DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hypothetical Hue/Front office question.

versatile, I saw both those passes and wentz is going to be very, very good. but I do not know who made the decision to pass on him. whoever did should probably be gone. that was a really bad judgement call by our experts. in fairness I do not think wentz was universally proclaimed a franchise guy at draft time but he seems like he is going to be.
I wish we would take a qb in the first round until we get “the guy”.

Depo has been quoted as saying that they did not view Wentz as a top 20 guy.

I think most draft experts had Wentz and Goff as 1 and 2.

I was not one of those guys. I had Wentz ranked 15th and Goff in the late 20s.

I'm a dummy, too. LOL

This is the equivalent of firing Sashi Brown.

It'd be like saying, "Hue you can stay with the team, but we're going to have someone else be in charge of the players, set the practice schedule, and make all the calls on gameday."

last I checked he is still our HC.

Better him than Hue.

But, I think we can keep Sashi. Put him in charge of financial matters. Make him team president if he already isn't.

But, I think we desperately need a football guy to make personnel decisions.

I get that you don't agree and wanna blame Hue for our problems. That's fine. Just expressing my opinions.

J/C ....

We did a total tear-down of the roster. It takes a *few* years to recover from that.

We have 5 picks in the top 2 rounds of next year's draft. The plan all along was to start to compete in 2018, and to compete for the playoffs in 2019. If we tear it all down again, we just show that the Browns cannot follow a plan, and that Haslem is a liar.

I think the process that the front office is going through is smart. If I ran a team I would probably do things very similar to what we are doing now. In general I am a very analytical person. That skews what I think. I think both the front office and Hue Jackson should stay (at this point). Things can change if the players quit on Hue Jackson. In the end, I think Haslam will fire everyone.

And that he is a child.

He will probably make it the whole season if he is not fired this Nov. 5th in the bye week. Just like he yanked Kizer Hogan and Kessler, Jimmy will yank him at the end of the season or sooner. He will make a good assistant QB coach and a mentor to young players for some team that might need him.... Go Browns 2018!!

As with every other regime the Browns have guys making crucial descions
That have no business doing that
Sashi needs.to stick to being the local Poindexter and crunch numbers instead
Of doing his best ozzie Newsome impersonation
Depodesta needed to stay in his fantasy baseball league
I can't believe Haslam was dumb enough to bring these guys on in their
Respective positions
Dumbest f.o in the NFL

I think Jimmy is learning some tough lessons! I believe we will start winning soon. But it won't be with Hue or our 2 FO guys where they are. There will be changes made with football guys running the show. Go Browns 2018!!!

I am not criticizing your opinion. I just disagree.

I am very analytical, as well. And I know that losing a ton of games wears on everyone. I predicted this long, long ago and was called out a lot about it.

Of course, no one seems to remember all of those discussions. LOL

You simply cannot lose so many games and expect things to proceed as planned. Especially considering that Jimmy the Thief is your owner.

Dumb plan overall.

However, I do like some elements of it and I think we should retain those. I just think that it is very important to get someone in here to take charge of personnel decisions.

Not saying I am right and you are wrong. Just stating my opinion and not looking to fight.

I don't think you really have any proof that Jimmy is a Thief. That rebate scam was less than 1% of the total revenue. I don't think He knew exactly what was going on other than they were making money because of the rebate program. We will know more when the culprits go to court on Oct. 30... Just sayin!!

I have far more proof than you do about Hue. LOL

my man your're just guessing Hue will be fired. just like I'm guessing he will be around for quite some time.

we need the qb that wont throw the ints..its not all on hue...

if all is the same next year then kizer is our guy in his second year and he better be on point

Last year, and even at the beginning of this year I didn't think it necessary for Hue to get an OC. Now? I think it couldn't hurt.

It's not because I think Hue has been doing a terrible job per say, but our QB situation needs some serious help. There's not much helping it this season, but I'd be totally fine with Hue being able to spend more time with whomever ends up under center next season and leave the offense installation to someone else.

As for the FO and essentially demoting Sashi for a "football guy"...

I think there is a tendency to focus too much on the players we didn't get/don't have and not enough on the ones we do have.

Agree or disagree with the choice to tear it down to the studs, the fact remains they did it. There is a plan and process in place.

Now in my expertise as a massively unqualified talent evaluator, if this franchise were disbanded today, IMO at least 60-70% of this roster would land a spot elsewhere and see a respectable amount of playing time. Now probably not many more than a handful would be starters, but when we have this level of a talent pool, that to me at least says we've been building a solid foundation.

After this season we'll be entering year 3, and if we keep it all together as stated in your premise, what are we looking at?

Year 3 of a crazy amount of Picks, 5 in the top 2 rounds is it? And based on today, what are our top 3 needs for impact players? I would submit that QB, WR, and FS would be it. After that we're looking at CB, LB, and more WRs.

But we've got enough firepower to get all 3... and WR and FS/CB are positions where if we get a legit player at that position, can come in and make an immediate impact vs. having to wait 2 or 3 years to get a return.

I'm not yet convinced that this FO has a hard time recognizing talent. In regards to QBs, we haven't passed on anyone that didn't have just as many doubters as supporters prior to Draft Day. With respect to the WRs... I have no doubt that analytics says that you can get by with a stable of average WR's... and there are examples of that... our WRs were fine when Flip was the OC... NE rarely has that prototypical #1 type WR. NOW, in criticism of those analytics, I don't think it can account for WHO is throwing them the ball. Obviously Brady makes it happen. But even an experienced QB like McCown can have some degree of success as well. Obviously at this stage we neither have Brady or an experienced QB.

I don't know, for argument's sake, had we taken Wentz... does he come here and elevate our WRs? Do we have a defense while flawed, has shown they can get off the field fairly consistently? Do we find ourselves going in to year 3 only needing 3 impact players with the firepower to do it? It's hard to say.

I just don't see a football guy coming in and deposing Sashi. I could see one coming in to be an advocate for what Hue wants, someone who can spend more time on the FO side of things than maybe Hue can right now?

We also need a QB who we can build a playbook around. I'm starting to believe that the vanilla playcalling (even the trick plays lack imagination) is a result of us just getting the team ready to play with Kizer/Hogan/Kessler after starting the preseason with BO. I don't know, that's just what I'm hoping for.

Y'all keep up the charade. Straight up.............who gets hired if both if are available? Hue in a football related position or Sashi as a personnel related position?

Get freaking real, people!

Sashi being bad doesn't exclude Hue from bring bad.

Our play calling is atrocious. When watching the game Sunday, we ran up the gut on 1st down pretty much everytime we got the ball. No toss, no power, no playaction. Just Crowell up the gut for a yard.

Our quarterbacks are getting worse, not better. Britt is still playing, which is a joke. We scored 9 points to back up a stellar defensive effort.

The FO has earned plenty of blame for this team, but quit acting like questioning Hue makes people stupid or clueless. He has been awful this year.

Go away. I'm tired of you misconstruing my points.

What is there to misconstrue? Every post is about how awful the FO is and how Hue isn't at fault. How people don't know what they are talking about, or how they should "get freaking real."

Hue would get hired first for the simple fact of past success. Do you think he gets a HC job in the near future should he get fired?

You are not telling the truth.

I am now moving to not replying to your nonsense any longer only because if I do, it will be me who is suspended and not you.

Also, I didn't argue any of your points in my original post, so how was I misconstruing anything? I brought up several examples of Hue doing a poor job, and even acknowledged the FO has done a poor job as well.

FYI: Hue was also not "in" on Wentz...and I don't want anyone fired yet.

In every post game interview I've heard from Jim Donovan this year he gets in a comment that the HC is not calling plays that fit the talent he has available. How do you fix that?

he is calling plays that fit the talent.... -4 yard pass, -3 yard run..offsides when its 4th and 1 on defense

This isn't to bash Hue. Help me here, but as I recall Hue was here in part to identify a QB. As I recall, he wanted Goff. Once he was off the table...well, we don't know what happened.

All I am saying is maybe Hue's hands aren't as clean on the QB selection decisions as some might think. Remember how this was supposed to be a consensus type deal? I don't think Hue is as voiceless in the draft room and you seem to think.

I am not sticking up for anybody, not bashing anybody...I am just saying

Now, on to the question.

I don't think Hue needs to bring in a coordinator. I do think he needs to groom someone to fill that role. Do we have somebody in that capacity right now. Who would call the plays if Hue got kicked out of the game? I don't know. Anybody know?

If i was going to make any changes at the table, it might be Berry. He has scouted pro personnel, but not college talent to the best of my knowledge. There is a difference.

As long as this is still a comsensus deal with Berry and Hue having input in the decision, I don't know that we need to change anything. If it has morphed in to the Sashi show, then we need to make a change.

You are correct.

Perhaps the front office has instilled too much power in Hue? He is the guy or at least one of the main guys who is making decisions on our quarterback.

Hue is the one who wanted RG3, Hue is the one who didn't want Wentz, Hue is the one who said "trust me" on Cody Kessler, Hue is the one who bypassed Watson for Kizer.

The one position our front office deemed most important they gave a lot of the decision making to someone they thought could and should have a large say in. Quite possibly the biggest blunder of the front office.

You make things up to fit your agenda. Of course, the mob won't call you on it.

Maybe there is nothing to call. You have any thoughts on my comments?

For real? ... the lawyer/nfl team president knows more about football talent than Hue? ... really?

With the inexperience of our FO .. if what were hearing is true the very first mistake the THIEF made was not making Hue the ultimate decision maker ...

What your saying DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!!!

What's Norv Turner up to these days?

Yeah, do you remember this off season when I kept trying to caution you and others about over rating the roster and predicted y'all would turn on Hue?

How'd that work out?


And did you just say that maybe there is nothing to call? LOL...Dude was making things up.......Again!

I remember. Not much of a prediction. We were 1-15 last year. It was already turning. I also remember in camps when Hue was talking about it being night and day concerning the talent level from last year to this. With comments like that I don't think it unreasonable to expect to see a uptick in wins.

We might still see a uptick. We might pull out a couple. Still half the season to play.

Of course it wasn't.

Do you really believe that you are the only person who knew this roster was young, inexperienced and likely to have many faults? Seriously, do you actually believe that?

Hue is getting grief because of his god-awful game day management. It's the one thing he - and only he - has control over...and he's bumbling it like a rookie coach in over his head.

Did you also caution us that Hue would botch the QB carousel and stubbornly refuse to run the ball while running an offense fit for experienced players and plentiful playmakers? Hue had it going in the first quarter Sunday. Then started the second quarter with a gadget play and Kizer subsequently went in the dumpster after the Q1 momentum was lost. Did you tell us he'd do stupid things like that?

Did you caution us that Hue would take points off the board - or concede points to the opponent - in games we would tie or lose by 3?

No one is turning on Hue...Hue is bringing the heat upon himself. Something you should be quite familiar with on here.

Just curious Mr. Peen ..

What should Hue have said this offseason ...

- its a work in progress, i like some of the acquisitions we’ve made BUT were very young and its going to take awhile to build this so i wouldn’t expect more than 1 or 2 wins? ...

Seriously .... what should he have said ...

I agree. No proof, but I really feel like if Hue wanted Wentz and was adamant about it, we would have drafted him at 2. If Hue wanted Watson or Wentz and was completely overruled, then that is on Sashi/DePodesta/Berry or whoever made the decision. I find it hard to believe that we brought Hue here to help find and groom a QB and then just completely ignored his opinion come draft time. I think the blame for missing on 2 QBs is on everyone involved.

I honestly think that a good QB and another good receiver and suddenly our team is pretty decent. Not saying SB contenders, but our defense is solid, and our running game would be much improved if we were any threat to throw the ball consistently. Right now teams want us to throw because it usually results in an INT.