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That game sucked...2 less that mediocre teams trying to hand a victory to the other. There were no entertaining plays, no touchdowns, few sacks, no great catches or runs. Just a few decent plays strung together to pull a team within field goal range every once in a while. And Joe Thomas went down.

I must be mentally ill for subjecting myself to this.

--Wish a speedy recovery for Thomas.

--Run defense is very good.

--I've never seen a team blitz so much without getting to the QB.

--Browns can't win because they don't have a QB.

--I never at any point thought the Browns would win the game.

--Instead of betting against the Browns this week, I took the under at 43 points.

The team seems to fire when a QB sparks. Problem is all our QBs are fouled...

I guess I am not so much gloom and doom. I thought they had more "good moments" than usual. Its just that their bad moments cancel it all out.

Kizer played well up until the point his wheels came off.
I think he has some mental hurdles. More than physical ones.

D played alright. Was Garrett not playing today?

I dunno, this game was more fun for me than usual. I guess because it wasnt a blowout.

Fire Hue Jackson.

The rest of this season looks bleak at this moment. The trade deadline is Oct 31 @ 4pm but I don't forsee any help out there...

First, hope Joe recovers, but looks like he's done for the year. sucks and wish him the best.

So, Kizer calls a players only meeting for the offense, only to be completely offensive.

Kizer is so bad, i feel like he's violating my constitutional rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

as i said during the offseason, why or why would we draft a QB who got benched in college for being bad? So IMO, if Hue survives the offseason, yanking him at half told me that he doesn't really view Kizer as the answer, especially since he wanted Watson in the first place.

then on the other side of the ball, we hear that Garrett will be let loose.

was he let loose, or did he get the leash put back on by lewan? cause Garrett got shut down the entire game.

other than that, this game falls on Hue and the QB's. the defense did everything asked of them. they didn't allow a single TD.

i mean guys, Henry had 13 carries for 13 yards.
Murray had 18 carries for 59 yards.

but our O line is highly paid and highly overrated.

I see posters still upset with crow, but this guy is constantly being met with 1-2 defenders in the backfield.

how is that on Crow? our O line can't run block worth a damn, and now with Joe out, they clearly can't pass block worth a damn.

we have a couple of pieces on offense, but now our offense is the one keeping us from winning games, a complete reversal from last year.

we go to london 0-7, and will probably leave 0-8.

We stink, that's about it

They got to put Kizer back out there, especially in the OT period, he would have given you the better chance.

Kizer is the Future, if you choose to take it!

We could have Peyton Manning playing QB in his prime right now and it wouldn't make a bit of difference with JT out.

We've got nobody on the team able to play LT and I doubt that we find anyone either.

Its pretty telling that the Browns front office built the defense, which clearly has a lot of talent. And its also pretty telling that Hue has no grasp of what the hell he is doing. That includes him not knowing what his players are doing.

I hope to god we leave Hue in England.

I liked the mix up of run vs pass by the Browns offense.

Happened in a game that ended up being an OT game.

Ummm. You ain't going to win many games in the NFL where you score only 9 points.

Kessler should be back in street clothes.
I think Hogan is better.

Hogan ain't as good as Kizer. Get well soon, whomever is injured.

This game was more fun than usual.

I guess because it wasn't a blowout.

I feel like calling this game a "Hue win".

This actually would have to be considered the closest they've come to winning a game all year,

because this is the first game the Browns could have won, that would not have come down to the Browns counting on being able to recover an onside kick.

Which I believe was the case in the 18-21 loss to the Steelers to open the year.

The real loss of the day was Joe.

I'm use to losing games, but not Joe....that hurts.

Post game thought.

I think Kizer is developing, and was developing.

I think Kizer had a chance, and Coach took him out of the game.


Which doesn't make sense, because he replaced him with Kessler. Which, if that "did" make sense, then why was Kessler inactive for the first 6 games.

Something doesn't add up. If Kessler is the answer to come in 2nd half today, then he should have been an answer for some of the first 6 games.

Apparently healthy but not even dressed, since Sept 30,

If Kessler is the answer today, then shouldn't he have been a part of the teams development, or anything for the last 6 games.

((( Put Kizer back in there.

Longterm, everybody else just doesn't have the upside. That should be crystal clear by now. )))

Shelton and Meder have been very good DTs

Our D played well today

Our O played poorly today

Somebody who knows receivers, did we trot our pattens all day? Just hardly running/

I know our defense has had bad games, but there is enough talent to win, at least in the front seven. We need to use all or most of our picks on offense. We need a major infusion.
This office should look at mock drafts and take whomever the consensus says they should take in the first 2-3 rounds. They don't know enough to go off script. QB, 2 WR, RB in the first two rounds.

We've had enough of the this QB is better than this guy talk. We have 3 QBs on our roster, and not one single career win between them. That's all that needs to be said. None of them are any better than the next guy. each has a glaring weakness and the only real hope is that we finally have enough guts to take a QB with our first pick and then we stick with him sink or swim.

Will it be Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold or Lamar Jackson? I really don't know but its about time we finally find the right guy and stick with him.

Note... I fully expect us to pass on a QB in the draft and take an offensive tackle instead.

I got a chance to watch most of the 1st half.from what I've been reading on here,the team played much better than what I was lead to believe.
My thoughts(1st half only)
Hue Jackson may well be an extreme motivator and a players coach,but on the field he is completely clueless.
Early in the game 3rd and 1 he calls a zone left,running behind a rookie TE,not known for his blocking skills,attemping to block Arapko.Yes the former all-pro Bryan Arapko
Someone,anyone please explain to me why any coach would refuse a 15 yard face mask penalty that would have pushed the Titans out of FG range.
Hue needs to get his head out of the play book or get his ass gone.

Just heard, Josh McCown had another good day for the Jets.

and of couse it was a loss, but looked like a better day than his average day here in Cleveland last season.

Another week. Another loss.

At no point did I think we would pull out the win.

The key penalties are pathetic at this point.

Kudos to Gonzalez.

Musical QBs.......again.

Yawn.

I think Hue did a better job of play calling to start the game but then fell into old habits. Reinforces my belief that the HC should not be the play caller. Some long time HC's can handle it but Hue is still a relatively new HC.

I don't think we were able to adjust our blocking schemes to the loss of Thomas. We run a ly where we leave Orakpo unblocked by the LT and try to bring the TE across to block him. Who thought that was a good idea?

Every time Kizer plays, I am more and more convinced that he isn't the answer. He has terrible accuracy and if there are 2 receivers, one open and one covered, he'll throw to the one who is covered.

I don't think we are that far away from being respectable. Our defense needs to improve but it is okay. Our offense is miserably bad. We need a real NFL QB. Add in 1-2 Wr and a top Rb and we guess now a LT, and we are respectable. Not good but respectable. I view that as a 6-8 win team.

Good point re: penalties. We commit way to many. I miss the days of Mangini when we lost because we were old and slow as opposed to now when we are dumb and undisciplined.

The FO didn't build the offense? LMAO...........

Mangini's drafting was pretty dumb so... We do shoot ourselves in the foot every other play that is for sure.

Looking at the post, sounds like same ole. Bad QB play, large amount of drive killing penalties and just seemingly another we shot ourselves in the foot and lost again game.

Do teams even game plan against us?

I will say I saw the Zane kick highlight for 50+. He nailed other kicks too. I will have to eat some crow, I wanted him off the team right away and seemed like he's tearing it up. Hearing Joe went out is also deeply hurtful. I would've turned the game off right then and there.

Post game thought...You can't win them all!

Get well Joe...we'll miss you out there. Can you play with one arm? Might be better than Drango even if he had three arms.

I don't have many post game thoughts.

Watching this team is depressing.

If we had average QB play we would not be a horrible team.

I think Kizer is the worst QB we've had since the return. He is very physically talented, but he cannot use those physical gifts because he makes horrible decisions and/or has horrible accuracy. Because of those issues he is limited to short safe passes that do not win games.

We have the worst turnover margin in the NFL and we are 3rd in the NFL in penalty yardage.. that's like the dynamic duo in how to lose football games. And it was on full display today.

I'm sure the QB debate with rage on... we have 3 QBs, each with strengths, each with glaring weaknesses, each young and inexperienced. So unless there is a technology to combine Hogan's quick release, Kessler's brain and accuracy, and Kizer's arm strength... then we need to just pick one and roll with it.

Someone asked if Garrett played; he had 2 solo tackles, 1 assist, and a sack (he was the first to touch Mariota when he fell down.)

I hate that Joe got hurt.

I thought the D played well. Kizer was getting rid of the ball quickly, throwing to his check downs, and even threw over the middle. Then he threw the first interception and he reverted to his old habits.

Britt was boo'd repeatedly.

There are reports that Kizer was out drinking last night and closed the bar. I'm pretty sure that had something to do with the quick hook. I suspect that he will start in London.

How do we go back to Kizer [again] when we bench him all the time and he doesn't improve?

he was drinkin till 1am..thats a joke compared to jff

it was 1:30 am on friday night, not saturday night. Not that it's MUCH better IMO. It shows that Kizer has an immaturity level that isn't what we need right now. It's not good optics, and you never hear about the good QBs doing it.

It was the Friday night before the Saturday practice. It wasn't the night before the game. We need to be clear on that. However....bad move by the Kize.

As the "leader" of the team, he needs to show a little more leadership.

I get it, he's young. He wants some club time. Cool, have at it, but come 11-11:30, it's time to head home.

Penalties & turnovers!!!!!!!!
We had an offsides penalty on the opening kickoff!!!!!!!!
The clock hadn't even started yet and we were penalized.

I will say, I saw progress in all phases.

I feel Kizer played better. I saw improvement & then he air mails that first int.

I guess we take a QB at #1 next year and let the four of them battle it out. Any chance we sign a veteran and cut Kessler & Hogan????

From what I witnessed, we don't stand a chance without Joe Thomas.

Actually, Kizer was playing pretty well to start the game, wasn't until he threw a ball away to avoid a sack that he had an incompletion.

He was getting the ball away very quickly, and I believe did not take a sack the whole first half. .

I saw garrett get hands to face over and over and over, held etc. I also say him hurry mariotta a few times and get a sack. Did you see MM curl up into a ball when he was coming?

Incorrect, MM didn't "fall down", he curled up into a ball like a baby because Garrett was coming like a freight train and he was gong light him up. It was a deserved sack as MM would have been put out the game IMO if he hadn't done that.

My post game thought was "I wonder if we could convince Coughlin to get back to coaching and Hue would take a demotion to OC."

It will most likely never happen, but it feels like it would give us what we need. Discipline at the top, and Hue back to his competency level.

I think it's fair to say Mariota went to ground because he saw Garrett coming. MG got stopped on an inside rush - pocket collapsed and Mariote sort of rolled to his left a little to get out of the pocket and MG was alert enough to see that, disengage and get round his blocker and was right into Mariota. . . . . it wasn't an amazing feat by MG - but to say he got the sack after Mariota fell down doesn't give enough credit in my opinion.