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One other MAJOR thing Kizer (like all rookies) needs to work on is scanning the field. He has missed so many wide open receivers so far it's not funny. It happens to every rookie, and many vets. It's just another thing he needs to be able to do, BUT only time will tell if he can.

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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
One other MAJOR thing Kizer (like all rookies) needs to work on is scanning the field. He has missed so many wide open receivers so far it's not funny. It happens to every rookie, and many vets. It's just another thing he needs to be able to do, BUT only time will tell if he can.


Is the front office going to give Kizer the time to develop?

OR, will they panic and draft another QB in the 2018 draft?



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One other MAJOR thing Kizer (like all rookies) needs to work on is scanning the field. He has missed so many wide open receivers so far it's not funny. It happens to every rookie, and many vets. It's just another thing he needs to be able to do, BUT only time will tell if he can.


Is the front office going to give Kizer the time to develop?

OR, will they panic and draft another QB in the 2018 draft?



If the team evaluation of the QB is better than Kizer, then yes. Why the hell wouldn't they?


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I don't think drafting a qb is panicking. In fact, I think they need to bring in another qb, whether it be a FA or a high draft choice.

I really wanted Jimmy G, but I have kind of given up on NE's willingness to trade him.

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Originally Posted By: mac
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
One other MAJOR thing Kizer (like all rookies) needs to work on is scanning the field. He has missed so many wide open receivers so far it's not funny. It happens to every rookie, and many vets. It's just another thing he needs to be able to do, BUT only time will tell if he can.


Is the front office going to give Kizer the time to develop?

OR, will they panic and draft another QB in the 2018 draft?



Panic? Are you being serious? The FO would be wildly irresponsible if they did NOT choose a QB in this draft or acquire a PRIZED VET with the way Kizer has played thus far.

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I don't think drafting a qb is panicking. In fact, I think they need to bring in another qb, whether it be a FA or a high draft choice.

I really wanted Jimmy G, but I have kind of given up on NE's willingness to trade him.


The thing I find interesting and something to watch with the Jimmy G situation is that the guy wants to start somewhere and the clock is ticking. He's not getting any younger. It wouldn't surprise me if he asked the Patriots to trade him. I would if I were him. Take control of his career before it's too late.


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Yeah, that is why I thought the Pats might trade him before last year's draft. I think they received some decent offers. I now think they will tag him w/the plans to make him the starter sooner rather than later.

I have no facts to support the above. Just speculating.

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One other MAJOR thing Kizer (like all rookies) needs to work on is scanning the field. He has missed so many wide open receivers so far it's not funny. It happens to every rookie, and many vets. It's just another thing he needs to be able to do, BUT only time will tell if he can.


Is the front office going to give Kizer the time to develop?

OR, will they panic and draft another QB in the 2018 draft?



If the team evaluation of the QB is better than Kizer, then yes. Why the hell wouldn't they?


Look at the support our front office gave to their young QB.

First, perhaps the best QB tutor in the NFL, Josh McCown, the Browns front office gave him the boot. The front office knew they were not going to keep Osweiler, so our front office thought Hogan and Kessler were good enough to help tutor a young QB.

As I said in another thread, another factor was Kizer beating out both Kessler and Hogan for the starting QB job, thus Kizer was thrown right into the fire, with very little support from his fellow QBs.

Then we have the WR chore Kizer was handed...Cory Coleman breaks his hand...bringing in Kenny Britt for Pryor blew up in the front offices face...Britt has been a great influence on our young WRs...the rest are 1, 2 and 3 yrs of experience.

TEs...young and inexperienced...

So, let's blame Kizer for not producing miracles.

I don't care if the Harvard Boys panic and draft another QB or not...if they don't support our young QBs any better than they have this season, don't expect miracles next season, either.


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I don't think that Kizer's problems have anything to do with "a lack of support from the FO." That is a huge stretch and it sounds as unfair as the claims by the anti-Hue crowd.

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Until you know you have your QB, you need a QB. It's really that simple.

And let's look at the worse case scenario. We draft a QB high, (high in the draft. Not a QB who is high.). Both the draft pick and Kizer turn out to be very good.

What a terrible dilemma. We would be in the same position New England is now. A franchise QB with a back up that you can get multiple high picks for.

The only thing worse is that neither of those QB's pan out and we're in the same position we are now.

You never lose by having too many good QB's. You only lose when you don't have one.


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well you spidey sense I remember back in the day was all in on RGIII

Although nobody is perfect I will have to defend myself on his one. RG3 played great coming in lest you forget...and that was as a rookie.

He was then played injured, and not just a nick injury but for the sake of a playoff run.

After which he became DAMAGED GOODS and was never the same.
So your nananana nanner about my spidey sense is predicated on the product out there now. Not on the product that he came in and tore up the NFL as a rookie wink

Spidey sense still good...lol laugh


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Originally Posted By: mac
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
One other MAJOR thing Kizer (like all rookies) needs to work on is scanning the field. He has missed so many wide open receivers so far it's not funny. It happens to every rookie, and many vets. It's just another thing he needs to be able to do, BUT only time will tell if he can.


Is the front office going to give Kizer the time to develop?

OR, will they panic and draft another QB in the 2018 draft?



I don't see how drafting or signing a FA QB could be viewed as panicing.


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Until you know you have your QB, you need a QB. It's really that simple.


Exactly. That notion has been the rallying cry by everyone in the decision-making process ever since they got here. They will search-for and select/obtain QBs until they are certain that they have THE guy. Just like it should be. That won't change with this group or any other group we bring in worth their salt.

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Originally Posted By: eotab
well you spidey sense I remember back in the day was all in on RGIII

Although nobody is perfect I will have to defend myself on his one. RG3 played great coming in lest you forget...and that was as a rookie.

He was then played injured, and not just a nick injury but for the sake of a playoff run.

After which he became DAMAGED GOODS and was never the same.
So your nananana nanner about my spidey sense is predicated on the product out there now. Not on the product that he came in and tore up the NFL as a rookie wink

Spidey sense still good...lol laugh
hahaha, you just threw out a "nanananana" at me. Love it.

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If I was Hue I'd be screaming for JG or Cousins at any cost and if they refuse to make a serious effort then I would resign and tell the world that it's impossible to be a HC when the front office refuses to get serious about getting the team a QB.


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I’m guessing Cousins all ready has a wink and nod deal in place with SF ...

JG may be traded for a hefty price .. but i doubt it .. they would have done it last year instead of waiting ... its not like trade value is going to increase this year and they could have had Brissett as their back up ...




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If I was Hue I'd be screaming for JG or Cousins at any cost and if they refuse to make a serious effort then I would resign and tell the world that it's impossible to be a HC when the front office refuses to get serious about getting the team a QB.


I think Hue would have a hard time ever getting a HC gig again if he did that. Especially over two specific QBs that we have very little chance of getting.

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Remember when the FO was being criticized for letting Buster Skrine go ??



By now you’ve heard the cries from Jets fan following New York’s horrific loss to the Dolphins Sunday.

“Bench him! Cut him! Trade him!”

Those are just a few of the phrases Gang Green’s faithful fanbase may have thrown Buster Skrine’s way. The embattled cornerback was torched up and down the field against the Dolphins Week 7, repeatedly giving up big plays or committing penalties. He looked overmatched and lost.

Skrine gave up eight completions on eight targets for 122 yards and three touchdowns against Miami. On the season, he is allowing a QB rating of 125.0, according to Pro Football Focus.

Todd Bowles blames Jets CB Buster Skrine's technique for poor outing
He’s been a colossal disappointment since joining the Jets in 2015.

When a player is single-handedly hurting the team like Skrine was against the Dolphins, the easy solution is to take him out of the game. Only, that wasn’t an option for Todd Bowles thanks to general manager Mike Maccagnan’s mismanagement of the roster.

Bowles couldn’t bench Skrine Sunday, nor can he next week against the Falcons, because the Jets don’t have a replacement.

Skrine is the only slot cornerback on the Jets’ roster at the moment.

Maccagnan traded backup Dexter McDougal to the Eagles in the preseason and practice squad call-up Xavier Coleman is injured at the moment.

So where is Bowles to turn?

New York released Marcus Williams weeks ago, Darryl Roberts and Juston Burris are strictly outside corners and the Jets aren’t going to move Morris Claiborne, who’s playing terrific football. There are no options on the horizon either. The Jets are stuck with Skrine for better or worse.

On the bright side, he can’t get much worse.

http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/25/blame-jets-gm-mike-maccagnan-for-buster-skrines-struggles/


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The thing I find interesting and something to watch with the Jimmy G situation is that the guy wants to start somewhere and the clock is ticking. He's not getting any younger. It wouldn't surprise me if he asked the Patriots to trade him. I would if I were him. Take control of his career before it's too late.

I'm surprised he didn't do that a year or so ago when Brady made the announcement that he wanted to play 5 more years...

I mean, dude is only 25 right now so next year or the year after probably isn't a big deal.. but I'm sure he'd like the chance to start before he's 30.


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LOL........may I ask why you put that article about Buster in a thread about the FO getting a pass or not?

I'm confused. Seems like it should have went in the "Other Games" thread in the Game Day forum.

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LOL........may I ask why you put that article about Buster in a thread about the FO getting a pass or not?

I'm confused.

Buster is one of the guys some thought we should have tried to keep over the last couple years.. him and some others we let walk are part of the discussion of how this FO is really doing..

But then I'm pretty sure you knew that.


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No, I didn't. I thought he left when Farmer was here. Maybe I'm wrong about that?????????????

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He also played some really good football his first year with the Jets, iirc. Jets fans were elated that they got him.

It's actually good to hear that other teams' fans can turn on players just as quickly as us.


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doo you remember all the criticism of the Front Office about letting Buster go ?? That is why the article was put here.


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Yes, but I think he's saying that was under the previous regime with Ray Farmer.

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