DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue Jackson says Browns winning now is 'something you've got to talk to the executive team about'

Agreed. People were okay w/the complete tear-down of the roster. They went on and on about how we were getting rid of players that were part of the problem and how genius analytics were.

Yet, somehow.........they are now upset in year two of a complete rebuild. LOL

I remember them telling me how clueless I was that the plan had problems and that losing so many games wears on everyone involved w/the teams.

Who is clueless now?

Look, I didn't agree w/the plan, but now that we went w/it....you gotta stick to it. Firing people now would just set us back even more.

Agreed 100%. Everyone said we needed a plan. We've got one. We're only a season and a quarter into it and some want to make wholesale changes. That's insane. Constant changes got us where we are right now. I believe Hue Is a good coach. Give him time and some more talent. BB is 2-2 in NE with a D that doesn't look any better then ours. He can't win without talent either. No coach can no matter how good. We signed up for this let's see it through. JMO

I respectfully disagree Vers.

The St.Louis Rams have the 2nd youngest roster in the league and they are 3-1 coming off a big win over tyhe Cowboys.

The difference?

Far better drafting and better Fa moves...Goff was a slam dunk for them, but remember...he wasn't good enough to play for the Browns LOL!!!!!

We suck because we have made very poor choices in the draft and Fa so that's where we are now. our OL stinks except Thomas despite all that money sunk into it.

Its easy to see that our FO and coaching staff are not the right people to fix this thing...they are 1-20 now...that's just absurd...if the Rams can turn things around so quickly there is no excuse why we can't...they have drafted a much better roster then we have, and brought in key FA...oh and took a grand slam dunk at QB in Goff(who we passed on) thats why they have turned things around and we are worse off then we were.

if they can't get 5 wins this season broom them all including the front office and get some actual football people in here that will atleast give us a chance, and a coach that isn't going to force his rookie Qb to throw the ball 30+ times a gam,e while abandoning the run every week....

this thing is a complete train wreck and we need to get off this train and soon...

I don't hold it against people who get all bent outta shape watching the Indy game or the Cinci game. Watching that happen is painful.

But we do need to come back to Earth after a short cooling off period. Making emotional decisions after games like this will lead (has led) to endless rebuilds that get us NOWHERE.

And besides, we should be more used to it by now... :-p

Don't panic and smack the reset button for a whole new reboot. Just gotta keep pushing forward.

The Browns didn't pass on Goff, and he was awful last year. Obviously he is trending up, but it's 4 games.

The Browns made their beds with all their trades. I agreed with them at the time and think they could still be right, but it's not looking as great now. It'll depends on how Kizer develops, and what we do with all the picks next year. I see some development this year, but also a lot of concerns as well. Hopefully the team develops some over the course of the year and paints a clearer picture for next year. We have to stay the course this year, and probably next in my opinion.

Goff sucked big time last year.

Agreed with you when they pulled this move and agree with you now that its a must see it thru thing.

I can't believe people are so upset, did you all think it was going to be easy for the Browns to win this year with a rookie QB. I understand your upset hell one guy on here is talking about how bad Goff was last year and how much better he is this year thats how it works folks sheeesh.

We are way to far into this plan to turn back now, so suck it up most of you signed up for just this, and finally now the reality of it hits you GMAFB

Despite 1-19 record, Hue Jackson defends the Browns’ process

Posted by Michael David Smith on October 2, 2017, 3:09 PM EDT

Last year the new regime in Cleveland took over and promised to build from the ground up, prioritizing future draft picks over winning immediately, with the idea that the Browns might stink in the short term, but in the future those picks would turn into good players who could build a championship team.

They’ve got the “stink in the short term” part down, anyway.

The Browns are 1-19 after 20 games with Hue Jackson as coach, Sashi Brown as G.M. and Paul DePodesta running the front office strategy, and if some fans in Cleveland are getting frustrated, it’s hard to blame them. Sunday’s blowout loss to the previously winless Bengals raises the question of when this team will be good again.

But Jackson said today that he remains confident in the Browns’ front office process, and he said Browns owner Jimmy Haslam is on board with the way they’re building the team.

“Jimmy has been supportive. People think he’s going to throw me over in river,” Jackson said. “There’s pain in this process.”

The Browns have two first-round picks and three second-round picks in the 2018 NFL draft, so they’re going to keep adding talent to the roster. At some point, however, that talent has to turn into winning football if the Browns want people to keep trusting the process.

We were 3-13, tore the roster apart and have built it back up to where we are now more talented and currently sit at 0-4 without any indication of being able to win a game...yet coaching is not an issue. Oh my.

Yes anyone who is thinking the browns passed on Goff probably need to do a little research.

talent? what talent?

On paper (which doesn't win us games) we are more talented. They simply must live up to their potential...

LOL......We are 1 and 19 since the purge. And you want to blame the coaching instead of the roster the FO assembled.

Oh my!

When I read that, my first thought was, something is missing.. something is out of context.. Thanks milk

I'm not placing blame on one single entity. I'm simply stating those who think the blame is solely on the front office are wrong. The fact remains we have a significantly more talented roster now than when these guys came in. So when people say we lack talent to win A GAME they need to wake up. We were further behind the 8 ball and we won 3 games.

We passed on Wentz and DW, which is way worst...

Does it matter the Browns have passed on all QB's for their #1 1st rd draft pick since Tim Couch. It's no wonder we've had such a hard time finding a franchise QB. The Browns just refuse to pick a QB for some unknown reason as their #1 pick, and have traded those picks away for a bunch of picks to get 2nd tier less talented players. Pretty much explians the entire life cycle of the new Browns since 99

I can remember some bonafide QB's we could have drafted that didn't involve our first round pick- Bridgwater, Deshaun Watson among others were good prospects with low risk.

Nate Ulrich is the man.

Damn. Need to change my signature.

One of my favs.

I just listened to the whole Sashi presser. That was tough. Feel like I need boots and a shovel.

As always you have to read between the lines some.

We are sticking to the plan, which was to lose so we can win big later, by acquiring draft picks and by being at or near the top of the draft.

A big part of that is player development. He said exactly what I would expect him to say.

Not ever going to tell you that the plan is to lose.

For all of you, you most of you that is signed up for this don't get discouraged because its hard to watch.

Finally:

Just what the hell did you all think was going to happen when they took the team down to the studs?????

Admittedly, I didn't expect to see a whole lot better, but I did expect to at least give Indy a game.

To me, Indy is the most frustrating. They are a flat-out bad team... and they handed us our butts. To me, that says a LOT. You can look at that game from a bunch of different angles... break it down however you want, but you'll come to the same conclusion. A very very very bad team whooped our butts real bad.

This front office is on over their heads
No other NFL franchise is operating like the Browns are
The plan isn't working plain and simple

He has that Possum in the headlight look after each question.

Looks like Jimmy isn't happy, and he shouldn't be.



Cutting Joe was a big mistake. It caused a ripple effect in the defensive backfield we aren't going to get over for a while. Now we have Peppers 30 yards deep when his skill set is near the line.

How the hell can you bee so out off touch with reality????

Sachi is a complete lunatic

Nothing that he is seing is true... what player are we developing?

Colemon is freaking average, Peppers a nulity playing safety

How does a freaking mediocre WR group develop to even average, when did this ever happen...

Our running games has no bright spots

Our Defense is BAD

WHO ARE THE YOUNG PLAYERS PLAYING AT ELITE LEVEL?

WE HAD THE MOST DRAFT PICKS FROM ANY TEAM, YET OUR DRAFT GROUP IS THE WORST OF THE NFL....

I am not a huge fan of the way our FO was constructed, but at this point.....it is best to stick w/them.


Once again, not sure why so many are surprised we are losing. We blew up the roster.

I thought it was a suspect plan, but it's in our best interests to stick w/it rather than starting all over again.

Maybe, but that hat is pretty cool

How many times have I/we heard this over the years?

Actually the plan is working the plan is to lose for now and win later, I actually think it will work but its not on yours or my time line, but to the degree they wanted to flip things it was never going to be a 2 year thing.

If you or others thought it was you were and are wrong. Losing a game is losing a game by 1 point or a 100 points its still a loss.

Your left with 2 choices quit the Browns or suck it up.

I hate it too, but at this point we need to defend it and stick with it however painful it is... And its plenty of that....

Hopefully Haslim sticks it out cause if he don't this fan is done finished caput.

Agreed. Time to stop blowing things up..........no matter what the dumb ass fans say.

Lol, man! 100 per cent agree.

we will see what haslem thinks at the end of the year. or the bye week...

Haslem, obviously, approved the plan to gut this team and build from the ground up. We have build through the draft a lot, and have had both successes and fails. However, this team is far from a finished project. We have also been missing some big pieces, because of injury. Shelton, Coleman, Collins, and Garret have all been big losses on the field.(for different amounts of time)

If we blow things up again .... I don't know ....

if we do not you do not know either... just saying.

Progress. Signs that they are on the right track. 1-19 is not progress. Not having the lead for a single play this season is not progress. There is nothing indicating the plan is working. That is what most people are looking for and just not seeing.

When was the last time the Browns were not in last place in the division? Too Easy.

When was the last time the Browns were not in last place in the division, and someone other than Brian Hoyer was the regular quarterback.

Bad coaching?

I don't know, but even Terry Robiskie won 1 of 6 and he was thrust in as an interim head coach during the middle of the season.



I wish there was a way to stick with the plan and get whomever is calling plays on offense to get their head around a running game.

If I were in charge, and I saw 80% pass plays this Sunday, (after the results the last 2 weeks)

I Know it would be "Lucy you've got some splaining to do".