Rodger only gave him to us to screw us out of the #1 overall pick. He wants to make sure the 49ers get it and create that return to Joe Montana level of greatness so they can have huge ratings as dallas and the 49ers duke it out for real again.
Rodger only gave him to us to screw us out of the #1 overall pick. He wants to make sure the 49ers get it and create that return to Joe Montana level of greatness so they can have huge ratings as dallas and the 49ers duke it out for real again.
somehow sadly, I do not doubt this.
Then, I'd say that Roger clearly underestimates our ability to go from zero to full-retard at the drop of a yellow flag.
That said, Josh will come back in for the last five games and we will likely go 5-0 in that stretch.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I find it funny that people want to cut/trade the only legit WR we've had since forever. He's cheap, we have noone else. This is all Win/Win if he finally has it figured out. We hurt nothing by keeping
And what if he hasn't figured it out? We have to sign him long term or we lose him as a FA. It is certainly not all win/win. There is a ton of risk still involved.
I'm pretty sure we have him for the rest of this year and two more years after that.
He was a pick in the supplemental draft. No 5th year option.
Next year is his final year and we'll have to decide this offseason if we want to let him test FA.
I find it funny that people want to cut/trade the only legit WR we've had since forever. He's cheap, we have noone else. This is all Win/Win if he finally has it figured out. We hurt nothing by keeping
And what if he hasn't figured it out? We have to sign him long term or we lose him as a FA. It is certainly not all win/win. There is a ton of risk still involved.
I'm pretty sure we have him for the rest of this year and two more years after that.
He was a pick in the supplemental draft. No 5th year option.
Next year is his final year and we'll have to decide this offseason if we want to let him test FA.
I was under the impression his suspension year/s didn't count under the contract. ?
They do not. Also, this year will not count. He has only two accrued seasons, I believe. We should have him for all of 2018 and 2019 before having to decide anything.... but, I'm going off a very old and bad memory and haven't looked anything up, so I may well be wrong on the 2019 part, but I don't think so.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I hope I'm wrong but I have a really hard time getting behind Josh and his comeback here.
I do not. I hope he stays out of trouble, I hope he has a great NFL career.. Obviously I hope it's here but if it's not, I still wish him nothing but the best.
Yup. Josh is listed as a restricted free agent for 2018.
That is completely incorrect and needs to be updated. He will not accrue a season in 2017. At the absolute earliest, he will not be an RFA until AFTER the 2018 season.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I'm looking at Josh's stats - he definitely accrued seasons in 2012 and 2013. In 2014 he only played 5 games - but was he suspended for all of the other 11?
I do believe that is the season where the team suspended him and Manziel for the last game of the season.... so, I do not think that counts as an accrued season, SO.... if that is correct, he has only accrued TWO seasons on his rookie four-year contract - which means that he is under contract through 2019, after which he will become a RFA.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
They do not. Also, this year will not count. He has only two accrued seasons, I believe. We should have him for all of 2018 and 2019 before having to decide anything.... but, I'm going off a very old and bad memory and haven't looked anything up, so I may well be wrong on the 2019 part, but I don't think so.
That's what I thought......but geez this stuff is convoluted and all kinds of crap.
I just couldn't/can't see where his not playing and not being paid would still count as playing under contract.
Yup. Josh is listed as a restricted free agent for 2018.
That is completely incorrect and needs to be updated. He will not accrue a season in 2017. At the absolute earliest, he will not be an RFA until AFTER the 2018 season.
Ok. Sorry I posted outdated material. Are you sure he won't accrue 2017? I didn't hear about that.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Yup. Josh is listed as a restricted free agent for 2018.
That is completely incorrect and needs to be updated. He will not accrue a season in 2017. At the absolute earliest, he will not be an RFA until AFTER the 2018 season.
Ok. Sorry I posted outdated material. Are you sure he won't accrue 2017? I didn't hear about that.
Absolutely certain. His first game that he would possibly be able to play is the Chargers game. That would give him only five games this season and an accrued season is six.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I think this year and next year would be perfect time to evaluate Gordon.
If we end up winning games because Gordon came back... that's fine. If Gordon is scoring TD's, that means that Gordon is catching passes. If Gordon is catching passes, that means we have something with whoever is throwing said passes. If that's the case, then that 1st pick doesn't become to critical to land our QB.
As much as I'm fine with having Gordon come back and play, I'm just as much not looking forward to when we have to evaluate his next contract. That is when we have a tough decision to make with him. Keeping him on his rookie contract is not a tough decision. We lose nothing keeping him right now. We are simply answering a question by keeping him.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Yup. Josh is listed as a restricted free agent for 2018.
That is completely incorrect and needs to be updated. He will not accrue a season in 2017. At the absolute earliest, he will not be an RFA until AFTER the 2018 season.
Ok. Sorry I posted outdated material. Are you sure he won't accrue 2017? I didn't hear about that.
Again, MY understanding is you need to play 6 games for it to be considered a "year". He'll only be eligible for 5 games this year.
If my understanding of when he can get back on the field is correct.
Yup. Josh is listed as a restricted free agent for 2018.
I think I might be confused as well. I was thinking that he had 3 accrued seasons when he really only has two. If that is the case then I think that is CHS is right and we have him for two more years. All the databases that show him as a FA in 2018 just haven't been updated yet. Overthecap shows the same thing. I think that was making me think he had 3 accrued seasons when he really only has two.
It might be that the one game we suspended him was contested by Josh and since it was from the team and not the league that it still counted since it was a team discipline action and not a league one. I don't know if Josh won that case or not or if it is even ongoing or not. I just know he contested it not counting as a game towards his season counting.
It don't matter though. He will shine enough to cost us the first pick and smoke up a tote to end his career on a final FU to the Browns and his career. His next move will be to invest in pot growing in a state that allows the growth of a federally banned substance. Makes him the perfect American...
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
He has had a plethora of "this is the last" chances! To say this is the last one makes no sense. If meathead smokes up this week and puts himself back in rehab when he gets out you people will jump for joy at his return again. And again. And again. There is nothing meathead could do to quash this undying love Browns fans have for him. For that reason, I hope they resign him to a 10 year 100 million dollar deal. ALL of it guaranteed. Then the Browns will never be without meathead on the roster. He may never play but there will always be that chance that the dumbest player on earth will return to save us. *snicker*
Go ahead, tell me YOU would resign him once he reaches FA. He hasn't played in YEARS but OMG Josh is back, how exciting! lol Just what this team needs. A BAD influence on the youngest team in the league. No way that could go wrong.... *snicker* I will laugh my ass off if he takes half the team out partying next week.
Ok this is where I have a question. Correct my if I'm not right on this. Doesn't it take 6 games to make a season. Well he is only going to to get 5 games this year. So is next year still under his rookie contract and then 2019 he becomes a RFA. I don't know.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
I was always under the impressions that we have him under contract for all of next year.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
So, we all know what a reasonable FO would do with this situation.
What does Sashi do with Gordon?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So, we all know what a reasonable FO would do with this situation.
What does Sashi do with Gordon?
At this point, we might as well see what he's got.
It's kind of a perfect storm of 1-23, deadweight at receiver, dysfunction in the front office, and a certain amount of contrition and a surprisingly fast reinstatement.
I have my reservations about the above, believe me, I think it's a bad message to send but we're 0-8 and the dysfunction on this team is staggering. Whatever message might be sent is greatly outweighed by all the other problems this team is currently facing and all things considered, we're really not in position to let go of potentially good players.
Let the next regime make that decision, unless Josh makes it for them by failing another test. Which he'll probably do.
That said, Josh will come back in for the last five games and we will likely go 5-0 in that stretch.
That wouldn't bother me one bit. At the very least, it could portend of better things to come.
A week or two ago, I mentioned that this team is 2/3 stocked- and that 2/3 of a team can compete for 2/3 of a game. Hence, our record for 2017. With a productive JG, we're one step closer to having the shelves stocked.
On a young team devoid of top-tier talent, someone like him could give the rest of these players some space to garner a few successes before the season concludes.
I would still heavily draft at WR this spring. Sends a message to Josh, AND affords us some insurance should he screw da pooch again.
Just having JG on the field opens the short/medium game substantially. Might even result in some sustained drives, which I'm sure our gassed D would appreciate.
Hard to say just how out-of-shape he is. I'm sure he's not at post-training camp fitness levels- how could he be? Kid's a freakkonature though, and 3/4 a JG is better than anything else we can field at present.
He has been in Tim Montgomery's program for some time now. Here's something fairly current (published 10/2017) on his recovery and training. I think you'd enjoy the entire thing, but quick-click to 3:23 to see him work out a bit. Then, jump to 10:58 to hear him talking fitness timeline on a phone call to Taylor Gabriel.
And here's what we'd be gaining if he can stay clean:
I think Browns fans have spent so much more time discussing JG's suspensions, habits, shortcomings, etc. that we forget what a truly special talent he is. Not surprising: he's spent more time off the field than on.
The 2nd vid I posted is here as a reminder of what we had/may still have.
Vers, he'll prob not be in 100% shape through the end of the season, but each game should be stronger. He's got 5 of them to show us something. I for one am curious. It's not like we have much else to hold our interest.
*EDIT* He may be able to run with the best players in the leaguue right now, but taking hits is another thing. So TRUE football shape? nope. Nope. Practice is gonna be quite the challenge for him.
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I'm pretty sure we have him for the rest of this year and two more years after that.
That's a long term contract. Damn, the dude better stay sober and ball out, or we're screwed again. It's a gamble but the Browns FO put their bet on the table a few years ago, & we just won't pick it up...we'll let it ride.
Possibly somebody like CFR...has given the facts. From what I believe is with Gordon's situation is that he completes this season. There might not be enough games to catch him up so there could be another year on his contract. But I think this is it and he becomes a RFA where we will tender him and either nego a contract...leave it for the one year or have somebody sign him and then we either Match the contract or take the COMPENSATION which should have a first round involved pending on our Tender, the worst case is a 2nd rounder if we give the lowest tender.
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You get the possibility of high reward for next-to-no risk because if he gets busted again, well...that's where we are today without him.
If he stays clean, we have a top-5 WR talent on the team. Not something we can say about many positions.
Then, sign him to a long term, market-driven deal BEFORE he has the chance to be a FA. The Browns have the cap room. Use it on talent. If he gets busted again, then the rest of that money is no longer guaranteed anyway.
Either way, they still need to invest some of those high draft picks on more WR talent.
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Actually, if he is as serious about things as I believe him to be, with who he has been working out with and where he has been doing it, I would expect him to be close to peak conditioning. The entire return has been planned and orchestrated; I doubt they overlooked having him physically conditioned and working on his hands.
Yes, taking hits will take him a little time get accustomed to, again, but that shouldn't be more than a day or four before it's that old familiar thing again.
The bigger, far more substantial, challenging, and telling obstacle is going to be knowledge of the offense - will he know where to line up this time, will he know his reads/adjustments, will he get into the correct routes and set up the DBs with the right leverages... or, is he once again just going to run Go Routes and Slants every play?
I hope, hope, hope that he has had access to a playbook and has been studying. If not, I hope that he has one now and that one of the offensive assistants has become attached to his hip to start drilling things into him.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
You know what... after ALL the bad, every ounce... every gram of bad that has unfolded - I do believe we've earned (even before so, around after Joe Thomas being selected) a bright spot. A nice story and one that would clearly aide in the success of this losing team.
What you said is true, he's been in the playbook already, he's in peak shape and most importantly, he's serious with things - we get that bright spot here with Josh.
And truthfully, I don't think it matter what route he runs. We did try screens his way too, but we always, literally always, suck with screen plays. He's going to be a mismatch, either way, that defenses will be forced into addressing - or suffer from the effects of not. Even if Kizer, Kessler, Hogan or whoever - he'll be a QB friendly target.
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