All it does is allows the stock to move forward and backwards while you hold your finger in the same position. The recoil of the weapon moves the stock, when it moves forward the trigger is pressed causing it to move back again. It’s also called a slide-fire stock as it slides forward and back. It’s a very simple design that is very effective.
i feel you and thanks for explaining that.
but again, how does he know how to look for it, and how does he get proficient at shooting?
how does a guy with his background all of a sudden become a trained weapons and bomb expert? breaking down weapons and bringing them in like an assassin?
and still, that video doesn't look like the 32nd floor.
i'm not trying to knock down everything you're saying, but so many questions and answers aren't lining up with the type of player this dude was.
While I wonder about the video you posted - certainly doesn't look like the 32nd floor does it? It would be easy for me to agree with your possible scenario/premise.
I've never had any "official" training with weapons. I can break MINE down - it's not that hard really.
And "bump firing" can be learned in your back yard. Well, mine anyway. You don't even need a bump stock, or whatever it's called. Just a belt loop on your jeans. (not very accurate though)
But, as to your overall point, it does make one question/wonder if we're being told the truth, doesn't it?
Portland sent me some videos of people recording the incident. Look, i'm not trying to pretend like i know everything, however, i've trained with a variety of weapons and a lot of this crap simply isn't adding up.
That doesn't sound like an automatic rifle. While i hate dude's policies, Senator Tom Cotton had said something that i agreed with: that sounded like a belt-fed machine gun, or a more military term 'squad-based machine gun'
that sounds more like an M249 or a 240B than a modded rifle.
now obviously i wasn't there, and video can make things sound completely different than in real life, so take what i say with a grain of salt.
however, you can see in the video that it really doesn't look like the 32nd floor.
but even still, the craziest thing still gets me wondering what the hell is going on:
even IF that was a modded rifle, what we have is a 64 year old senior citizen, multimillionaire 1%er, high rolling gambler, with no criminal record and no background in military experience or even weapons training.
a guy who somehow up and decided to book at hotel right around the time for this big concert, who mapped out the area and picked a perfect vantage point to fire upon the crowd? that's some hit man or covert ops type stuff.
i don't care what kind of mods someone has on their weapon. if you don't have any prior experience in handling rifles, then it's hard to believe that a 64 year old is capable of shooting over 550 people at THAT distance, especially with a full auto mod? he wouldn't be able to control the rifle long enough, as again, all reports are indicating the guy had no prior experience with any of this.
i'm trying hard not to lean toward false flag or conspiracies, but all this crap isn't adding up whatsoever.
and then combined with the guy basically had fort knox up in his home....it just seems really odd.
something is going on. and it's far from "just some random nutcase"
Someone on twitter said the shots sounded like a 249SAW as well. Range works. Sound was pretty simillar.
Tough scene here in Vegas. So many people were killed or hurt that at least everyone I know knows someone who was there or knew someone who knew someone who was there. Not many degrees of separation. A good buddy of mine sent his twin young adult daughters and 14 friends and family members to the concert for his daughters birthday. When the shots rang out, his one daughter called him and in a panic told him to come get them. He could hear the gunshots in the background. His other daughter got separated from the pack and they didn't connect with her until 2:30. Amazingly, all 16 made it out without getting hurt. But as he tells the story, he just breaks down in tears.
My sister in law's friend drove in from LA for the concert. He was shot in the leg but is going to be ok.
They are the lucky ones.
But none of them are ever going to be ok mentally.
Fortunately I did not have any direct family or friends involved.
These types of incidents are just insane. They are really haunting when it happens in your backyard.
Swish, I've been wondering the same things you have. Not because of any type of training but just because it doesn't add up. Where's the motive? And if this guy just all of sudden went off the deep end, then I would think he would want to tell the world of his grievances. And there has been no note or anything that I know of.
Scary times.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
Looks like that flashing light from the lower floor was happening well before the shooting.
Also, you have to be careful with early witness reports during events like this. Witness testimony is often unreliable.
A lot of factors. People are running in all directions.. It may seem like some are running as if they did something when in reality they just are getting the hell out of there. Shots can sometimes ricochet and seem like they are coming from different areas. More than anything, people are not in their normal frame of mind, for obvious reasons.
The company I work for did active shooter meetings last year. I’m really glad they did because I think there is important information out there that many people don’t know.
I also find it odd how law enforcement immediately tried to rule out terrorism.
Like killing/injuring over 550people is somehow not an act of terrorism.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I saw this.. knew somebody would post.. supposed it would be you... this guy is such an ass. I'm tired of defending my religion against guys like this who claim to speak on behalf of it... He needs to just shut up and go away.
No disrespect to anyone's religion, but when one of these preacher/televangelist types speak up like this it really makes me not want to believe in religion at all.
I always felt that the God that I prayed to wouldn't pick sides in a political scuffle such as this.
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Swish, not arguing just pointing out my thoughts. I keep hearing about these conspiracy theories and they make less sense than what happened.
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what we have is a 64 year old senior citizen, multimillionaire 1%er, high rolling gambler, with no criminal record and no background in military experience or even weapons training.
Stallone is 70 and still doing action movies. 64 is not that old. We have no idea what kind of weapons training the individual has had. I personally have no FORMAL training, but I have taught myself and practiced at the range for a long time. Youtube can show you military tactics with little issues. Any military film can give you an idea as well.
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a guy who somehow up and decided to book at hotel right around the time for this big concert, who mapped out the area and picked a perfect vantage point to fire upon the crowd? that's some hit man or covert ops type stuff.
They man was a known gambler, and was stated by his brother he would spend weeks at a hotel gambling. He was at the hotel days before the concert. The man was a very intelligent individual. Former IRS agent, accountant, gambler, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a high point and see where a vantage point is. Don't by into the hype of all this conspiracy stuff. Most of the things he did was not more than common sense.
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if you don't have any prior experience in handling rifles, then it's hard to believe that a 64 year old is capable of shooting over 550 people at THAT distance, especially with a full auto mod? he wouldn't be able to control the rifle long enough, as again, all reports are indicating the guy had no prior experience with any of this.
The shooting was not consistant, he was going from rifle to rifle, so there were pauses. Your also not considering there were thousands in a crowd.He was in a building, he didn't need to aim, all he needed to do was to point and spray. If he was highly trained spec ops, he would have had much more precision when it came his placement of rounds. He would have used a much more precise rifle. It was just pointing and pulling the trigger, knowing he would hit something due to sheer mass of the crowd. He wouldn't have need to control the rifle, at all actually.
From what I understand, it wasn't a full auto mod. It was a stock that makes it easier to operate. Still was a semi auto. But as someone else pointed out, the replace the stock on that weapon, just about anyone could do it. Again, a 5 min youtube search and a screwdriver is all you need.
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i'm trying hard not to lean toward false flag or conspiracies, but all this crap isn't adding up whatsoever.
Not trying to be rude, but try harder. This was a very intelligent man. Gambler who thinks about odds all day long. Plays odds all day long. Reads others faces all day long, and makes deductive reasoning calls based on those observations. This was a former IRS agent, who dealt with numbers all day long. Processed percentages, all day long. Filled out complicated forms etc all day long. The forms he would work with all day long, would have to be thorough, on point, and well documented. When you factor those thoughts in, it is not that far fetched to see how he could have planned and set this up.
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something is going on. and it's far from "just some random nutcase"
I think he is just a "random nutcase" but a nutcase that was educated, smart, and thorough in his details.
I also find it odd how law enforcement immediately tried to rule out terrorism.
Like killing/injuring over 550people is somehow not an act of terrorism.
Its terrorism, that's not the question. We are parsing words I think with the media. This was domestic terrorism. They ruled out terrorism as non-domestic. When something like this happens, I think the first thing you do is try to rule out if it was you know who. if this was them, I think you would have much more alarm and hysteria, as people would feel less safe. ruling that out makes it more of a isolated incident as opposed as an act of war against the US population.
This whole situation doesn’t add up. IMO, it doesn’t matter how many people are there, you still have to have some sort of practice to pull something like this off.
You still have to be able to break the weapon down and out it back together. You still have to know how to use attachments to your weapon in order to use it proficiently.
And he bomb materials he has only brings up another list of questions about who this guy was, or if he was the only one involved, or just the decoy and/or plant.
Gambling doesn’t equal tactical scouting of vantage point. That’s a reach bro sorry.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
This whole situation doesn’t add up. IMO, it doesn’t matter how many people are there, you still have to have some sort of practice to pull something like this off.
You still have to be able to break the weapon down and out it back together. You still have to know how to use attachments to your weapon in order to use it proficiently.
And he bomb materials he has only brings up another list of questions about who this guy was, or if he was the only one involved, or just the decoy and/or plant.
Gambling doesn’t equal tactical scouting of vantage point. That’s a reach bro sorry.
Again, everything you are saying can easily be found on the internet, and for someone with his intelligence, would not be far fetched to figure out. For all we know (which to know is not much) he has been planning this for years.
I don’t know what the technical difference between an automatic and non automatic weapon is.
But you will tell me that the sounds from that room were of a non automatic weapon, I would tell you that your definition is technically wrong.
My heart is saddened by this unecessary loss of life.
I hope we fix the problem. As I have said before it is a matter of time, time to fire , time to reload, time to empty the magazine.
Automatic weapon = hold down the trigger, shots come out in rapid succession, often 10+ per second
Non automatic weapon = pretty much everything else. Semi-automatic would mean 1 trigger pull results in exactly 1 shot, no other action needed.
Confusingly, sometimes semi-automatic guns (especially handguns) can be called autos but this is really more short for 'autoloader', a crude way to explain the mechanical function of many pistols.
It's possible he was attaining fully automatic fire with a semi-automatic weapon. This is possible with modification on some firearms, or what it sounds like in this case, a bump fire stock. It's probably best to just Google that if you're really interested, but basically it's a modified stock that uses the recoil of the firearm to allow rapid trigger pulls that would largely resemble an automatic weapon.
I am curious as to the hotel footage. Its vegas, in a high roller suite. I bet they have video in the room, in the bath room, I bet the casino has that place wired to the T. That's what they do.
Yeah I saw he broke one of the windows for a camera to film it and it's like... a sick situation just got sicker. I don't know how else to word it. I just don't know...
Great. Now the LEOs are trying to save face since they caught flack from the public on a slow response getting to the hotel.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Alot of variables and discrepancies seem to be at play here, First the vantage, its hard to determine unless triangulating from spot of fire to spot of impact and effective FOF. For that we need to figure out trajectory, Maximum ordinate. Cone of fire might be a little harder to determine because he was firing at moving targets and I'm guessing probably more just traverse firing into the beaten zone. I don't think there was a second gunner, only question is did he act alone from the question if he was a plant or not and someone else actually did the firing. The telling part is when the ballistics come back and do they match one or more of the weapons found. Most would assume some sort of assault rifle, as alot of what i've heard does sound like a SAW, so determining the exact weapons used will help piece together more. Biggest one is if he used one or more. Alot of people saying they hear breaks in the shooting, was he either reloading, changing weapons, SPORTS, or checking camera feeds. I think he was more in a spray and pray tactic, from the reports people were hit in all kinds of different places, obviously from movement, but purposeful shooting would have alot more consistency in the entry wounds. Could also tell the weapons by matching rifling, whether LH or RH or if he was left or right handed, anyways, before I ramble on all the variables, the bottom line is I think I agree with the posters that don't think he acted alone, alot of logistics and planning had to go into this and an accountant/Real estate guy isn't going to just show up and start shooting people. I did it for a living for 12 years and I can attest to the logistics that would have to be in place to have that kind of impact. Other things like exits being blocked, the lady telling them they were all going to die etc. But looking at it with even an untrained eye, large concert, corralled off event area, people in close proximity to each other, one big kill zone. I don't think we are close to knowing the whole story yet.
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another thing i wonder is if he was using some sort of T&E, from that elevation, and degree down to the crowd couldn't have been more than 13-15 degrees, and just an inch and he'd miss the crowd all together, supposing he wasn't trained, the bounce from the recoil would cause erratic accuracy, if he was right handed, he could have been using a LH twist barrel, rh rifling and rh shooter usually on recoil pull up and right on the shot, and LH would compensate for that, but he'd have to have known that. He supposedly lived in Nevada, plenty of places in BFE to just go and practice firing without much notice.
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And let's not forget that while the kill zone is tight intially, it becomes more difficult to shoot at moving targets once people disperse.
Especially considering this guy has no known background in any if this.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And let's not forget that while the kill zone is tight intially, it becomes more difficult to shoot at moving targets once people disperse.
Especially considering this guy has no known background in any if this.
yeah.. 1" allowed variance, at moving targets...He would have had to know how many rounds he was firing to switch, since once that barrel heated up the rounds would just be shot putting out. Like I said, I think theres ALOT more we don't know.. I guess they found a total of 49 weapons between the hotel, and his two houses. They said something like 5000 rounds expended, so to me I'm thinking either SAW or RPD. And as you know the Nato 5.56 is made to tear through the body because it arrives unstable. But 5000 rounds...crazy
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
And let's not forget that while the kill zone is tight intially, it becomes more difficult to shoot at moving targets once people disperse.
Especially considering this guy has no known background in any if this.
So let's look at this from a logical standpoint. As was pointed out, there are no windows that aren't fixed. They can not be opened. For anyone to shoot from anywhere on the other floors, the windows would have to be broken out.
Secondly, it was discovered that the man owned over 40 guns of various types. So you don't believe that he had any training in how to use them? Now if you mean documented training that may be correct.
When Clinton was president there was a ban on importing assault weapons. I and some of my friends saw this coming before it was actually enacted. As such, I invested in several of the AK SKS models. The ammo was dirt cheap by the case as well. If you don't believe that I became very efficient with that weapon you would be fooling yourself. Yet if you looked for evidence of training, you wouldn't find any.
And these bump stocks you mentioned? They are quite common and sold in many gun stores. Here's what I've found. Once you immerse yourself within the gun community, you learn things that are common within that community. Even converting a semi-auto into a fully auto was something I could have easily done in the 90's. Was it illegal? Yes, it was. But that didn't prevent people explaining how to do it and making the parts available to accomplish it. I mean drugs are illegal, right? But it's certainly not hard to get them.
Nobody is going to own over 40 guns and not have training on how to use them.
I could have easily accomplished the same thing this guy did if I had been so inclined. The military isn't the only place to be trained and a lot of people keep that on the down low.
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but i'm combining all evidence instead of just looking at the weapons.
he had all these weapons plus bomb making material.
also, this:
Stephen Paddock, the man whose Las Vegas shooting rampage killed 59 people and left more than 500 injured, bought 33 guns in the past 12 months, a federal official said Wednesday.
now pit, i made it clear before that you don't need military training for this, but some sort of weapons training at the very least. so i dunno why you felt the need to mention that if i already clarified that in previous post.
however, to buy that many various weapons in the past 12 months, get proficient at all of them, learn how to do surveillance and scouting, learn how to use vintage points, know to have cameras set up to prevent a LEO ambush, be able to shooting hundreds of moving targets from that distance, have bomb making material, all at the age of 64 with no prior experience and a background not even close to adding up to all of this?
i find it extremely hard to believe that a guy can pull all of that off and NOBODY in the area knew about it.
THAT'S the thing. nobody knew about this. they keep interviewing various people and nobody even hinted at him being capable of something like this.
that means he was training all by himself using your points.
you say if you immerse yourself in the gun community you'll learn a lot. but the guy, from reports, wasn't a gun enthusiast prior to the last year or so.
that's a lot to get really good at in a 12 month time span. maybe you guys on this board are just that smart, but it took me quite a while to become a really good shot. but maybe i just suck, i dunno.
sorry but this whole situation is sketchy at best, a complete conspiracy at worst.
i don't know that many 1%er who just up and decides to go on a murderous rampage. but i don't know any 1%er, maybe y'all do and it's normal, i dunno.
all the facts haven't come out yet, so maybe he did practice on a regular. but somebody would've known about this, and nobody has spoken up yet.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
and then on top of all that, as i previously stated, shooting MOVING TARGETS (people) from that distance with a full auto rifle is not something you can just pick up on the spot.
if you been to a gun range, you know there's plenty of people who have a hard time shooting a stationary paper targets at a close range. nevermind people who are actually moving in a panic state from hundreds of yards away from a 32nd story building.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
and then on top of all that, as i previously stated, shooting MOVING TARGETS (people) from that distance with a full auto rifle is not something you can just pick up on the spot.
if you been to a gun range, you know there's plenty of people who have a hard time shooting a stationary paper targets at a close range. nevermind people who are actually moving in a panic state from hundreds of yards away from a 32nd story building.
You are talking about hitting a specific single target though. There's a big difference between that, and spraying random shots into a heavily crowded area.
I think you are giving the guy way too much credit. He supposedly videoed the whole thing too, so if that comes out, then a lot of this conspiracy stuff is going to go out the window.
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