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This will extremely interesting. I'll be glued to it for sure. ButI doubt we get anything substantive, that's not how these things normally work.

I remember in 2016 before the draft the Eagles were projected to have as bad a season or worse than the Browns due to their roster, coaching and off season FA. Then we passed on Wentz and traded the pick to the Eagles. Many here said we'd probably be getting a top 5 pick. Instead we get #12 and traded that away as wel helping the Texans get their QB. The Eagles are 15-10 since. 8-1 this year on their way to the playoffs.

Wondering what team fleeces our FO in 2018.

In Philly, Hue wouldn't stand a chance at being head coach for very long. If Hue wanted Wentz like Philly did, he could have had him. He was sitting in his lap! It's too bad this FO and Hue have no balls!!

I understand that thinking - and if it is anywhere near as bad as it looks from the outside, then you are probably right and they all need to go.

However I think there is a chance that things aren't quite like they appear. I doubt we'll know any more after today's press conference - we'll see.

Can't wait to hear him blow off all the questions and answer in a lame, dull fashion that we all know Sashi to do. He'll likely get angered/frustrated with the line of topic of questions.

Get him, Tony and Mary Kay!

Sashi, not Hue? This should be good.

I like the sentiments of the post - agree with it's premise for the most part .... though I'll still say that even though I agree with sentiment, we are still speculating.

AND ... regarding the plan and deviating from the process, i will give you a quote from Churchill:

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

Totally valid to evaluate and re-tune your plan as you go. 1-23 would seem to justify some re-evaluation. The biggest issue I see with 1-23 is the impact on mental attrition, team culture and moral ... while I don't think we really had a shot at the trade for JG -- we SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRYING. Not being aware that JG was available was a failure by the FO. Not terminal - but it's part of the mid season evaluation.

I think Hue will do his normal press conference schedule since we're back playing a game this Sunday.

From what I understand, Hue will also be addressing the media today after practice as he normally would. I believe I heard it would be around 5:15pm or so.

People believe what they want to believe and make justifications for colossal mistakes.

I think too many board members are more concerned w/their opinions and how they are perceived rather than seeking the truth.

You can make excuses for insubordination and defying the orders of the man who signs your check all you want. But that's exactly what they are, excuses.

Only if that is how the boss sees it.
Someone else - ANYONE else - saying it doesn't make it so.

It's really not that difficult. Sashi is the one in charge of making trades and making those decisions. There are only two people above Sashi. Dee and Jimma. So there's really only two choices to choose from.

1. Jimma and Dee told him to get the deal done and he purposefully botched it up.

2. Or, he simply acted in an incompetent manner.

Hue doesn't have the power to give Sashi orders in terms of trades.

So can I count you and Vers as Dawgs who won't say a peep the next time Jimmy pulls a Manziel 2.0 and pressures the Fo in to picking a player that he wants? I have a feeling I wouldn't be able to do that.

Does this also mean the search for the much needed "football guy" is over? If Jimmy is now so qualified to make player acquisition decisions to the point he's overriding people he paid to do the same, we've already got who we need right?

Your cries of insubordination are.. well, just that. Cries and trying to apply misguided moral absolutes to football decisions is silly.

Sashi was insubordinate (allegedly) in the name of preventing a bad decision from going through.

If my Chief told me to kick a compliant, hand cuffed subject in the head, and I refused to... guess what? I'm being insubordinate!

If your boss came up to you and said "Hey, the IRS is going to audit us... I need you to shift some numbers in the books" and you refused to... guess what? You're being insubordinate!

By your logic we both should be fired because we broke the cardinal sin of defying the boss.

I have a hard time believing you and Vers simply don't understand the concept of having people around you who aren't afraid to tell you no, and even paying people to do just that when it's needed.

It's crazy how we live on the same planet but apparently different universes... smh

Isn't Depo above Sashi?

Thank goodness!

I have a feeling you're just being snarky at this juncture. A mistake is a mistake no matter who makes it. When and if you defy the man who signs your check, or IF you're too incompetent to do your job, which ever happened, you screwed up.



What part of he's the boss and he signs the checks are you missing here?



Yeah, refusing to do something illegal is the same thing....



You do realize that trying to compare illegal activity to a legal act and direct order to the man who signs your check looks pretty foolish, right?



Yeah, an employee can just defy their boss and excuses flow like honey from the hive. The only one crying around here are people making excuses for a guy who failed to execute a direct order from his boss or is too inept to complete a trade when that's his job. You're not looking that smart right now.

I don't think DePodesta has any real power.

So since we're talking about honesty, which was it? Sashi tried to make it look like he was trying to make the deal but he was lying. Or, he's too incompetent to complete the trade?

I mean if we're going to be honest.

IMO, if I was Jimmy... I would have absolutely no clue what to do right now. Seems like ALL his avenues to take are well, no good.

So the Bengals had time to get the paperwork in but we didn't. Got it. lmao

The Bengals were one ripoff away from not caring anymore about McC basically suing them for screwing McC out of a year-of-service. Sure they could get the paperwork in on time...they were about to rip us off on a guy who might be Restricted come February.

If Sashi was "hesitant" due to McC's pending FA situation he was once-again doing his job.

Do you think Bob Kraft is telling Bill B. to trade a 2 and a 3 for McCarron?

What do you think Bill would have said if he had?

Basically, it sounds like people are blaming Sashi no matter what he did. He's screwed for not making the trade. He and the team would be screwed if he had.

If it is written in to his contract that he has final say on the roster, shouldn't he actually have final say on the roster?

Only with the Browns, it seems, do you get drug through the mud for not making a bad deal.

If I'm upset about anything, I'm upset that he even went through the motions of trying to push that bad trade through at the last second.

Sometimes you have to tell your boss the truth when he has a bad idea. Is saving someone from themselves really insubordination?

Don’t expect an answer to that question Pit ... I’ve asked the Lollipop club that question 7 or 8 times ... only Willie answered it ...

Gee, i wonder why .... *L* ..

It would go like this in NE.

BB: Bob trade a 2 and a 3 for McCarron.
BK: Ok

Ya .. u kicking a suspect in the head is the same thing ... u sound like Swish and the other libs in the political forum ... WHATS THE DUMBEST COMPARISION I CAN MAKE ...

Thats BS and u know it ...

The next time you screw up what the person who signs your check tells you to do, I'd love to hear you explain that to him/her.

Take a side and don't budge.

Well...I sign the front AND back of my check. I expect my people to do what is right. To be fair, I don't remember having a direct order NOT followed. Issues with any order are resolved beforehand...then followed. According to Sashi, that is what happened but the meter ran out. Only he and Jimmy know if that's true. At the same time, I don't swoop in and change what others are doing as I give them a job and instructions and let them follow that.

They don't play fair. It's not about seeking the truth. It's about twisting things to fit their agenda of defending the FO no matter what.

Do you remember how some of these very same guys used to ridicule me when I questioned Hue's ability to evaluate qbs? I can find the thread if people want. That should be fun. And the same guys were all over me when I said that Hue would be taking the blame this year. And they never ever admit to a damn thing. They just change the narrative and continue on acting like some of us are clueless.

The fact is - we don't know that there are only two possibly scenarios. But you want to act like that is an absolute - it's not.

If it was option 1 - I would expect Sashi to have been fired the next day.

If it was 2 I would expect Sashi to be replaced in the off-season.

If it was a different scenario then it would be potentially a different result.

Sometimes people are right. Sometimes people are wrong. People like to point out when they are right. Less so when they are wrong. I think the "scientific" term is selective retention.

You weren't high on Wentz.

I wasn't high on Watson. I thought his pass catchers made him look better than he was. Apparently, when you're on a team with Hopkins it can still work.

Saying Hue would take the blame wasn't really going that far out on a limb.

We blame everyone, every year.

I just get annoyed when people make it about sides instead of issues. I think having "sides" is part of most of the issues we have (Browns and country for that matter)

If we spent more time working together to fix things than we did arguing about who to blame, we probably wouldn't have ended up in such a mess.

Nobody on this board knows any actual facts and details as to who said what to who, or what was done in that room.

Lol, you people make me chuckle sometimes.

"Insubordination!" "Incompetence!" "Disobeyed!"

Y'all don't know ANYTHING about what happened, no matter how fervently you believe you do.