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I agree 100 percent.

However the front office and coaching staff had already made up their minds that he would not be their starter this year and they did him a favor. DAMN our front office for taking care of our players.

I mean what players would ever want to play for a team that looks after their best interests.

<<sigh>>

I wasn't being snarky at all and I was trying to make you think, rather than say you were wrong.

If my agenda is seeing things from all sides instead of one side, I guess you are right in that I have an agenda.

Have a good one.

I think the point is that we released McCown so that he could pursue a starting role elsewhere - i.e. we did him a solid and let him find greener pastures because he wasn't going to be starting here and the number of years he has left is limited. It's called having respect for the player.

No offense, but I'm not sure about that one.

Did we cut guys like Haden and Greco for the same reason?

I don't know the answers and heck, it might have been even been Hue who didn't want McCown anymore.

I just don't buy that either the FO or the coaching staff cares too much about the players. And that is not a hateful statement because I believe that is the way in all professional sports.

I feel like you're trying to see absolutes and a blanket application of things, and I don't see reality as being like that at all; every player and every situation is its own thing. What they did for McCown doesn't apply to others. They all knew he wasn't in our plans, they parted ways.


And I agree that I don't think they care about any of the players, per se, but I believe that after a certain amount of time in the league that there is a degree of earned respect and professional courtesy for those that have been able to hang around a while.



Haden - I won't even attempt to comment on this one except to say that his play while he was here the last two years did not warrant his contract, and quite simply he wasn't willing to take a pay cut. It is what it is.

Greco - Wasn't this an injury thing with him??

I guess you only listened as far as your selfish ass could hear.

The front office and coaching staff respected Him as a person. They gave him a chance to be a starting QB which is what he wanted. I am sorry you didn't like it, but it has no bearing on your personal life like it did Joshe's. Deal with it and quit crying. .

That’s AWESOME .... ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING ....

One minor flaw ... MAYBE just MAYBE they should have waited til we had a STARTER before letting him go to make someone else’s pasture greener ...

Look man ... i get the concept .. FACT IS .. they let him go W/O ANY CLUE who our starter was going to be ... NO CLUE ...

That’s one hell of a plan ...

And if he were here this year ... i bet we’d have 3 wins ... how many do the jets have? ... HUH ... I WONDER WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS ... ..

Maybe next time .. THEY OUGHTA THINK OF THE OTHER 52 PLAYERS ON OUR ROSTER as opposed to being “nice” ...

VERS - thats a BAD PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to mention Greco being unsigned for several weeks and not playing any games so far for the Saints.

Desmond Bryant still being unsigned.

There are more. . .

McCown couldn't run Hue's offense last year...why would this year be any different. There is one common denominator.

[quote}That’s AWESOME .... ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING ....

One minor flaw ... MAYBE just MAYBE they should have waited til we had a STARTER before letting him go to make someone else’s pasture greener [/quote]

Sorry bro just telling it as it is. If you don't like it tough crap. That's the way it went down



They were thinking about the entire roster. Weather they, you, I, or anybody else agreed with it doesn't matter.

Mac I can't wait till one of our QBS get another start so you can stop posting .66# . I never use that number.

Diam, lucky dawg you get my last post of the day!!!


They may have let McCown go without knowing who the starter was going to be, but that doesn't mean they didn't know who the starter WASN'T going to be....

Have a good night y'all!

Damm man .. u need lots of lollipops ...

Do u really need me to LIST ALL THE DIFFERENCES between this year and last? ...

For real Willie .. Come on bro ...

Now your taking your reaching to new extremes ....

Let me know if u need me to list the differences between this year and last ... it a long ass list Willie ...

And after i’m Done with that if u need me too do it ....

We can discuss how WELL our current QB’s run this O ... that oughta be a hoot ...

I know how it went down ... were reaping the REWARDS of that decision every week ...

U ever hear of Leo Durocher? ...

Difference between u “telling us how it is” and u defending it ... go get a lollipop from Willie while u think about that one...

Be safe devil ...

Are allowed to talk about how Hue Jackson has handled Kizer's rookie season? If you asked me what the best way to screw up a QB I might just point to Kizer this season.

Oh come on Daim Yogi was always the best quote. Remember this one. Anyone who didn't hear that hit the score board is blind.

I wasn't trying to throw a blanket statement over the ineptitude of the offense (even if it came out that way)...but McCown couldn't get a single win last year...and Hue managed only the 1. FWIW, I accept a lollipop every time I go to the bank.

Now...McCown is looking like a stud with a roster that is supposed to be less-talented than ours. BTW, I know our roster from last year to this year quite well. What I wouldn't be good at is comparing our roster to the Jets roster. I do know the Jets HC is in his 3rd year with the team and I think that is a bigger deal than maybe others may think.

My lazy attempt at being snarky could best be replaced by this: I have little confidence that Hue can adjust his offensive gameplan to fit the talent he DOES have on the roster. Whether the QB is McCown, RG3, Kessler, Kizer, AJ McC etc. I believe Hue earned that accusation both last year and this year.

Hue now is moving to a less-vertical, dink-and-dunk offense that requires accuracy...finally...but that doesn't describe his currently-named starter.

I think, more than anything, Hue wants a quarterback to be in the right situation.

He gets crucified for the trade for Carson Palmer, but everyone ignores that Palmer left for the right situation in Arizona, where they went 10-6, 6-0 (Before he got hurt), 13-3, 6-8, 3-4 (Now injured) with Palmer at the helm (38-21 overall, obviously trailing off as Palmer got older).

Ultimately, a quarterback's average performances fluctuate dependant on the team that is around them.

I've always been frustrated with how black and white quarterbacking is painted by fans across the league. You find him, you answer all questions. Like Matt Ryan hasn't had losing seasons and superbowl appearances alike, depending on who was around him and how good the team overall was. Same is true of Drew Brees. And Cam Newton. Philip Rivers was a perennial playoff contender until that team trailed off. Dalton was an ascending star who is now barely holding off AJ McCarron. Etc.

Same story with Wentz and Watson. They went to winning teams who had to make significant trade ups to add them to their already impressive roster that just lacked a quarterback. Would they have been clear franchise quarterbacks on our roster? Maybe. Would they be performing this well? Hell no.

In my opinion, there are only a handful of players who can really kick ass with a bad team. Brady, Rodgers. Actually, it might just be those two.

I think more than any particular player, Hue and the front office have been trying to rebuild the team after Jimmy Haslam requested the roster be torn down to stumps. That's why we've been so willing to trade down when offers come through: Desperately trying to add talent to this roster so that it can thrive as these players grow and develop.

I was talking to a friend about it on Facebook the other day and he made a point that resonated with me - People hate Kizer right now, but imagine their reactions if Roethlisberger retires and the Browns trade Kizer to Pittsburgh. Granted, that context was him defending Kizer as a developing player, but what makes that situation scary to me is knowing he'd be more experienced and heading to a roster with sufficient talent for him to do some real damage.

I'm not trying to suggest quarterback isn't important, nor that it isn't the most important position, but I do think Hue acknowledges that we don't exactly have a team that is going to facilitate a quarterback's chances of consistent success. We desperately need to get to that point.

Another example of your true intentions. You would garner more respect if you just admitted how biased you are rather than pretending to be objective.

My intentions are to discuss things pertaining to the Cleveland Browns. I think talking about how our head coach has handled our rookie QB in a thread titled "What kind of qb does Hue want in his system?" is fair to discuss.

I've pointed out plenty of things the front office has done wrong. Are we not allowed to point out anything that might be negative about Hue Jackson?

Please stop trying to drag me into your weird war.

Time for the Haslams to silence the quarterback whisperer

by Thomas Moore

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2017/11/02/cleveland-browns-quarteback-whisperer/

Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson is on thin ice and it is time that owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam set some new ground rules.

The Cleveland Browns were quiet as the NFL’s trade deadline came and went on Tuesday afternoon.

But, oh my, the noise surrounding the team was deafening and we can all thank head coach Hue Jackson for that.

It started late Monday night after the news broke that the San Francisco 49ers had given up a second-round draft pick for New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Soon after, NFL Network’s Michael Silver sent out a Tweet that Jackson wanted Garoppolo but of course the front office wouldn’t go along with him.

A series of Tweets from Denver radio host Benjamin Allbright followed, detailing a series of emails reportedly from unnamed members of the coaching staff claiming that the front office shuts down at 5 p.m. (And since this is 1957 and not 2017, even if true there is no way to reach anyone once they leave team headquarters.)

Then came the boondoggle that was the attempt to trade for Cincinnati Bengals quarterback A.J. McCarron. Somehow the Browns avoided parting with a pair of draft picks through sheer luck (or a couple of Ivy League guys being smarter than everyone else in the room) for a quarterback that can’t beat out Andy Dalton.

That was followed by a Pro Football Talk report of Dee Haslam going “nuclear” on the front office staff for not being willing to sabotage the team to appease Jackson, the alleged “quarterback whisperer.”

It is now two days later and it is still so very exhausting.

When you start to unpack everything, however, you see how ridiculous the hysteria over the front office is and start to realize that the problem lies squarely at the feet of Jackson.

It was Jackson, after all, who came to town in early 2016 with the stated goal of fixing Cleveland’s ongoing quarterback crisis. But since his hiring, Jackson:


agreed with the assessment that Carson Wentz was not worth being drafted

thought that Robert Griffin III was worth being signed

didn’t believe that Deshaun Watson was worth being drafted

believed that DeShone Kizer was ready to start Week 1 of the season

thought that Kizer played “lights out” during a 31-7 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals

took eight weeks – and three separate benchings of Kizer – to realize that having your rookie quarterback throw the ball 30-plus times a game is not a good idea

has posted a record of 1-23

has continued to talk about how no one can be expected to win with a roster as allegedly void of talent as the Browns


Somehow, despite everything, Jackson has some people convinced that he is not to be blamed for anything, which may be the greatest trick he has pulled off with the Browns. We’ve been watching this team for 40 years now and we can’t remember a head coach ever being as Teflon-coated as Jackson.

But after the events of this week, it is clear that the time has come for the Haslams to take action.

The first step is to sit Jackson down and make it clear that the leaks to his friends in the media stop immediately. If Jackson is working he needs to spend less time on Operation Cover Your Behind and more time on fixing what ails the offense.

That ties into the second step: Jackson is done as offensive coordinator immediately. Assistant coach Al Saunders, who has experience as an offensive coordinator with the Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, Baltimore Ravens, St. Louis Rams and Washington Redskins, can take over for the rest of the season.

There is simply no reason to keep Jackson in the role of offensive coordinator when you look at the offensive numbers from the season’s first eight games:


Thirty-first in the league in points at 14.9 per game.

Twenty-sixth in the league in yards at 301.2 per game.

Thirty-second in third-down conversion at 29 percent.

Fourth highest in penalties with 63.

Thirty-second in turnover margin at minus-12.

Thirty-second in quarterback rating at 56.1


The wacky formations, the odd play calling, the indecisiveness over the quarterback position, the strange decision making during games could all be excused a bit if the offense looked like it had a plan or was making some progress, but that has not been the case so far.

Finally, while Jackson can have a part to play when it comes to drafting a quarterback next spring, it needs to be a very minor one based off everything we’ve seen so far from his tenure in Cleveland.

And if Jackson doesn’t want to go along? Well, if there is one thing that Haslam knows it is how to fire a coach. Haslam should be thinking long and hard about doing that anyway given everything that has gone on since hiring Jackson.

Because if this week proved one thing above everything else it is that the time has come for the Browns to silence the “quarterback whisperer.”

A lot of unproven, speculative "information" here, and although I may agree in general, the tone of the article seems overly harsh and one-sided. I like Hue as a head coach but question at times his play calling. Note that last game, however, our 'O' looked significantly better. While I would wish for Saunders to call the plays and see what he brings to the table, I believe you continue to let Hue call the plays to determine whether we see progress or not...

Dudes the head of the writers guild faction of the LOLLIPOP CLUB ...

Seems like I remember Hue wanting Wentz and Watson. Also as bad as the Wentz issue looks now, it’s hard to hold this staff 100% accountable for not spending the first on him given the situation with the Banner/ Lombardi firing etc. Also signing Griffin off FA and using a number one draft pick on a q.v. are two totally different circumstances. To bash Hue for the decisions in this way shows how biased the article is.

May be, but I mostly agree.

Stop it. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are on some vendetta. Do you actually think that Hue handled the Kizer situation well?

Does that mean I get my own office...and a raise in pay?

Hogan...I mean, why not?

We are half way through the season and we don't have a clear picture...or, maybe it's clear they all suck. Give them all some play time, just like pre-season.

No we cut those guys so the younger players could get more playing time.

You mean Leo "The lip" Durocher? The man who once said I don’t want any nice guys on my ball club. The man who was suspended from baseball for a year due to his hanging out with gamblers,and running up gambling debts. The guy who cheated on his wife. That Leo Durocher..... nope never heard of him

Now what flavors of lollipops does Willie have?

BTW would you rather that we won 3 to 5 games this year or that we win 0 or 1?

Willie is the President .... Peen is the VP ....

Talk to them and see who the hiring mgr. is .... i think its Purp but i’m not sure ....

*L* ...

All kinds ... all sizes ... *LOL* ...

hmmmm Apple blow pop, or strawberry dum dum. I can't make up my mind.