up. When you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. When you make the same mistake over and over, it's no longer a "simple mistake", it's a pattern of irresponsible behavior.
Now on a personal level it has zero impact to me. But what I'm not willing to do is ignore the evidence to base my expectations on. I just think any reasonable person wouldn't expect any better results than what we've seen thus far.
And actually, my comment about trust and respect being earned? That applies to everyone I encounter. Not just Josh Gordon. But Josh has given reasons over and over not to trust him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I think there was a snitch on that plane, wasn't it full of the wr's and the wr coach? Maybe someone felt if Gordon was suspended their spot on the team was safe.
Huge IF but if Gordon does come back this year...I can't see him amounting to much...He will be the winded out of shape Gordon that returned from suspension when we played the Falcons...guy hasn't stepped on an NFL field in several years...by the time he's rolling...the season will be over with...shame because we was super talented at one point...but he let drugs, syrup, and alcohol consume his life...
Hopefully one of our top picks will be used on our next star receiver...and we can all move on.
I think there was a snitch on that plane, wasn't it full of the wr's and the wr coach? Maybe someone felt if Gordon was suspended their spot on the team was safe.
maybe he should not have put the pic on twitter lmao
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
I think there was a snitch on that plane, wasn't it full of the wr's and the wr coach? Maybe someone felt if Gordon was suspended their spot on the team was safe.
Yeah the snitch was Snap Chat (I'm old so I could be wrong with the name...lol) As they were tweeting or Snap Chatting their little part on the plane going to Las Vegas. Probably Gordon under suspension all his pics are reviewed and they saw, sent agents at the Las Vegas Airport to give him a test right then and there.
Btw does anyone have any evidence that his suspensions have anything to do other than Marijuana, Booze after the DUI or just dumb ass protocol of the NFL policy. ??? If so I'd like to see it cause it would be interesting. jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I think there was a snitch on that plane, wasn't it full of the wr's and the wr coach? Maybe someone felt if Gordon was suspended their spot on the team was safe.
Yeah the snitch was Snap Chat (I'm old so I could be wrong with the name...lol) As they were tweeting or Snap Chatting their little part on the plane going to Las Vegas. Probably Gordon under suspension all his pics are reviewed and they saw, sent agents at the Las Vegas Airport to give him a test right then and there.
Btw does anyone have any evidence that his suspensions have anything to do other than Marijuana, Booze after the DUI or just dumb ass protocol of the NFL policy. ??? If so I'd like to see it cause it would be interesting. jmho
Herein is my issue:
Why did the NFL (whomever that is) feel compelled to rush and test JG right then and there...based on pictures on the internet? Did he harm someone? Did he break a law? Was he in an auto accident? Nope.
Then we have LeVeon Bell who gets pulled over and charged with MJ possession... and admits to recently being high with LaGarrett...and the NFL looks into the matter a year or so later. THEN many months later...he "misses" mandatory drug testing because he got a new phone number. Seriously? Then gets a few game suspension when he should have gotten a full year for what constitutes a failed test.
The contrast in the NFL's "enforcement" in these two instances is astounding.
I think there was a snitch on that plane, wasn't it full of the wr's and the wr coach? Maybe someone felt if Gordon was suspended their spot on the team was safe.
Yeah the snitch was Snap Chat (I'm old so I could be wrong with the name...lol) As they were tweeting or Snap Chatting their little part on the plane going to Las Vegas. Probably Gordon under suspension all his pics are reviewed and they saw, sent agents at the Las Vegas Airport to give him a test right then and there.
Btw does anyone have any evidence that his suspensions have anything to do other than Marijuana, Booze after the DUI or just dumb ass protocol of the NFL policy. ??? If so I'd like to see it cause it would be interesting. jmho
I seem to recall Gordon saying that he thought that his testing ended after the final game of the season.
In other words, he couldn't be bothers to check before having a drink ..... or several.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Incorrect. Oxycodone is likely the addictive medication you take. Since oxycodeine (as you put it), does not exist and is slang drug-user nonsense at best... and since you are quick to attack others who disagree with you and point out their errors, I thought I would point your foolishness out.
Incorrect. Oxycodone is likely the addictive medication you take. Since oxycodeine (as you put it), does not exist and is slang drug-user nonsense at best... and since you are quick to attack others who disagree with you and point out their errors, I thought I would point your foolishness out. Edited by berea (09/17/17 12:47 AM)
lol. The troll had to edit that post.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
NFL has nothing to say about Josh Gordon’s status Posted by Mike Florio on September 17, 2017, 10:11 AM EDT
AP Long-suspended receiver Josh Gordon is due to end a three-month rehab stint in four days. Whether that leads to his reinstatement will surely take a little (or a lot) longer than that.
Asked for comment on the Gordon’s status, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told PFT, “We do not have an update.”
The last update came from Commissioner Roger Goodell, who said in August at a Browns fan forum that Gordon “is not under active consideration” for reinstatement.
This means that an application for reinstatement still needs to be made. If/when it happens, a process with no mandatory timeline and no specific rules or requirements will commence, with the league deciding whether Gordon should be reinstated without any mandates or other factors that would control the process. Basically, the league has the power under the substance-abuse policy to do whatever it wants, whenever it wants.
The league ultimately should want as many young talented players as possible back on the field, especially when the thing keeping the player off the field is completely unrelated to his work.
If/when Gordon, who has missed more than two full seasons under his latest suspension, is ever reinstated, the Browns will have to decide whether to bring him back, trade him, or release him. He has shown a significant degree of ability when he has played, but it’s been so long since Gordon has played it’s hard to know what he’d be able to do.
21 years clean & sober for me.
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