DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Sashi at 1:15 11/6

Wasn't the obvious follow-up to the McCarron line of questioning this:

How does trading a 2nd and 3rd round pick for a back-up QB, who clearly is not a long term solution to the problem at QB, fit the plan?

This action seems to contradict everything we would understand the plan to be about.

After thinking about it a little more (I definitely overreacted during the horrible last week), I think they are wrong to hang it on anyone. The plan was to be bad. It was always going to be hard.

We need to see the plan through for a change. That means keeping everyone.

Sashi Brown calls the McCarron fiasco: "A lot simpler than what's been written." Then says, "Too technical to simplify it."

https://twitter.com/H_Grove/status/927601636888973312

Agreed. The question needed to be asked (I was thinking that during the actual press conference). My guess is the answer would have been something like, "We're not going to discuss what the compensation was."

Yep.

Yep, we'd probably be better off keeping everyone. No other qualified candidate would dare tag a job here.

Not only that, but even if the most qualified person in the world was hired, they would have their own vision. That would mean another setback and change in direction.

Sashi Brown: "If we were racing to get as good as we can as fast as we can, we'd have diff strategy. Want it to be sustainable"

https://twitter.com/KeithBritton86/status/927607000892104704

Sorry, I cringe when I hear, "We planned to be bad". You plan to be good but turning out bad may be the by product of your plan and youth. Planning to be bad is a loser mentality. Through the draft you should ONLY plan to be good!

How long will you buy the "plan to be bad"? 3 years? 5 years? When do you plan to be good? When is the experiment considered a bust?

Out of interest - what would you have wanted him to say? In what way would you want to have the Browns inner workings and dirty laundry aired? .... Do you expect unequivocal truth when fielding these questions?

I expected spin and evasion - and that's what we got for the most part. That's what big companies and big business does.

Then lower ticket prices until you change your strategy. I've planned to not attend or even watch lately. How's that Sashi?!

Noooooooo, cfrs, you had a moment of clarity. Then the Browns come out and say the right things to spin reality and you're (fans in general) hooked again and find yourself attempting to rationalize failure and incompetence. It's the mental cycle of a Browns fan.

Zac Jackson summed it up nicely......

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"Next offseason, that's the most important one."

Please put that on my gravestone (and some Swenson's burgers at the foot of it).

Sustainable. LOL We're not building a conference center. Get Hue the talent he needs to win!

Exactly. That's why it's a total waste of time to even listen to this kind of BS.

Give it a shot. After all you went to Harvard.

It's too simple to simplify? lmfao

I’m dying

I can certainly tell you what I don't him to say to further make people scratch their heads:

- "There are signs of progress that progress people can really be excited about"
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- exec Sashi Brown on passing on Wentz, Watson: "Don't think trading down was the problem, it's purely evaluating"
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Then says......

- Sashi Brown said the front office does have football people: "This group can evaluate (talent)."
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- Sashi: "Kenny [Britt] has 8 more opportunities this year and obviously in future years on his deal to come around."
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All very uninspiring when it comes to the future of the Browns

Give Hue all the talent he wants...and he STILL needs to learn clock management, timeout management, player management and understand to take the personal foul penalty...not to mention the taking of points when they are there to be had.

They are all learning on the job...everyone knew these things could happen with a bunch of newbies and an odd reporting hierarchy. For Sashi's part in the PC today, he acknowledged those things. Let's hope Hue does the same this afternoon and we can find a way forward without firing anyone of any significance.

Ya ... why would a qualified person want to come here ...

LOTS OF YOUNG TALENT especially the front 7 on D ...

5 picks in the first 2 rounds of next years draft ... including the 1st or 2nd and the texans picks could end up top 7 or 8 ... Maybe even top 5 ... worst case were going to have 4 picks in the top 40 .... hell, they couldn’t even beat Indi ... there IN DEEP TROUBLE ... like i said ... i’d LOVE TO PLAY THEM NOW!!!!

And a TON OF CAP SPACE ... and if the cap is tied into the tv revenue on a year to year basis ..... i’d Be SHOCKED if the cap don’t go down .... witch would benifit us BIG TIME ...

But hey ... Sashi said the FO/Coaches get along great ... and if he said it .. it must be true ... ...

Looks like the LOLLIPOP CLUB has lots of members right here on dawg talk ... ...

I agree completely with that ... reminds of when Peen says that Hue said we’ve improved and things are looking up ...

WTF’s he suppose to say .. were not very good if I were u I wouldn’t waste my time or money coming to the games OR watching ... the local tv stations and advertisers would LOVE THAT ... ...

The Browns have plenty of talent on the defensive side and the coaching staff has them performing well. The offense is missing key ingredients, like a QB and WR's. You know? Play makers. Hue has little or nothing to work with on the offensive side.

Sashi and Moneyball are the issue IMO by trading down every year and giving top draft talent to the other teams with nothing to show for it in Clev.

It's what EVERY team and business would do in the same situation. What is the alternative? Let's try and live in the real world.... Big business doesn't come out and make unequivocal statements that damage their Brand.

And what is unpalatable about that statement?

You say the Browns have talent on the defensive side of the ball but then claim moneyball is the problem. Who do you believe amassed this defensive talent outside of Kirksey and Shelton?

Tear down and rebuilds can't be done in 18 months.

Which witch are you referring to?

- "There are signs of progress that progress people can really be excited about"

--- so you think that he is going to say - "we're all crushed and disappointed with the lack of development shown by the players as individuals and collectively as a team"


- exec Sashi Brown on passing on Wentz, Watson: "Don't think trading down was the problem, it's purely evaluating"


Then says......

- Sashi Brown said the front office does have football people: "This group can evaluate (talent)."


----- So you think he should say "The people doing the scouting and evaluating football talent are obviously all morons and need to be replaced"


- Sashi: "Kenny [Britt] has 8 more opportunities this year and obviously in future years on his deal to come around."


----- I'd be very happy for them to can Britt and cut him. But given that they have not done that. Do you think he is going to say "Britt is a thief who is stealing money from the Browns and we were idiots to sign him"



Those might be sentiments that you and many posters feel --- the face of an organization doesn't stand in front of a media gathering and say those things. Ever. They spin. That's exactly their job. Getting upset over a guy doing his job in front of the media is fruitless in my opinion. . . . I understand the angst - but as I said we need to be real. Sashi did say he needs to do a better job of getting the best roster put together - that was a little real and as much as you could expect.

I'm mistaken. This is true, it's called "ButchDavis-ball"

Do u know if the colleges are putting Lollipops in their safe spaces now? ...

I'm not sure but they do it in doctor's offices.

Amassed? I said they are performing well. They aren't giant killers by any means and still give up a ton of yardage especially on 3rd downs. They still have plenty of holes to fill as well. You want blame Hue, OK. I say it's the FO. Get the coach the talent and players he needs to win. Stop trading away top picks and handing that top talent away to our competitors each year. That's on the Sashi and Moneyball totally.

Yes, who amassed this "plenty of talent"? This is quoting you.

I blame the FO for stuff and Hue for stuff. But I'm not calling for anyone to be fired.

LOL..........you feel a bit better about him?

We have a lot of question marks, to be sure ..... but our front 7 definitely has both talent and potential.

I look at next year like this, no matter who's here:

5 picks in the 1st 2 round .....

1 QB, 2 WR, 2 DB.

Maybe we go RB in the 3rd.

While adding a lot of youth to the team, additional talent in these positions could go a long way towards winning. Oh, and we also have a ton of cap space.

This should be an interesting off-season. If Haslam agrees to get out of the decision making process for a few years, I could see a ton of interest in this job. (if he decides to make changes, which I do not want to see happen)

Well it's Monday and no firing was announced, so if they are firing someone, it's probably going to happen in the offseason, if at all.

I'm thinking that Jimmy thought about it and figured out that if he fired anyone, he couldn't get anyone else to take the job.

In the end, I agree with the front office's approach. While the last week was mistake riddled, I don't think people should be fired because of it.

And Hue Jackson (pending press conference comments). Time heals all wounds.