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What was with him using the walkie-talkie at the end?

As do (likely) most of us. Hue & staff I'm sure, are fully aware of this and will game plan for it. Hard to see us having much success with pocket passing...

j/c

If people couldn't obviously see just how much negative impact losing Joe Thomas was last week, once two QB's are injured by half time in this game they'll know.

I hope Hue has a plan to help Kizer with the blitz.With Joe out I think the Vikings are going to bring a lot of pressure to test our oline.

I think Hue should run alot of screens with Duke and keep a RB or TE in to chip and to help slow down the pass rush that will be coming on passing downs.

Screens are a good idea. Also. quick slants and throwing out of the shotgun.

j/c:

Minni's defense costs $6300 on Fan Duel daily leagues. I don't recall ever seeing a D cost that much for a single game before.

Is that a backup in case the communication to the helmet doesn't work or something?

Agreed. I'd also like to see some toss plays and bootlegs. Anything to help prevent Minnesota from playing with too much go-ahead. Make the aware they'll have to cover every inch of the field.

I'm also a big fan of putting out as many receivers as possible. Tight ends and running backs blocking is a nightmare. Especially with a team like Minnesota as we don't have anyone who can hold them off. Force them in to coverage, however, and we might take some pressure off.

They'll be expecting max protect, so assigning a lot of routes to tight ends, fullbacks and running backs would be a big help. Plenty of 3/4 receiver sets, etc. I worry that too many times we could see max protect result in Kizer forcing the ball to one of one two or three active routes, and Kizer isn't that guy yet. He might be able to diagnose coverages, find his receiver and get it out hot. Putting them in coverage sets could also help give Kizer rushing lanes and breathing room to the flat.

We won't beat them head vs head, but we might be able to find some space if we spread them. I also want to see some deep shots from Kizer. I don't care if it's intentionally deep on an overthrow or to the sideline, but we have to remind them we'll take shots. Keeping those safeties back in deep sets will help keep the under open.

That's a little longer developing than slants and screens, but they'll crush us if we invite blitzing and crowding the box.

What would also help us is if we don't fall too far behind like we have in most of our games. We won't have to pass so much.

No offense, but I think our coaches probably know more about how to attack their defense than we do and I think that their DC probably has an idea as to how we will try to attack them and make adjustments to his scheme.

Play calling is so freaking overrated at this level. None of these guys are dummies. There are a couple of exceptions, but mostly it comes down to execution.

I'm an advocate for Kessler, but I don't think he's necessarily our best chance to win. I think he's our best chance not to lose.

jc..




Duke Johnson says it's tough on DeShone Kizer without a veteran mentor

October 27, 2017 at 7:31 PM
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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
LONDON, England -- Browns running back Duke Johnson joked after practice here Friday he's a grizzled veteran in only his third season, and lamented the fact that rookie DeShone Kizer doesn't have an experienced mentor in the quarterback room.

"For DeShone, it's growing pains as a rookie, and one thing he doesn't have is kind of that older guy in the room, the kind of veteran, the voice of reason,'' Johnson said. "I think with him going through what he's going through, it's tough for him because he doesn't have that guy that he can watch make mistakes and learn from them.

"He's the one out there that's making those mistakes and having to learn from them himself, rather than having someone in the room who he can learn from and we can put him out there and he learns from the other guy messing up, so he's taking it in stride.''

The player who fits Johnson's description to a T is Josh McCown, who was cut by the Browns and is now 3-4 as the Jets' starter this season. Two of McCown's mentees, Kevin Hogan and Cody Kessler, have tried to pass along all of his wisdom to Kizer, but it's not the same as having that player there in the heat of the moment, especially when you're getting benched midway through the game.

But in the absence of a McCown, Johnson and the other "grizzled vets'' try to keep Kizer's spirits up when he's standing on the sidelines in his ballcap, as he has in the second for each of his past two starts.

"We try to keep his head up, keep him with high confidence, because we know it's tough and we know it's tough watching him go through it and he talks to us all the time,'' said Johnson. "We try to keep his head up and keep him focused on the next opportunity.''

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With Kizer confiding in Johnson, is his confidence shaken from the three benchings, including the whole Houston game, which Kevin Hogan started?

"I wouldn't say it's shaken, but outside looking in we really don't know,'' said Johnson. "He can be putting on kind of a front, but as teammates and as one of his brothers, even if he's not going through that we still have to make sure.''

Browns coach Hue Jackson took exception to a question about him benching Kizer after "one bad throw.''

"I don't look at it that way and I don't think he does either,'' said Jackson. "I don't think it's one bad throw that's been the reason why I've taken him out. There are several things that have happened, so I think he's doing everything he can to go out there and play well, and I don't think he's sitting there with the thought process that 'If I don't do this, this is going to happen.'

"I don't think you can play quarterback that way, and I don't think he approaches it that way.''

Jackson believes Kizer has had a really good week after being pulled in the third quarter against the Titans following back-to-back interceptions for a league-high total of 11 this season.

"He was fired up about being named the starting quarterback again,'' said Jackson. "I see growth. I see a guy who's eager to go back out prove he deserves the job. I don't think DeShone wants to feel like we're giving him anything. He likes to earn it. Obviously he has to earn it by continuing to play better throughout the whole game and I think he knows that.''

Jackson and Kizer share the common goal of wanting him to take the final snap this week against the Vikings. He's been benched for all or part of the last four games, including to prevent more hits against the Bengals, and hasn't finished a game since Sept. 24 against the Colts.

In fact, due to his migraine, body preservation and performance, he's played only two complete games this season.

"I want him to play four quarters,'' said Jackson. "That's got to be his goal. That's got to our goal. Our goal is to play consistently throughout this football game and score enough points to win, so that's what we're looking forward to doing. I look forward to him playing well.''

Hogan comes in the 4th quarter.

We all do, but that is entirely up to Hue barring injury of course or a total meltdown. Perhaps pull him for a series if warranted, but you can't keep flip-flopping QB's...

no you can't. kinda irritating.

A veteran is not going to say "hey, put accuracy on the ball" and etc. Duke just finding excuses IMO. I saw the INTs last game on the highlight reel, he's a bad QB. Having a mentor/veteran or not would just mean we have someone else that should be starting over him, regardless how they play because it won't get worse with Kizer.

I'm throughout convinced nothing will help our QB situtaion until we get new, "potentially good/ok" QBs here on this roster.

Also said, McCown had he stayed healthy and had we kept him AND... had we played him (Hue is clueless there) but we would NOT be winless right now.

I was told if Cody started all last game, it would have been a win. I was told this by someone I trust.

Said it before and I'll say it again, we're pathetic.

I'm still in the camp of Hue's play calling is the issue. Now, Vers and I discussed that a bit in another thread, and he had a good point, we're not the most talented team in the league.

So, I'm going to amend my stance to this: I think Hue's play calling, considering the talent he has available to him, is the issue.

There were a lot of rumors that McCown was going to retire and sign on to be our QB coach. However, the Jets offered McCown $6M to play on for one more year, and he couldn't turn that money down.

I think that's a big part of why Josh McCown praised the Browns so much when we came up against the Jets: He really does believe in the Browns going forward, so much so that he plans to be one of the coaches next year.

McCown comes in as QB coach, David Lee moves up to OC.

I wouldn't mind that panning out at all. I really think McCown will make a great coach.

Agreed. I'm a big McCown fan. He's going to make a great NFL coach, and our players love him to death, so he's going to be a fantastic addition.

I genuinely believe that's why we've not signed an OC. A move like that could also be a helping hand in maintaining continuity going forward: I think most Browns fans would feel great knowing we had a guy like McCown on the staff to help tutor the young players.

Especially Kizer, and any rookie we might add in 2018, would benefit. The fact McCown has recently played in our system would be a really unique insight for coach to have.

One thing Hue Jackson has been consistent on since the start of last year, in 2016, it is that he is willing to put in a Quarterback that has only been on the team for, a week or less.

So I'd say, that you "can" keep flip flopping quarterbacks.

NO, it's not a right thing to do, but it is something you can keep doing.

What is this I was told stuff. What is this revisionist history stuff.

You know what happened? What happened, happened, and anyone who says that if's and nuts' would have had a different outcome doesn't know, because it didn't.

A lot of people said that. Cody to start would have won. Noone knows what would've happened, but another case of Kizer probably shouldn't be starting if winning is our goal. One win. Any win. Any how.

I don't think it was a mistake for two reasons:

1. Josh openly said he wanted to continue playing, thus teams knew he was interested. There was always a good chance someone would sign him. I don't think the Browns made the decision thinking nobody would want him. Undoubtedly would have been some hope that everyone would opt for someone else, but it was unlikely.

2. McCown was released in February because we were in trade talks with Houston for Osweiler. I love McCown, but I love 2nd round selections more. That was the right move to make.

Osweiler doesn't have the magic qualities that make McCown such a valued team member, but that 2nd round selection was a huge get.

You sure flaunt your opinions a lot for someone who doesn't even watch the games.

Clueless.

Yep, every move our FO makes is the right move. That is why we are winning so many games.

Goodness!

If I'm clueless, let's describe a lot of your ramblings on here haha. Pointless post. One of many by you. You don't need to watch the games to see Kizer throw them INTs and the details behind it, it's on NFL.com in HD. Redzone nightmare. Stop getting so butt hurt someone shames Hue. Least it wasn't name calling like youre usual antics.

But it's the FO fault he throws them hahaha. It's the front office telling Hue to play him. It's... ahh who cares what you say some of the times haha.

Good night.

I'm not clueless. In fact, I've been pretty much dead on w/my predictions.

You don't watch the damn games, but you sure throw around a lot of opinions. To me, that is the definition of clueless.

Again, the videos and everything are online. Yes, pretty clueless. If my opinions butt hurt you so much, stop reading them. If you got something actually useful to say, say it. Otherwise...

I was really enjoying your posts, it's a shame to see you comment something like this.

Of course not every move the front office makes is the right move, but I'm not going to lament Josh McCown being released as a mistake. We were 1-15 with him on the roster, he'd played in only 13 games across two seasons due to injury and he was standing in the way of a trade that would land us a future 2nd round selection.

Being frustrated with the front office is understandable, go for it, you'll have to find someone else to indulge your wild theory that Josh McCown being a mentor to Deshone Kizer is the difference between 0-7 and winning. I love Josh, but I don't even think his own family loves him that much.

Yeah dude, I'm clueless. And you are a football guru. Also, you are a great human being, as evidenced by your gleeful posts about Flacco getting cheap-shotted and injured because you hate the Ravens. Pffttttt.........

Lol, and you remind me why everyone likes it here so much more when you get banned. Again, another useless post by you. Getting your post count up tonight or something?

Vers, what's your problem? Man, you're mean, and off topic. A lot.

But, you won't see this since you have me on ignore. And you didn't see the post earlier this week, since you have me on ignore. But you replied to it. I don't know how all that works.

Chill man. Relax. Your Mexican wife makes hundreds of thousands of dollars, you have something like 4 homes. Just chill, you have it good.

Great comeback.

Dude, you don't even watch the games. And you are talking like you know what's happening. But yeah, I'm the one talking out of my ass. LOL

And again, your gloating of a player being injured was sickening!

Lol, okay.

Another chance for Flattop to show us something.

Please, show us something.

U still upset over yesterdays thrashing? ... cause u sure do seem grumpier than usual my friend ...