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I don't think you have any choice but to stick with Hue. I think you have to, and I think we should.

But what I think what is most disappointing is fans would just like some sign, some flash, that the team is progressing and competitive. I think fans are perfectly fine with losing if they can see these things. The Browns were completely out played today by a team they were favored against, by a team starting it's 3rd string QB, by a team who likely has the worst coach in the NFL, by a team that many believe is among the worst in the league.

There were no positives in the game. The Browns were not competitive. Their defense, which is where you really want to see signs of progress, was awful. The score was nowhere indicative of what happened in the game. The Browns never had a chance to win this game since about the halfway point of the second quarter.

I think fans just want something to hang their heads on that things will be better, if not now, than later. I don't see any light at the end of this tunnel. I don't think most fans do. That's what is so disappointing.

Even when the game was close hue abandons the run game

Even when the game was close hue abandons the run game

You need play makers on the field .. I was interested in why Duke and the Kid Leslie were not on the field more ?? I have stated before ; Is it politics an ego ( FO and Coaching ) that keep talent OFF the field more ?? Or are they just really that bad at evaluating the talent that they have ..

I admit that I have been a big Leslie Fan .. Went nuts when he was cut and now would like to see him get a fair chance ..I have said since the beginning that Hogan should start .

The worst coach won the game,.

Is he still the worst coach?

I just don't see many, if any, positives right now.

we in the running for the #1 pick in the draft....

Coaching staff let us down again, maybe why we had zero timeouts in the 4th quarter. We can say young team, but I look towards leadership.

Don't worry Eotab will provide about 36 positives in his thread

i understood why Hue used his TO's so early, but disagreed with the decision.

Hue is better than Shurmer, so that is a positive I guess.

I saw a team that if we had some WRs we probably win this game despite the youth. A lot of you seem to be forgetting we have a bunch of young players and new players at that and they are going to take time to come together. Just look at the offense, we only have 2 people who were starters most of last year in Joe Thomas and Crowell.

I didn't really have high expectations this year..i think in the prediction thread i said 0-16 or 1-15.

One thing i have been right about though, that is Sashi Brown and Paul Depodesta absolutely SUCK at bringing in talent to this organization, Corey Colman is a prime example of the the type of talent they will bring in with their Moneyball analytic trash.

I fully believe if Hue Jackson had control of player personnel our drafts would have been MUCH different....honestly, I think Hue takes either Wentz or Goff, or he takes Trubisky, one way or another he would have gotten a top Qb prospect early on.

I also think Jackson would be a little bit more agressive in FA, and if it would have been up to him, Haden, Schwartz, Pyror would probably still be on the team.

I have always supported Hue Jackson because I think he is the best coach we have had in a longtime, but our Front Office is just terrible...you cna even see some of the frustration and anger boiling over form Jackson about the whole Haden thing,.

Hue Jackson has ZERO chance to win in Cleveland as long as Sashi Brown and Depodesta are in charge of the draft, player personnel, and Fa pickups....they don't know how to pick players for Jacksons scheme, and they wouldn't listen to him when he wanted Goff/Wentz so here we are...

The Moneyball guys need go, the sooner the better, don't let them mess up anymore draft picks..keep Jackson and let Jackson help bring in a GM he can actually work with that will help him get the players that fit his scheme, im sure he has quite a few ideas of who to hire as l;long as he has been the league...but Mr. Business Lawyer and Mr. Baseball need to be shown the door, tommorow wouldn't be soon enough.

I have a few post game thoughts, but can't seem to summon the give-a-damn to put it together. With that, I still have to say that I can't recall a game where I saw a team flagged 4 (or was it 5?) times for OPI, and I think to myself for the hundredth time that between the NFL's rules changes and the referees coveting TV face-time, they are making games virtually unwatchable. That roughing call on Orchard, for example, was garbage.

Most undisciplined team out there and all the flags makes me sick. Year after year,

There's regression, but progression.

Kizer is an INT machine.

Backup QB had a hay day on our defense.

Forgot about the roughing call on Orchard . That was over the top Bad !

To have THAT many picks and that much cap space and NOT have a viable WR or play maker is just pathetic IMO

There were too many holes to fill. As far as the WR we had one (Pryor) whom we offered more money than anyone but he chose to leave anyway. As far as Corey Coleman, he is a talent but not a #1 WR and he has problems staying on the field.

Post game thoughts:

-Way too many dropped passes.

-Duke had a really good game.

-Summer has come to an end and I definitely wish I would have went to the beach instead of watching this team lose again.

If we caught those passes that obviously should have been caught, it would have A extended our drives that may have resulted in a score and B kept the ball away from JB who was hot. We probably would have won if not for the drops. But it's part of the game and we have to clean it up. We outplayed them in the 2nd half. It was a winnable game.

I just can't fathom having SO many drops from WRs ... like, that's your JOB

Missed most of the game. Doesn't really matter to me this season. Kizer is going to take his beatings. It doesn't help that none of WRs can seem to catch a cold. No running game. How does anyone remotely think that Kizer can be successful? Just glad I have the Green Bay Packers to watch during the season. Made the decision when I gave up my PSLs to follow an NFC team until the Browns got their act together. I'm not really sure if they ever will. Very disheartening to be fan since they came back. Cleveland fans deserve better. Stay tuned...

Not going to look it up, but I don' think the Browns have covered the spread many times between last season and this season.

I'm going to bet against them every week and root for the other team. I'm going to get joy out of this team one way or the other.

I am openly rooting against the Browns the rest of the season if I make to the casino in time to bet against them which is now my current plan.

Dawgs, If I was Hue I'd have our WR's out there from dusk till dawn catching balls with the understanding that this is the way it's going to be until they improve. Case closed. DK made some good plays and he made some bad ones but 10 drops!! 10 !! that's totally unacceptable. His stats would have been better. It's not all DK's fault.

What's disappointing is that this message is a broken record every year. We've heard this message many times before.

When is it the Browns turn to turn it around?

It's just deflating.

Bone, I'd like to see Dayes more to see what he can do. We should feature more of him and Duke. If Crow wants to walk next year fine unless we can get him on a reasonable contract. If not we can get someone in the draft to replace him. Probably in the 3rd or 4th rd.

is this the 6th straight year that we are 0-3"

I don't think he's = to what Pettine would have been.

But so What. Hue's the Coach.

And for another poster at the top of the page who said, " I think fans are fine with losing if they can see improvements"

Well Me as a FAN is NOT FINE With Losing Any longer.

Not a bad bet, Rish. The Browns are dead least ATS since 2015.

Browns ATS

I would let Dawes start and play a FB. Duke can win out of the slot. Crow has nothing to offer.

Williams defense is getting torched.
Kizer is not that good
Duke is the only playmaker on offense.
This line is not as good as it should be.
Peppers overruns things too much.
Crow is not putting forth full effort.
There are no receivers on this team worth a lick.
Throwing the ball on first and goal is foolish.

This is going to be a team that can't win because of their own doing.

I had hope, but it is gone. Cinci took GB to overtime, there should never be anybody who thinks we should be favored to win. This was the most winnable game on the schedule. If they pull off three wins this year I would be surprised.

POST GAME THOUGHTS?
Okay.....

The Game Day thread is useless for anyone not watching the game. (NFL Ticket is not available in Canada, which sucks). Most of what I read on Game Day is not really informative...

I didn't expect to be 0-3, but is it really a big shock, when you factor everything in?
Such as, a tonne of new starters on O, a young team, rookie QB, new scheme on D.

We might be in for another tough season, there'll be growing pains and most of us knew that.

I wonder if we will reach a point where we give Hogan a shot.... if Kizer isn't getting it done over the next few games, it wouldn't hurt him to be benched for awhile. He wouldn't be the first QB to get benched in his rookie year, then go on to have a good career.

Not saying do if now, but at some point you have to consider it. If it affects him mentally in a negative way, that's on him.

1) Team is hurting at the wideout position. Losing Corey Coleman is no good. He had 5 receptions in the Steelers game which was really the only good competitive football we have had so far. I think it makes everything worse for the entire offense.

2) Defense was hurting without Jamie Collins today. Also it is just too bad they haven’t been able to have the presence of Myles Garrett yet. He is a rookie but as #1 overall pick he is a starter.

3) Kizer can make some nice passes. Think he has potential. Made some real rookie plays. I hope he doesn’t get torn apart by everyone. Might as well give him ample time to develop. He seems to have the physical attributes to do the job. Probably can get some more awareness and fix the rest.

4) Hue looked pretty pissed during the game. Obviously frustrated. I probably looked the same way sitting on the couch at home watching the game. Think the team just needs more talent time and experience. More time to gel and better talent. I hope the owners give Hue at least 3 full years with this team. I don’t know if I can stomach another 2 year reboot which would be just insanity.

y'all should probably chill on coleman.

dude has talent and shows it, but these hand injuries are just freak occurrences.

Kizer has issues. the guys is a rookie, sure. but we've all seen other rookies around the league come in and look way more polished.

but that's ok. i'm not saying he's peyton manning, but i want to remind the board of how many picks dude had as a rookie. if this was 2017, some of you guys would be claiming that manning is trash and needs to sit. sometimes you just have to ride these guys out no matter what. take their lumps on the field.

a lot of you guys said we wasn't gonna win but 2-4 games anyway, so why are you suprised?

right now, we have an OL who can't run block. combine that with Crow who has clearly regressed for whatever reason, which is odd because this is a contract year for him.

while our OL isn't bad in pass protection, far too often we have unblocked blitzers coming in to drill Kizer.

so right there, we have a rookie QB starting and no ground game to help him out, combine with the fact that we have a HC who abandons the run game after game.

our WRs except coleman are all Bums. period. Louis and Higgins are trash, Britt is trash who doesn't deserve the contract he signed.

i was one of the few who said we should've tagged pryor, especially since we had way too much cap space to even know what to do with. i stand by that.

5 drops guys. how on earth is Kizer suppose to succeed when we have 5 drops?

4 offensive pass interference. how on earth is Kizer suppose to succeed when our already bum WR's can't stop pushing off and dropping passes?

and you know why they are pushing off? because they are struggling to get open in the first place.

we once again have a severe lack of talent on both sides of the ball. i wrote all that and didn't even GET to the defense.

but show some patience with Kizer guys. we all knew this was gonna be rough.

And this talk of firing the coaches, IMO, is short-sighted. Do we really wanna go there again?

j/c:

I am going to just talk about the game because all those "positive" posters are reacting just like I predicted they would and they are beyond nauseating.

--Kizer: He held the ball too long. He abandoned the pocket too early at times. He was inaccurate too many times. On the other hand, he maintained his poise for the most part. He was trying to be a leader. He had some very nice throws. He isn't very good right now and he is hurting the team, but he has potential I think he has a chance. And despite the fact that so many had unrealistic expectations and are now assigning blame, this year was never about getting a lot of wins. It's about building the team and changing the culture. We should continue to roll w/Kize.

--WRs: They are pathetic. What did they have? 8 drops? Are you kidding me?

--I am done w/Louis. He sucked ass last year and we heard so much about him this off-season and people got excited, but the dude can't catch. He had 3 more drops today. I would cut his ass now!

--Speaking of over hyped, Peppers sucked again. I am done w/this dumb experiment of him at FS. He is terrible in coverage and in space. He needs to be moved closer to the LOS.

--One more over hyped dude. Gregg Williams? LOL...31 points to the Dolts? How many sacks has this great attack D mustered in 3 games.

--I thought we got a lot of calls today. I didn't read any comments about us targeting. Wonder why? LOL

--Shobert was pretty active and so was Burgess. Kirksey had some nice plays, as well.

--IC had his best game as a Brown.

--Duke was spectacular.

--Devalve was solid.

--The OL did a great job in pass protection.

--I think that some of my biggest concerns that I had before the season are showing up. They are:

--Lack of experience.

--Not enough talent.

--Terrible WR unit.

--Really bad secondary.

--Lack of solid play at the qb position.

Those things are hard to overcome.