DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum AJ McCarron Fiasco Part 2

Now do you want to admit what we both know about Hue?

Still waiting on your answer for the timing of those 3 people connected to Hue.

Yes Dep........I am so full of it and you are awesome.

Whatever. You act like I care about what people think about me. LOL

I have already answered that. Let me try again. I don't know.

Do you?

Yes, When 3 people connected to the same person, do the same action at the same time, it is coordinated.

We both know the only person that could coordinate that.

LOL.............okay.

And what if it is all true? Why support a guy who leaves at 5:00 each day? Why support a guy who can't even call to ask about Jimmy G? Why support a guy who is insubordinate? Why support a guy who is planning to fire you?

We can agree to disagree who should go. You support a lawyer w/no real experience in personnel evaluations and I support a guy who is highly respected by most NFL people. But yeah Dep, I am clueless.

Have a nice night.

Sashi didn't leave at 5. No one knows what conversations were had about Garoppolo. You still can't say or prove how Sashi was insubordinate, or that he is planning on firing Hue.

You call out agendas, but yours is clear as well.

How can I be supporting Sashi.

I'm all for firing Sashi. I can't prove that Bob Wylie's emails are true either.

I've still seen enough to fire Sashi.

I've also seen enough to fire Hue.

I'm not like you. I don't need to make it either one guy or the other. I don't try to force people to pick sides to pit them against each other on a message board.

Sashi earned his firing and Hue did as well.

You know Hue should be fired, but you like Hue so you'll overlook it.

*What if* we had an owner who was an actual leader? None of this crap would have happened...

Neither Sashi's insubordination nor Hue's acting like a 4 year old with a vendetta - crying to mommy because daddy won't give him a cookie. This whole crapshow is ridiculous as always.

Hue: "Jimmy, this guy screwed us on JG, now I want AJ. I've got nobody!"
JH: "Look, Hue, I understand you're upset. First, JG was never coming here. Second, there is no long term upside to giving away picks for McCarron. We've discussed ad nauseum that no one is getting fired when there is not enough talent to win games, I'm not going to rent AJ for eight games at the expense of future talent. You have my trust and assurance, let it go."

Instead - we have Jimmy calling Sashi: "Look, Hue won't quit whining, do whatever it takes to get AJ here so he can be happy for a few weeks... What? Yeah I know he's not the answer but a few wins would help ticket sales as well - maybe the fans and media will back off a bit."

THAT is not a leader and at that point you have two people more interested in themselves than the long term success of the organization, I'll let you figure out which two...

A $hitshow, all spearheaded by an owner with no balls...

Or someone to read it to her out loud. Never met a rock she didn't throw. Cuts and pastes article content and repeats parts, well, repeatedly. For a Browns beat writer, she could homer a bit more and advocate for the club. She just beats on them too much and too often. Her padding of a story with past details, like previous draft narrative or some negative story, doesn't make hers any better. Just likes lacerations, I guess, cutting on the club she covers. Very little new ground IMO. Unfortunately, our newspaper, which hates Browns, loves to carry her articles for their negativity.
Really rather sad. Same stuff.

I much prefer Pluto.

Torn ACL and concussion lol.

There were a couple others as well. The other that stood out the most was:

Besides, the Garoppolo deal for all intents purposes was for a second-round pick and backup quarterback Brian Hoyer, whom the 49ers agreed to release so the 49ers could sign him instead of making him part of the trade.

I’m hoping the radio silence is ownership, front office and staff hammering stuff out, clearing the air and trying to establish if there is a way forward from here. I would be happy with continuity If we can establish all the conjecture on friction and fractures can be overcome.

I like Hue as a coach and players play hard for him.

Sashi and the FO have done some good creative things.

Both parties have also shown holes. Understandable as they are learning their jobs.

The detail on the terminology of the trade differing is interesting. It would likely have caused a delay had the Bengals seen it in time anyway - if such a discrepancy existed.

Hopefully we’ll get some news one way or another.

Edit: I also believe we never had a chance at JG. It sounds like BB had a plan and Hoyer was part of that. We’ll likely never know.

I'm under the impression if some of the stuff is true, not even all of it, just some - then there's no way this unit can operate successfully together.

I already feel like there's enough animosity in the air, you could cut it into sections, bag it up and sell it.

I don't disagree but there are always ways and means to bring people together. That may mean subtle - or not so - changes, but I'd like to see the majority of folk retained for at least 1 more year unless factual evidence absolutely prohibits it.

I keep reading these threads and posts and am continually amused by the amount of angst and the number of people arguing for their singular scapegoat to blame for us getting fortunate in dodging a bullet on an utterly brain-dead trade.

This sums it up for me, drobs. IF cooler heads could prevail, get everybody in a room and get them on the same page, that would be the smart way to go. I don't think we had a shot at JG either, and we dodged a bullet on the McCarron whiff, so the FO, Hue, and now Ownership (since no one can get along) would have to commit to drafting a top QB, and then surround him with weapons, while they also finish building the D. Everyone would need to be on the same page regarding direction. That's a huge ask, especially in light of the dissension, incompetence, and laziness.

Not sure this is a fiasco beacuse a2nd and 3 for mccarron
plus 25,000,000 per year to keep him off the market sounds like total stupidity to me.
Both Flacco and wilson won there super bowls when they were on there rookie deals,

I guess if you wish to fast forward a movie just to watch the ending you have a point. If you decide to actually watch the movie to see how you arrived at the ending, well that's an entirely different situation.

Just because it ended well, you can't ignore the fiasco that created it.

Ummmm ... heres the problem there menZa ...

We only got to see the ending of the movie ...

It ended with

- us missing on JG ....
- us giving up a 2nd and a 3rd for McCaron
- something going wrong to void the trade
- a rash of tweets from the hc’s daughter TRASHING the FO
- emails from alledgeldly browns coaches THRASHING the FO ...

What we DIDN’T SEE ...

- did we get ahold of the pats to inquire about JG on Monday or just ASSume he wasn’t moving ...

- who wanted AJ and was willing to give up a 2nd and 3rd ...
Was it the result of the FO/Hue KNEE-JERKING
Was it Hue alone who wanted him
Did the thief get involved

- how exactly did the trade get “voided”
Did Sashi sabotage it on purpose
Was it an honest mistake
Did the thief sign off .. does he even have to sign off ..

- who called the league office to try and get the trade approved after it was voided
Did Sashi call
Did the thief call

We all have our opinions but the fact is ... WE HAVE NO CLUE ...

So appearantly u want to watch the end of the movie and try and talk intelligently based off just the ending as OPPOSED TO KNKOWING THE PESKY DETAILS (something u mentioned in your post) that tell us WHAT GOT US TO THE END ...

Your post makes NO SENSE BRO ... because we didn’t hit fast forward to just watch the ending .. for us ... the movie STARTED AT THE END!!!!

I suppose it matters more if you still find the movie entertaining or if you take one look and realize that not only have you already seen it, but there's nothing new to this and you already realize that it was a good thing you didn't get to see it.

A good thing happened - we did not trade a stupid amount of high picks for a terrible backup - and folks are trying to figure out who to yell at and hold accountable for saving us.

#onlyInCleveland

How it happened doesn't matter. Just have gratitude that it did.

We are at a point where holding one's nose is more needful as a first priority than is sleuthing out who farted. First things first. We are where we are.

But a number of people should be relieved of their duties so it doesn't happen again, and others who can do those duties better should be found and emplaced.

PS Farmer is not one of these people.

lol was how I was feeling at that moment.

You know things are bad when a video like that feels uplifting, and fun.

At that moment I actually felt like the guy in the gif.

I am actually glad that the deal got botched. For selfish reasons though.

My reasons are that I really don't want a QB that can't outright beat out Dalton for playing time.

That said its likely the kid goes on to have a great career the way things always seem to work out for us.....

There's some sort of leak going on in Berea, and if it is Hue, that's bad. On the other hand, if I were 1-23 largely because I had been denied a quarterback by inept front office "geniuses" who communicated poorly, overruled me with horrendous decisions and whose knowledge of football I did not respect, it would be hard to stop me from defending myself.
Hue has made some bonehead calls on the field, no doubt. But he seems to handle players pretty well, and I believe if he had a good team, he could coach it pretty well. Until the draft strategy starts to pan out, and it may, the fault seems to me to lie with the analytics crew.

Hue hasn;t been denied a QB.....He has denied several himself and took part in getting the ones we currently have on the roster AND RG3.

Hilarious. Hope he survived it OK.

That's the easy part, it dawned on me.

Hardest part is getting on board this train, especially if you bought your ticket. Not a leap of faith in the video.

This is leader for the 2017 highlight reel. Please assure me that the leaper wearing the hoodie is not Joe Thomas. . . .

j/c

Yes, this entire situation is embarrassing, yet another instance where this team does not seem to be working as a team. The ownership, the FO, the coaches all on different pages. It doesn't seem to be better.

But, in the end, I am happy with the results. We won this thing by not having McCarron on the team. If Jimmy G did not improve his value while in the NFL (was a 2nd round pick and was traded for one) then there is no way in heck AJ did.

So, as humiliating as it was, it turned out OK in my book. The fiasco would have been pulling the trade off.

Just stop.

as good a guess as any.

Outrageous speculation in an attempt to turn into fact is what you both do well, so I can understand why you like it.

Lol.....the obvious. Good one!!

Here's one thing we most certainly know. Hue doesn't have the power or authority to make a trade with the Bengals. It had to be wither the FO or Haslam. If it was Haslam who made the offer, the FO was insubordinate or inept, take your pick. If the FO made the deal and then botched the paperwork, they're inept.

Take your pick. This isn't rocket science.

On some level I think you're right.

The only way anything positive can happen around here is if they screw up what they're actually trying to do.

Wait a minute. Is that a good thing?

Of course, it could be viewed as a savvy move by the FO.