DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Deshaun Watson - Possible Torn ACL

Do you think it would hurt profits? I'd argue it would probably help. Admittedly, mostly from non-football fans, but their money still spends.

I was hearing Kap to Cleveland rumors (some blurb on PFT referencing his lawyer). Hue was a fan and "we" appear pretty desperate for any vet QB.

Different strokes for different folks. Some may see a positive in another's misfortune. Others have empathy and do not put their desires above the fortunes of others.

You asked about Joe Thomas. My son and wife are huge Steeler fans. Both were--and still are--extremely upset about his injury. They both think he is a class guy and think it's awful that he got hurt. Neither of them mentioned that they might get more sacks next time the two teams play.

Bottom line: We disagree. You think I'm wrong and I think you guys are despicable for even thinking of such a thing.

I agree. The Browns would lose a ton of fans if they sign that POS!

What does a running qb have to do w/his injury? It was a non-contact injury during practice.

Also, who cares about our draft picks? We blow them all the time anyway.

I am not surprised by your post. Par for the course.

I believe wholeheartedly that we, or whatever franchise signs him, would face profit backlash and etc.

I'm curious as to your reasoning opposite of mine though? As in a political realm?

I could have sworn that you were one of the posters claiming no fans care about players other than when they help a team win... That was in relation to some posters saying that whatever happens they hope Josh Gordon straightens his life out.

So what you're saying now is that you care about a guy on another team? And anyone that says "Wow that sucks for Houston and for Watson - but with the Browns having Houston's first round pick this may have a positive result for the Browns" ... they are classless and deserve ridicule?

As for your analogy of Pittsburgh fan - that's a poor comparison. Pittsburgh are going to pummel the crap out of us no matter if Joe plays or not. The injury does not hurt them or help them in any way. Houston's final win loss record directly impacts the draft pick we hold of theirs. It's a statement of fact that Watson's injury is going to impact that draft pick that Cleveland owns ..... no one is happy about it or gleeful. Why wouldn't that be acknowledged and mentioned?

Bummer. Feel bad Watson. He was having a tremendous start to his career and he was a lot of fun to watch play.

Had just won AFC Player of the Week.

The last game against SEA was one of the most fun games to watch all season.

Agreed. Damn shame that he was injured and there are no positives from his injury.

Oh............just my opinion.

Our attendance is already lousy and we already seem to be losing a steady stream of long time Browns' fans.

He could bring in new fans who otherwise aren't interested in football due to his "politics". Probably sell a bunch of jerseys amongst the "PC"/Black Lives Matter crowd as well.

If he wins, I imagine most "Browns fans" who left due to his politics would come back.

Edit: for clarity, I'm not really a proponent of signing him, just trying to look at the business angles.

Get off your high horse. Watson is hurt. It sucks, but feeling bad doesn't change the fact that he is hurt.

No one here wished for him to get hurt, but the fact remains that he is. Given that, our draft picks will very likely improve and that is beneficial to the Browns

Man, that really sucks for the Texans. (and him, as well)

Hope he recovers quickly.

Selfishly, I hope that the Texans lose every game while he's out.

Browns could benefit from Deshaun Watson’s injury with higher picks

Posted by Charean Williams on November 2, 2017, 7:49 PM EDT


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...h-higher-picks/

The Texans have found their franchise quarterback, but they won’t see Deshaun Watson again until next season. That means Tom Savage, who started the season opener, steps in again.

It also means the Browns likely become the beneficiary with higher draft picks.

The Browns own the Texans’ first-round draft pick in 2018 from the draft-day trade that netted Houston the right to select Watson. Cleveland owns the Texans’ second-round choice in 2018 from the Brock Osweiler trade.

Houston is 3-4 but had scored the most points in the league since Watson took over as the starter in Week 2, and, sitting only one game behind the Titans and Jaguars, the Texans expected to contend for the division title. Division winners draft no higher than 21st.

Now? Those Browns’ picks, via the Texans, could move up an extra 10-12 spots.

Of course, Bill O’Brien has won with worse starters. The Texans finished 9-7, 9-7, 9-7 in his first three seasons in Houston, using three starting quarterbacks, four starting quarterbacks and two starting quarterbacks the past three seasons respectively.

Houston, in fact, has started as many different quarterbacks (9) as the Browns have since 2014. The difference is: The Texans know who their franchise quarterback is. The Browns don’t.

But maybe Cleveland can find one in the 2018 draft. Or maybe not.

I don't disagree with you, but that isn't the end of the story. His injury caused ripples. Somewhere out there, Tom Savage's parents(he is the back-up, right?) have to be excited their son is going to get another chance to play.

Like it or not, those ripples reach the shores of Lake Erie. We hold Houstons top 2 picks. It is a positive for us if Houston loses a few more games then maybe they would have with Watson playing.

Nobody is happy the kid got injured. Quit trying to make it sound as such because some of us see the implications it holds for our draft position.

Yes they signed Matt McGloin but everything I read says they will most likely start Tom Savage

Sad to hear. If we'd have drafted him and this happened, it would have been considered part of the Browns curse. Guess it happens everywhere..

If we had drafted him he'd have torn the ACL at the podium.

We don't need him. Emptying the stadium very well on our own. Game day looks like a fire drill evacuation happened.

No thanks.

Hate that he is injured but I sure as hell can smile at the Texans season plummeting. Anyway, he was never gonna last with his style of play. Accuracy was a huge concern and so was the insane hits he took. hell his knee has probably been screwed up for a couple of weeks. He was limping pretty bad in the 2nd half against us.

The only way the Browns will stop losing fans is to start winning.

J/C

this is great news for the browns - we have their pick soooo theres that.

Sucks to be him, but this is a big positive for us, for sure.

As long as they don't play us again!

the absolute BEST record i can see them have going forward is 7-9. I can see them beating Indy (x2) and SF, they have balt in balt, which i think they could upset them, and have JAX in JAX which i think JAX would win. if indy can win this week against them in INDY, which is possible, its very likely they could go 6-10 or even worse form there. How they react to not having Watson is going to be huge. There defense is horrid with all the injuries.......its possible they could lose out too. I just don't know until i see them play again.

The Browns are on the clock. Trade announced!

While it is terrible, you can't turn a blind eye to the fact that this is a fortunate break for the browns. Soap boxing moral high ground doesn't negate that fact.

If they end up 7-9 or better we'll be getting around the 15th or worse pick. We traded at 12. Not a good return for passing on another top QB again.

well, that is at best case for them. i don't think they will go 7-9. Watson was the only reason they are 3-4 right now. im thinking 5-12 is most realistic. but if the lose out which is a possibility, 3-13 - we could be looking at 2 top 5 picks.

which we will trade for 4 2nd rds next year

And in 2016 we traded away a #2 and got that #12 spot in 2017 as we passed on yet another good QB in Wentz and dropped 10 spots from the previous year in the draft.

We're dancing madly backwards. The possibility of a #2 turning into a #15 or worse as we pass on 2 or 3 quality QB's makes me want to vomit.

no argument here. the only saving grace from trading last year is ****IF***** we get a qb this year that outperforms wentz and Watson. plain and simple. this regime will be tied to wentz and watsons performance and careers for the rest of their lives, much so like farmer and johnny.

j/c

No secret I did not want Watson in the draft. I admit he was off to a nice start but it's just a start.

I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice enough kid.

I do not wish injury on anyone, don't get me wrong. But they are part of the game and they do happen. If it benefits us, then it does. I will not feel sorry for an injury that helps our team.

I am sure that none of remaining opponents are feeling sorry for us over losing Joe T for the season. They are probably relieved knowing that one of the few things they needed to worry about is gone.

A Captain Beyond reference?

Oh yeah....Sufficiently Breathless