DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Isaiah Crowell questions the Browns' playcalling only 'sometimes,' but thinks about getting paid 'all the time'

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I think Crow and Duke are good enough. Our problems on offense are not due to the running backs.

It's Hue, He's too busy to be creative on offense. He very mediocre and predictable. He needs to look at KCs offensive strategies.

LOL........maybe you should look at KC's offensive personnel.

I think Duke and Crowell might be 'good enough' - but from watching at the game yesterday, Crowell is nothing special and doesn't show any suddenness or explosion that would make you pay special attention. Duke seems to create plays and makes defenders miss but I don't think he's an every down back. No doubt both would look better without 8 men in the box and lined up less than 6 yards deep.

First of all, Hue started the wrong QB 5 times this year. Hogan could have won us at least 3 games but Hue's play calling, clock management and a host of other inadequate decisions has killed this team. Our team isn't as bad as Hue makes them look!!!

Even with Hogan in there - Jets had 8 men in the box and close to the LOS on many plays.

Did Hue sleep with your wife or something? ... u sure act like he did ...

Lol....

But at the same time after the laughter has passed, can you really debate with him on what he said there? Hue is not doing a good job and it, possibly, may not be just the talent pool but he himself. It could very well be both, too, which is even more acid because we need the HC to know his crap, the game and etc with such a young team so-to-say. Especially one that thinks he can play the OC role too.

Thank you!

*L* .... are u for real here? .... not only can i debate him i can make a WAY BETTER CASE FOR HIM BEING WRONG than U or him can make for him being right ...

Care to indulge ... let me know .... I'll have a discussion with u about it ... Tony .. not a shot in hell .... if u want to pretend he don't hate hue for some reason and this is just about this particular post ... be my guest ... ill look at the entire picture ....

And I'm no fan of hue .... he has made his share of mistakes .... some blame hue for things that aren't even close to hues fault .... there bad enough .... tony makes them look like thy love hue with how far he goes with his BS ...

I seriously can't believe u defended his crap ... oh well ...

Let me know if u would like me to take his BS apart .... id rather not spend the time but will cause your a good dude ....

GO COWBOYS

Oh wait .... wrong thread ... *L* ...

I don't hate Hue. He's a fish out of water. He is an assistant at best. He is a good mentor and team player but no way is he head coach material. He has too much EGO which is attributed to an insecurity issue somewhere. We need a coach people!!!

it's funny how his play calling everywhere else was perfectly fine until he got here. now all of a sudden he's trash and needs to be replaced, according to some on this board.

Hue ain't the problem. lack of playmakers is the problem.

he made Andy dalton look like a future GOAT with AJ green, jeremy hill, Benard, that one TE they got, and that line.

but we don't have a dalton, and we don't have anywhere CLOSE to an AJ green.

I hated his play calling in Cincy. They should have beat the steelers easily twice but he blew that. He had all those weapons but still looked mediocre. He is no good!!!

Hue wasn't HC there .... u want to compare the talent level at both places ... thats fair .... then also be fair about the fact that Hue has LOTS MORE RESPONSIBILITIES as HC than he did then witch means he doesn't have the same amount of time to spend as OC ...

The talents not apples to apples, no doubt .... but neither is the time Hue has to spend on his OC duties ...

And theres the hate shining through ...

Hue did such a horrible job there he was the hottest HC candidate on the market two years ago ...

I'm not defending anyone, or asking to be defended, just merely talking. But you say yourself:

"And I'm no fan of hue .... he has made his share of mistakes ...."

That's the point. I may not make or put it so bluntly, but the mistakes are and have been adding up.

I get we tore it down.

I get he's a rookie coach.

I get rookies, including the QB, exists.

I get the situation is and would be tough with patience needed.

I get all this. But we're a team that's on the regression with added money and added draft picks. Whether you want to see or admit, that's true.

It's not just playing Kizer with his consistent failing and not improving. It's not just about he didn't call/called a bad timeout that one time or that other time. It's not just about how his talent pool is so low and etc. It's just a bunch of things that's begun to add up to me.

I mean bluntly and lastly said, I knew we'd be a losing team with a losing season before preseason and accepted that. I, however, needed to see some improvement. Our team is worse than last year. JMO, we're a worse football team. If we want to win, put the best people out there for us to do that, Kizer would've sat awhile ago. Each and every time Hogan has came in, the offense has went from sputtering to clicking.

Not trying to fight or try to defend anyone, that's all me there as was before.

Depends on who said he was the hottest HC candidate and why!!! Who bought into that lie. Not me!!!

I feel you on that but he’s still the OC calling plays. His play calling skills didn’t just vanish. We see examples of HC’s calling their own plays right now and it works, but the talent level on those teams is ridiculous.

Andy Reid has Alex Smith and so many playmakers.

O’Brien has deshaun Watson and so many playmakers.

That one rookie HC for the Rams is killing it right now. But he has Goff and so many playmakers.

Hue doesn’t have any of that.

Look at the bright side. We're on track for the #1 overall draft pick.

Anyone know who calls the plays for Green Bay? Anyone know who their head coach is?

I agree that they didn't just vanish ... no doubt ...

Thing is he spent all his time with the O ... now he doesn't have as much time to spend with them witch means he isn't as close with them and not working with them as much .... theres not as much attention to detail ... things could slip through the cracks easier ....

On game day ... same thing ... used to be 100% of his time was spent with the O ... not anymore ... when the d's on the field he'd be looking at pics and going over stuff with the guys ... now he's watching the D and overseeing that ...

Its not even close to being the same thing ...

U dont agree with that? ...

We see examples of HC’s calling their own plays right now and it works, but the talent level on those teams is ridiculous.

Some can do it, others cant ... and right now Hue is SUCKING ASS at it IMO ... ok, thats hyperbole ... i dont think Hue is doing a horrible job but theres definetly some things that should be questioned and cant just be written off as a lack of talent ...

Just trying to be honest here ...

Andy Reid has Alex Smith and so many playmakers.

O’Brien has deshaun Watson and so many playmakers.

That one rookie HC for the Rams is killing it right now. But he has Goff and so many playmakers.

And theres the double edged sword portion of your argument ...

Are they great play callers or is it just because they have the talent to execute the plays ... is talent what separated Bill O'Brien last year from this year or did he just have an off year last year? ... cause he "sucked" as a play caller last year ...

Bruce Arians is my favorite example ... when he was here everyone crucified him ... i defended him, said we had no clue if he was any good or not but IMO the plays he ran for the "talent" we had seemed to make sense ... then he leaves here and goes to Pitt and all of a sudden ... BOOM ...

Look ... I'm not saying that Hue is a BUM or a bad play caller ... hes proven over the years that he can get the most out of his talent ... year in and year out at every step he's had productive O's ...

Since he's been hear, hes been very underwhelming IMO ... and like u said its not because he all of a sudden got bad at it ... so there has to be another reason ... obviously the talent level isn't the same but that don't explain why he abandons the run way to early on probably 90% of the games we've played since he's been here ...

Then there's one or two play calls a game that just make me go .... WHAT THE F WAS THAT ... like when McCown had a bad shoulder and we'd all ready lost our starter thats week and he calls a true college QB option play .... are u for real? .. everyone has moments like that ... but he seems to have one or two a week ...

Last week there were two of them ... one was the 4th down debacle ....

I would have kicked the FG ... but i have no problems with him going for it ... NONE ... if we fail we have them pinned deep and our D had completely shut them down up til then ... obviously it didn't work out with our O or D ... hindsights 20/20 ... no problems with that decision ... although i do have a major problem with how he arrived at it ...

The play call however ... please ... that made ZERO SENSE ... not in that area of the field and not with as atheletic of a qb as we have ...

I dont want us to even be talking about firing hue at this point much less doing it ... im ok for now with him not hiring an OC .... im starting to lean towards him getting one but if I were running the show that'd be an off season discussion if i felt it were needed ...

I also realize he has ZERO TALENT here and that puts skin burning tight handcuffs on him ... but no way does that excuse him abonding the run way to early every week or the one or two brain farts he has or IMO the fact hes not helped Kizer at all ... and no ... before u all go off an a tangeant ... im not blaming Hue for Kizer's play ... but his play calling has certainly not helped ... did u see how the bears helped Mitch out with roll outs and quick short throws to "ease" him in ...

His overall handling of Kizer ... *LOL* ... not sure he could have handled this worse ....

Mike McCarthy ...

This is a fun game ... i think I'll try ....

Does anyone know who called two posters racist and didn't let us know who they are? Does anyone know who has made defending Hue no matter what and calling the rest of us clueless the theme of 96.2% of his posts over the last month?

How'd i do? ...

And i was right .. that was fun ...

LMFAO ..... Good one