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Cleveland Browns Scribbles: Sashi Brown, McCarron trade, Josh Gordon -- Terry Pluto By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer terrypluto2003@yahoo.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook after listening to Sashi Brown's press conference: 1. I don't believe Sashi Brown intentionally sabotaged the trade for A.J. McCarron. I doubt the Browns VP was incredibly excited about dealing a second- and third-round pick for Cincinnati's backup quarterback. But once they decided to make the trade, I believe he went to work. 2. Here's why I doubt Brown or his staff intentionally messed up the paperwork, leading to the trade not being ready by last Tuesday's 4 p.m. deadline: If they did, word would come out. It would be a career killer for Brown. If it can be proven that he intentionally made a mistake to stop the trade, it's doubtful he'd ever work in any capacity in the NFL again. 3. So what happened? I believe there was a split in the organization. Hue Jackson and his coaching staff wanted McCarron. They thought he could help them win a few games. McCarron played for Jackson in Cincinnati. They debated and debated. They talked with Bengals owner Mike Brown, who was not about to move off his price of a second- and third-round pick. 4. The front office knew that was an outrageous price for a backup quarterback who has not thrown a pass in a regular season game since 2015. They have three second-round picks in 2018 and I hear the Browns were trying to negotiate about which one to send to Cincinnati. They finally settled on the second-rounder they received from Houston in the Brock Osweiler deal. The Bengals wanted the Browns' own second-rounder, likely to be a very high pick right after the first round. 5. Brown said Jackson was in the room during the trade talks. He explained: "Nothing we would ever do ... to sabotage a trade. That just doesn't make sense." 6. But I do think it's possible some of the coaches believe the front office didn't do it's best on the deal. Here's why: They started on it too late. It appears they didn't seriously approach Cincinnati until last Tuesday morning. The deadlne was 4 p.m. 7. I asked Brown why they didn't work on the deal earlier. He said: "That is a place where I think when we look back ... it's what we would do differently next time. It's a fair critique." 8. The delay was because there was a major internal debate about the value of McCarron. Jackson is looking for anyone to stabilize the quarterback position. The front office is looking down the road to the 2018 draft. 9. Brown didn't want to discuss the assertion that he was surprised when New England traded Jimmy Garoppolo to San Francisco for a second-round pick. Over the weekend, I made some calls. As I wrote, the Browns talked to New England three days before the trade to the 49ers. They were left with the impression New England was not trading Garoppolo. 10. I believe the Patriots were focused on San Francisco because the 49ers would cut Brian Hoyer -- and he'd sign with the Patriots. He'd replace Garoppolo as the backup quarterback, and that happened. 11. No matter how it's explained, it was a rough week for the front office. They were not able to engage in serious talks for Garoppolo -- their main target. They waited too long to get serious about McCarron. Then the deal blew up and embarrassed them. 12. Jackson wisely decided not to talk about the botched trade with the Bengals. No matter what he says at this point, it would just sound like more Berea mess. 13. Josh Gordon's interview with Gentleman's Quarterly where he claims he did drugs before every game isn't helping him. He is getting a fresh start. He doesn't need to go into such great detail about his drug use. 14. Jackson said he has only talked to Gordon on the phone. Gordon is coming to Berea on Tuesday. Gordon needs to understand this is his last chance. Almost bragging about how he beat some drug tests in the past makes it harder for him in the future. 15. I have no clue what the future for the front office and coaching staff will be after the season. I do know if they continue to splinter and work against each other, the odds are both will be out of work. Link
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I agree, the baseball model can't work in the NFL because you do not have that time nor development league..aka the minors to groom your talent. Plus, the NFL season is too short to actually get your young talent time to learn on the job!
But that is what they sold the Haslams on. Think, anyone else would not do a rebuild like the Browns have. Lose ALL your veteran talent, keep ALL your draft picks(2016), put a young team out there for 2 or 3 seasons. That is a baseball model. And those are the things that Cleveland Media should be questioning Sashi/Depodesta on!!! not to mention baseball is more about individual effort and players basically being on islands.. They either can play their position or not, noone else can help them do their job better, where as the NFL..its more about working as a team and trusting each other that allows you to be good individually. Alot less room for error in football than baseball. So the metrics are completely different and I think we are wasting time with this experiment What I think people are overlooking is the fact that Depo knows baseball and football are different. He didn't come right in and start using baseball metrics. He began by looking at the systems already in place and looked for ways to improve them. He compiled football data and attempted to figure out how to best capture value. With any analytical system, it will take time to refine and will somewhat refine itself as more data is collected. Depo is providing information to Berry and Sashi, both of whom had nothing to do with baseball, so the baseball model argument, for all that it sounds good, is rather contrived. Next, football has a hard salary cap, which makes cost controlled rookie contracts more valuable. It's not about a farm system, it's about economics and maximizing value. They brought in veterans like Collins and McCourty. Unfortunately, high performing QBs don't typically reach the market, and when they rarely do, they want to go to a team with Super Bowl potential. For all the talk of us "missing" McCown, he spent as much or more time injured as he did healthy during his 2 years here. 2015 he went 1-7 and went on IR. 2016 He broke his collarbone. Hue's a "QB guru". He should have the knowledge they need. People just need to hold their water and do their jobs. If there is one thing I think they have to adjust, it's finding the sweet spot between talent and intangibles. The one factor that lines up the most between Wentz and Watson is off the charts intangibles. Kessler had solid intangibles, but lacks talent. Kizer has talent, but appears to be lacking in the intangibles department. Can he improve his intangibles? From an analytics standpoint how do you quantify them?
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And some simply ignore the aha moments when they happen.
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I'm too busy laughing at that post. Being in denial won't change anything Tab.
I believe you can actually lease a sense of humor now. lol
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- exec Sashi Brown on passing on Wentz, Watson: "Don't think trading down was the problem, it's purely evaluating" saywhat
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- Sashi Brown said the front office does have football people: "This group can evaluate (talent)."
I think you are taking this too literally on his statements.
What he is saying is the decision was not due to trading down and acquiring picks. The decision was due to their talent evaluation (regarding Wentz, Watson).
Then he is stating overall they got football people who can evaluate talent!
Thats all everyone here is looking for that AHA moment I feel like I'm watching CNN and we are evaluating a Trump presser.
 Not that it's an AHA moment for me. But the Browns were the only NFL team that passed on all 3 franchise QB's in the last two years. IMO that shows issues with evaluating talent, or on the other hand it could mean the plan all along was to lose games and trade picks for lessor talent and to continue to be bad. And to put money in coffers knowing the revenue and fans will still come out to cheer while they stay well below the salary cap. Either way it's not what my expectations of what professional sports executives do to their fans, players & coaches. He actually said they need to make winning sustainable! WTH is that? Get the best talent available now and try to win games with them. I just don't understand this FO at all and I guess I never will until they start winning, if they ever do.
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It was just all excuses from Sashi totally avoiding the real questions. Same with Hue!! Always saying whatever it takes to get through the situation at hand.
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Not that it's an AHA moment for me. But the Browns were the only NFL team that passed on all 3 franchise QB's in the last two years.
I don't believe that's true. In fact, I think Tennessee is the only team to pass on all 4.
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Not that it's an AHA moment for me. But the Browns were the only NFL team that passed on all 3 franchise QB's in the last two years.
I don't believe that's true. In fact, I think Tennessee is the only team to pass on all 4. 4? Help me out. Titan's couldn't have passed on Wentz. We traded #2 to Philly in 2016 they took Wentz
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We planned to be bad won't get much mileage. Eventually W's and L's are King. The amount of mileage I suppose is Jimmy's call.
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Titans passed on Goff, Wentz, Prescott, Watson. I assumed the 3 you were referring to are Wentz, Prescott, and Watson. Granted the Titans have Mariota, but I don't think you say the Browns were the "ONLY" team to pass on them. Titans too.
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I remember reading this board around draft time the last two years, and lot of you saying "the qbs next year are better, we need to wait" and that "wentz is not an NFL qb" or "Watson is not an NFL QB" etc etc, are complaining now that we didn't draft them. Funny that hindsight thing isn't it.
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Titans passed on Goff, Wentz, Prescott, Watson. I assumed the 3 you were referring to are Wentz, Prescott, and Watson. Granted the Titans have Mariota, but I don't think you say the Browns were the "ONLY" team to pass on them. Titans too. Ahh LOL Ok. That makes it all better.
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Cleveland Browns Scribbles: Sashi Brown, McCarron trade, Josh Gordon -- Terry Pluto By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer terrypluto2003@yahoo.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook after listening to Sashi Brown's press conference: 1. I don't believe Sashi Brown intentionally sabotaged the trade for A.J. McCarron. I doubt the Browns VP was incredibly excited about dealing a second- and third-round pick for Cincinnati's backup quarterback. But once they decided to make the trade, I believe he went to work. 2. Here's why I doubt Brown or his staff intentionally messed up the paperwork, leading to the trade not being ready by last Tuesday's 4 p.m. deadline: If they did, word would come out. It would be a career killer for Brown. If it can be proven that he intentionally made a mistake to stop the trade, it's doubtful he'd ever work in any capacity in the NFL again. 3. So what happened? I believe there was a split in the organization. Hue Jackson and his coaching staff wanted McCarron. They thought he could help them win a few games. McCarron played for Jackson in Cincinnati. They debated and debated. They talked with Bengals owner Mike Brown, who was not about to move off his price of a second- and third-round pick. 4. The front office knew that was an outrageous price for a backup quarterback who has not thrown a pass in a regular season game since 2015. They have three second-round picks in 2018 and I hear the Browns were trying to negotiate about which one to send to Cincinnati. They finally settled on the second-rounder they received from Houston in the Brock Osweiler deal. The Bengals wanted the Browns' own second-rounder, likely to be a very high pick right after the first round. 5. Brown said Jackson was in the room during the trade talks. He explained: "Nothing we would ever do ... to sabotage a trade. That just doesn't make sense." 6. But I do think it's possible some of the coaches believe the front office didn't do it's best on the deal. Here's why: They started on it too late. It appears they didn't seriously approach Cincinnati until last Tuesday morning. The deadlne was 4 p.m. 7. I asked Brown why they didn't work on the deal earlier. He said: "That is a place where I think when we look back ... it's what we would do differently next time. It's a fair critique." 8. The delay was because there was a major internal debate about the value of McCarron. Jackson is looking for anyone to stabilize the quarterback position. The front office is looking down the road to the 2018 draft. 9. Brown didn't want to discuss the assertion that he was surprised when New England traded Jimmy Garoppolo to San Francisco for a second-round pick. Over the weekend, I made some calls. As I wrote, the Browns talked to New England three days before the trade to the 49ers. They were left with the impression New England was not trading Garoppolo. 10. I believe the Patriots were focused on San Francisco because the 49ers would cut Brian Hoyer -- and he'd sign with the Patriots. He'd replace Garoppolo as the backup quarterback, and that happened. 11. No matter how it's explained, it was a rough week for the front office. They were not able to engage in serious talks for Garoppolo -- their main target. They waited too long to get serious about McCarron. Then the deal blew up and embarrassed them. 12. Jackson wisely decided not to talk about the botched trade with the Bengals. No matter what he says at this point, it would just sound like more Berea mess. 13. Josh Gordon's interview with Gentleman's Quarterly where he claims he did drugs before every game isn't helping him. He is getting a fresh start. He doesn't need to go into such great detail about his drug use. 14. Jackson said he has only talked to Gordon on the phone. Gordon is coming to Berea on Tuesday. Gordon needs to understand this is his last chance. Almost bragging about how he beat some drug tests in the past makes it harder for him in the future. 15. I have no clue what the future for the front office and coaching staff will be after the season. I do know if they continue to splinter and work against each other, the odds are both will be out of work. Link
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Same folks Farmer used? Or the ones let us keep special teams coord?
You may have folks; you need better ones. Just "Bedlam in Berea" once again.
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Haven't we lost 4 games by 3 points? Yes...and in one of those games Hue conceded 3 points to the opponent by declining a no-brainer penalty and in another game he chose to run Crowell for two yards - of all backs  - up the RG's butt rather than take the chipshot 3 AND burned a valuable timeout when doing so because he let the moment overtake his reasoning.
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Dee doesnt like things played out via the media, its why farmer and pet were canned. FO has taken the high road. Hue playing the media game through friends and family is enough to get him fired more so than his 1-23 record.
We are in good position to add a ton more talent again next year. Hue isnt a great coach but I believe he can be a decent coach and we can win with that but man, feeding Mike Silver is gonna get his ass fired and he has noone to blame but himself.
BTW passing on watson was a smart move by this front office and i dont give a damn about how he has played thus far, he has crappy accuracy and takes to many hits. It doesnt last.
Wentz was a late first round talent that was overdrafted but it paid off brilliantly for the Eagles. The kid has improved tremendously. I dont fault the front office for passing on him when they did but I do fault them for taking Coleman when they did. I would have prefered they trade all the way out of the first round that year once they got out of the top 10. Just to much of a drop in talent.
Anyway I would like to see the Fo given another year and I am not opposed to Hue being retained if he can stop with the media games attacking the front office. If he cant, fire his ass. He isnt good enough to be a distraction.
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hey man, just didn't want you to be accused of spreading lies. I've been told that's frowned upon here.
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hey man, just didn't want you to be accused of spreading lies. I've been told that's frowned upon here.
Yeah no kidding I hear you. Although the Titans didn't pass on either Goff or Wentz because they never were going to take either one of them. Everyone here knows that.
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I was a Wentz guy...I think only Bonefish was a bigger one on here. I was not a happy camper when we passed on him. The others, ehhh I can see it. To bring up Dak I think is just posters looking to burn anyone at the stake.
I think we put too much This guy or none at all into our evaluations.
Goff not Wentz...was a big mistake but in history your got the 2nd guy being Busts many times. I get it I don't agree with it.
But Watson, Dak? Not going to hold them accountable for that decision. It was a common one.
But we had Blinders on and created Tunnel Vision.
We like Mitch and Mahomes if not them then nobody in the first.
We liked Goff if not him then nobody in the first.
My only bashing or major disappointment with our FO and Hue was the Wentz decision. Funny cause as we are watching the Eagles my wife says....How come we didn't pick Wentz...I just turn to her and give her the coldest look...lol  Cause that one hurt...lol I kissed her and told her I loved her shortly after... 
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I was a Wentz guy...I think only Bonefish was a bigger one on here. I was not a happy camper when we passed on him. The others, ehhh I can see it. To bring up Dak I think is just posters looking to burn anyone at the stake.
I think we put too much This guy or none at all into our evaluations.
Goff not Wentz...was a big mistake but in history your got the 2nd guy being Busts many times. I get it I don't agree with it.
But Watson, Dak? Not going to hold them accountable for that decision. It was a common one.
But we had Blinders on and created Tunnel Vision.
We like Mitch and Mahomes if not them then nobody in the first.
We liked Goff if not him then nobody in the first.
My only bashing or major disappointment with our FO and Hue was the Wentz decision. Funny cause as we are watching the Eagles my wife says....How come we didn't pick Wentz...I just turn to her and give her the coldest look...lol Cause that one hurt...lol I kissed her and told her I loved her shortly after... LOL Tab, happy wife, happy life. Keep her smiling. I was on the Wentz train once Goff was off the table. I was also on the Watson train once we passed on Wentz. BPA. I just can't get behind trading top picks away. Never will unless we already have that franchise QB and need that special play maker who's available.
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I was also on the Watson train once we passed on Wentz.
Just an FYI two different draft years..possibly you meant to say once we passed on Mitch (as we took Garrett)???
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Ooops ...yep. Memory lapse. Age and frustrations
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Dee doesnt like things played out via the media, its why farmer and pet were canned. FO has taken the high road. Hue playing the media game through friends and family is enough to get him fired more so than his 1-23 record.
We are in good position to add a ton more talent again next year. Hue isnt a great coach but I believe he can be a decent coach and we can win with that but man, feeding Mike Silver is gonna get his ass fired and he has noone to blame but himself.
BTW passing on watson was a smart move by this front office and i dont give a damn about how he has played thus far, he has crappy accuracy and takes to many hits. It doesnt last.
Wentz was a late first round talent that was overdrafted but it paid off brilliantly for the Eagles. The kid has improved tremendously. I dont fault the front office for passing on him when they did but I do fault them for taking Coleman when they did. I would have prefered they trade all the way out of the first round that year once they got out of the top 10. Just to much of a drop in talent.
Anyway I would like to see the Fo given another year and I am not opposed to Hue being retained if he can stop with the media games attacking the front office. If he cant, fire his ass. He isnt good enough to be a distraction. This post should be "Flagged" as a must-read before commenting on the matters herein. Nicely done.
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I remember reading this board around draft time the last two years, and lot of you saying "the qbs next year are better, we need to wait" and that "wentz is not an NFL qb" or "Watson is not an NFL QB" etc etc, are complaining now that we didn't draft them. Funny that hindsight thing isn't it. When we get a seven figure salary to run an NFL team, get back to me. That's why we're on a message board. BTW- I pimped Wentz hard and said that Watson would have been my choice if I were to pick a QB. And no, I'm not qualified to be in an NFL FO either. But since this regime has taken over, I have a better record on QB's.
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Ummm, curious as to what your answer to her was. Sashi needs it.
Just say it plain: "We are only keeping people who win in the second half of this campaign!"
That ought to clarify needs for draft. FO. Coaches.
Enough of snappy explanations and broken promises during lame interviews.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but I think your take is way off.
I think you are stating some opinions as facts and that you are leaving out plenty of other information.
I get it that the majority of our vocal posters back the FO and are blaming Hue for all that is wrong, but I guarantee you that NFL people have a lot more respect for Hue than they do the Brown's FO.
But, let's ignore that keep on spinning deceit, bias, and feed people misinformation.
You know I think highly of you, Mourg. But, I think you are backing the wrong horse on this one.
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While I, like the rest of you, am frustrated and pissed at the results, I can see what they are doing. Blaming Hue for this fiasco is nonsense. I think his snarkiness about the FO is coming from his having to explain the losses. I think it is the only way he can cover himself with a fanbase that is pissed when people get fired, but clamor for firings every year.
IMO, I think they have built a base over the past two years. I think next years draft and FA period will tell the tale. When Haslam made the comments about not knowing what this tear would be, but that 2018 and beyond the team should be a contender, says that even though the fan base has no patience, he is willing to have some. Not that he has had any in the past, but you would think he would learn from his mistakes.
Those blaming Hue are wrong. He has been a good coach for a good while. Look at Green Bay right now. No Rogers, and they stink. Should they blame the coach?
My hope, is that they are done trying to build a base, and will now solidify the structure. I believe this is their plan. Or I should say, I hope this is their plan. With the draft capital they have, and the cap space, they could really add the necessary pieces this next offseason.
While I agree they have trouble evaluating QBs, those who act as if they drafted no talent aren't paying attention. They have brought in some good rookie players, and the second year guys are playing well. The holes are there, thus the losing. But think about it, a couple good FA pick ups could really improve this team, and drafting high, instead of trading down, could help in their "long term" plan.
I also think Hue knew what he was buying into. I just think the pressure of a win starved fan base, and a relentless media, not to mention a history of failure, is getting to him. Maybe it is a little harder than he imagined.
I will give them this year, but next year, there should be no excuse. The assets are there, and the base is built. Time to put playmakers on the roster. Time to spend the capital they have amassed.
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I also think Hue knew what he was buying into. I just think the pressure of a win starved fan base, and a relentless media, not to mention a history of failure, is getting to him. Maybe it is a little harder than he imagined.
Great post - I agree with you. On the topic of what has Hue most upset, I think it's mostly because HE hates losing. I won't dismiss the FO and Head Coach's opinion of the fans - or that they don't value the fan base at all - but I don't think they ever make decisions based on fan sentiment (least way's any FO or HC worth their salt doesn't). They all have egos and they all think they can do the job - you would have to. Diam was the first to post it a couple weeks ago and I agree with him - Hue sometimes looks ill and like he's a beaten man during game day because he hates, hates, hates losing. jmo
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While I agree they have trouble evaluating QBs, those who act as if they drafted no talent aren't paying attention. They have brought in some good rookie players, and the second year guys are playing well.
Everyone can judge for themselves...
rnd...name...........pick....pos......school...
1 C.Coleman.......15......WR......Baylor
2 E.Ogbah..........32......DE......Ok St
3 C.Nassib..........65......DE......Penn St
3 S.Coleman.......76......T.......Auburn
3 C.Kessler.........93......QB .....USC
4 J.Schobert.......99......OLB.........Wis
4 R. Louis..........114.....WR......Auburn
4 D. Kindred......129.....FS......TCU
4 S.Devalve.......138.....TE......Prin.
5 J. Payton........154.....WR......UCLA
5 S.Drango.......168.....G.......Baylor
5 R.Higgins.......172.....WR......Col. St.
5 T.Caldwell......173.....DB......La-Monroe
7 S.Wright........250.....ILB.....Ariz.
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Here we go..this is the 2016 draft.
Everyone can judge for themselves...
rnd...name...........pick....pos......school...
1 C.Coleman.......15......WR......Baylor
2 E.Ogbah..........32......DE......Ok St
3 C.Nassib..........65......DE......Penn St
3 S.Coleman.......76......T.......Auburn
3 C.Kessler.........93......QB .....USC
4 J.Schobert.......99......OLB.........Wis
4 R. Louis..........114.....WR......Auburn
4 D. Kindred......129.....FS......TCU
4 S.Devalve.......138.....TE......Prin.
5 J. Payton........154.....WR......UCLA
5 S.Drango.......168.....G.......Baylor
5 R.Higgins.......172.....WR......Col. St.
5 T.Caldwell......173.....DB......La-Monroe
7 S.Wright........250.....ILB.....Ariz.
Gotta say, that is a pretty good draft right there... Kudos and well done!
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While I agree they have trouble evaluating QBs, those who act as if they drafted no talent aren't paying attention. They have brought in some good rookie players, and the second year guys are playing well.
Everyone can judge for themselves...
rnd...name...........pick....pos......school...
1 C.Coleman.......15......WR......Baylor
2 E.Ogbah..........32......DE......Ok St
3 C.Nassib..........65......DE......Penn St
3 S.Coleman.......76......T.......Auburn
3 C.Kessler.........93......QB .....USC
4 J.Schobert.......99......OLB.........Wis
4 R. Louis..........114.....WR......Auburn
4 D. Kindred......129.....FS......TCU
4 S.Devalve.......138.....TE......Prin.
5 J. Payton........154.....WR......UCLA
5 S.Drango.......168.....G.......Baylor
5 R.Higgins.......172.....WR......Col. St.
5 T.Caldwell......173.....DB......La-Monroe
7 S.Wright........250.....ILB.....Ariz.
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I could be wrong but I don't remember any head coach in the NFL, at least since maybe 1950, that has lost like Hue has. It would wear on anyone. I'm a big fan and I have a hard time with it as I'm sure we all do. Hue is a good coach and has pride. I'm sure the losing is really hurting him as well as the rest of the staff.
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I'm not going to applaud or complain about that list. I will say that we have players starting and playing that wouldn't get much, if any playing time on most other NFL teams because of our talent level.
Sometimes our fans judge players by being starters here or getting a lot of playing time here. I think the bigger question would be how much playing time would they be getting if they were playing for an average or above NFL team.
I'm not going to try to break that down on an individual basis, however I don't think that list would look nearly as good if it were looked at from that perspective.
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Between Kindred, Ogbah, Nassib, DeValve, Shonn Coleman, Drango, Corey Coleman, Louis, and Shobert you can probably come up with two to three names for each and every team in the NFL.
No matter how you slice it, that's pretty damned great.
Note: I'm not claiming that they are all great, but they are all legit - so far. That actually makes this a "Holy Crap!" kinda draft.
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I agree... but I think you could make a case for either of the Colemans, Ogbah, Kindred, and Schobert starting on other teams.
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I could be wrong but I don't remember any head coach in the NFL, at least since maybe 1950, that has lost like Hue has. It would wear on anyone. I'm a big fan and I have a hard time with it as I'm sure we all do. Hue is a good coach and has pride. I'm sure the losing is really hurting him as well as the rest of the staff. I can't remember a NFL team with as much cap space and not pick up decent talent in FA or a franchise QB for 10 years straight either.
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