DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Sashi at 1:15 11/6

Ogbah doesn't get the attention that, IMO, he deserves. Many plays he's secretly causing disruption. He's very powerful.

Beyond solid pick right there and he's so athletic, we can play him at LB'er or linemen. We can move his roles around too, keeping an offense guessing. Once we have MG on the field all the time, teams will be have a hard time accounting for the blitzing linebacker when Ogbah and Garrett are disrupting from the sides and Danny is pushing the center.

IMO.

Kindred has played at a pribowl level. Others have flashed but nothing consistent to show that they are more than just a guy. Still time to emerge but we got one stud out of all that so far.

I'd argue that Coleman is farther along than Schwartz was at this point in his career as well. That doesn't mean that he is going to turn into another Schwartz, but he is moving in that direction.

Well he didn't get a holding call last week!

Lucky for him he has had four total weeks without a holding call. Still needs to build on getting better, which he is.

A lot of these kids are moving in the right direction for sure. I think Coleman is a better run blocker now than Schwartz. Pass pro is improving each week and drango hasn't been horrible either. Devalve could be the stud if he ever decides to be great.

I think one of our biggest problems is that we lack the true "wow" guys...or at least can't keep them on the field.

We're getting them, but a successful and sustainable roster is mostly built with a boatload of "solid" guys.

We have a decent number, but we lack depth and experience. Experience is taking care of itself this season, depth gets added in the offseason (or current guys get displaced and become the depth).

If the 2018 Draft can be as solid as that 2016 Draft while adding one or two true difference makers in places that we are currently weak, this team will take a huge leap forward next season.

I know it may not look like it on game day, or when you glance at our record, but I truly believe that this team is CLOSE, and ascending.

We have talent on this team. We have young talent that hasn't been fully developed yet. That was the plan, get young and develop. It is taking time as it should. We have to let it play out as was intended. The problem? we haven't won a game and it's starting to wear on everyone from ownership right on down to the fans. It's a longer process because we have no vet's to mentor. We just need to win a game or 2 and it will look better. JMO

It's the horrible playcalling and game plan that is killing this team. The lack of discipline, penalties are very bad! It's on the coach!!

We are finally seeing it built the way it should have happened in 1999 and 2000 with an eye toward the future.

We've all argued about it ad nauseum on here that you build through the Draft and develop talent and that this is the ONLY way to sustain success... yet, we're also seeing what every regime to date has seen: nobody has the patience to do it right.

Like Bob Marley said - "every time I plant a seed, they kill it before it grows."
If you don't let anything grow, you'll never have anything to reap.

Agreed!!

Stay. The. Course.

Sashi seems like the kind of guy that when 4 college guys are moving a heavy couch upstairs, he is the one that is not really lifting.

because he is smart enough to pay someone else to do it for him.

#worksmarternotharder

So that is why he had his assistant send the email.

Class move. I have been saying for years that they should do this.


https://sports.yahoo.com/joe-thomas-raise-think-realized-135936082.html

No one has suffered more losing, more graciously, than Joe Thomas.

So when the Browns gave him a bump in future pay after his season-ending triceps injury, he said he thinks it sends a positive message for the future of the team.

The Browns had been talking about adjusting his deal before the injury, but tacked on an extra $3 million even though he won’t play another down for them this year.

“It’s just the way that the team shows their love and appreciation for you. In the NFL, how do you show love and appreciation for what your players are doing? You pay them,” Thomas said, via Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal. “The conversation came up about two years ago actually. So they’ve been talking about giving me a market adjustment for my contract since I did sign it so long ago [in 2011] and since I’ve tried to go about my business as well as I possibly can, representing the organization, playing as well as I can, trying to be a team player, and they felt a market adjustment was not only good for me, of course, but good for them, good for their business, because when you reward players when you don’t have to, that sends a message to the locker room that says, “If you do the right things and you put yourself on the line for this team, we’ll reward you, even if you’re under contract.

“Because in the NFL, it’s a one-sided contract. When the team is ready to get rid of you, they just cut you if you’re not playing up to your contract. If you’re outplaying your contract, your only possibility of getting your raise or a market value adjustment is to either make a huge stink, demand a trade or hold out.

“I told them that’s not the type of person I am. So I think they realized it’s the right thing to do, and it sends a good message going forward to the rest of the players in the locker room.”

Of course, the Browns haven’t shown an ability to put enough people in that locker room to match Thomas’ level of consistent excellence, and continue to trip over their own feet. Last week’s bungled attempt to trade for A.J. McCarron was just the latest example, but Thomas has been around long enough to know what will make it better.

“In the NFL, winning cures all, and when you lose, it makes everything worse, and it magnifies all the little things that go on in every building,” Thomas said. “But you only make a big deal about it when the losing is attached to it. For us, it’s just a matter of turning things around and start getting some W’s. I don’t think it’s necessarily any big issue or any different than any other NFL front office. It’s just a matter of getting those wins.”

Thomas is a good solider, because the Browns have proven that their front office is different than many other front offices. But at least they recognized the goodwill potential of rewarding Thomas, and keeping him on their good side.

That's cheating and manipulating your friends into thinking he is fairly contributing!!!

"If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying."

-Every Navy SEAL, ever

Well we know he wasn't lifting...LOL

Imagine a draft where the first two rounds went something like this:

Round 1 Pick 2: Sam Darnold, QB, Southern California (A+)
Round 1 Pick 7: Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State (A+)
Round 2 Pick 2: Auden Tate, WR, Florida State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 7: Courtland Sutton, WR, Southern Methodist (A)
Round 2 Pick 32: Jordan Whitehead, FS, Pittsburgh (A)

That would be WOW! I know its cool to see the organization as a bunch of inept neophytes, but I think we're a draft and FA period away from something special. JMHO.

That's all well and good, but we've also seen young talent, e.g. the "ripe fruit" if you will, leave. Not to mention, looking at the 2016 draft at least, we seem to be planting the wrong seeds...

You're never going to get everyone to stay, and not every seed blossoms into what you want it to be. None of this is an exact science (despite what every self-proclaimed draft guru will tell you).

think what you want.. he is. jmo

From the horse's mouth...

I beg to differ, but of course you are entitled to your own opinion...

I think Memphis was [as he almost always does] belittling other posters. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion that he is a swell guy.

Nice football post.

I don't know what I would do without your guide on how I should interpret other posters.

Looks nice on paper, but you need to account for the Sashi Brown factor. Sashi loves to trade down and pass on impact players. This draft will be no different.

I believe we will be targeting the explosive talent be it qb, rb, wr. Lamar Jackson,Sutton from smu, Guice from lsu.

We're just missing our QB savior.. We get that, and Sashi will be the best GM we ever had.

We have talent. Front 7 is set. Secondary needs a FS.

O-line set. Good HB duo. Talent at TE.

We just need the QB to put it all together.

And I think Hue is getting worried about having to jump in the lake. Haha.

I think we are certainly closer than our record suggests.

However - how about some WR's that can run routes, catch with the hands and get some separation?? I like Coleman but he can't stay healthy .... I love Josh but he's not played for an age and you just can't rely on a recovering addict even if he does come back and hit form.

I'd also like another CB - and an OC so that Hue can mentor the QB and be the 100% full time HC.

5 top 50 picks next draft ... boatloads of cash ... it could happen. Cousins in my #1 choice even if it costs insane money.

I couldn't put any names to things, but I would wager that our first five picks will be on QB, CB, WR.

I doubt we invest high for a RB, and I wouldn't be surprised if we take at least 3 WR & 3 CB throughout the Draft.

I think that they will continue to develop Peppers at FS, but may bring in some mid-level insurance during Free Agency that could be a solid backup if he is still struggling next year.

I hope that we don't continue to develop Peppers at FS. It's a waste of his talent and he should be in the box. I think that we just played him there because he was our best option this year.

Alternate him between nickle and dime back with a few stints at LB.

I hope not, but honestly, I don't know if Peppers can even beat out Kindred to claim the SS spot.

All the ideas of playing 3 safeties just didnt happen like most thought it would.

I don't disagree with that...I just think the eff ups have been real bad.

That being said, I'm coming down on these guys, but I want to see it through myself. If things don't improve and we have a bad football team for the next couple years, well at least we're accustomed to it.

Coleman has been solid since game 1. He's been on the trajectory you hope to see from young players getting playing time. Even casual fans could see that. The Coleman criticism was just bizarre. It was like complaining just for the sake of complaining.

I just couldn't disagree with this more.

When you pass on franchise QBs, you are doing it the wrong way. Careers and contracts in the NFL are too short to really have "sustained" success. You have sustained success by having a franchise QB. The other parts become interchangeable because the QB makes every one else better. Franchise QBs lead to winning which keeps coaches and FOs which allows teams to maintain consistent systems and cultures. It's a lot easier to insert players into consistent situations and develop them. The Steelers best players usually play well below average their first years - Brown, Bell, DeCastro - but they allow them the time to develop and figure it out. Why? Because they're in contention every year because of Roth and no one panics or gets fired when they have a down year. Hell, you can even include coaches like Haley to that list.

The Browns have done it the wrong way. They chose quantity over quality and a franchise QB. The result of that choice is 1-23 to date.

and, I don't agree with this, at all.

For one, if you pass on a franchise QB, you aren't doing the wrong way - you're just doing it a different way.

And, if you take Tim Couch as the example, it may just be the better way.
Why take a "franchise" QB just to trot him onto the field with a bunch of trash and risk getting him hurt or just outright ruining him?

Instead, build up that roster in a sustainable manner, and then once you have a solid foundation in place, THEN go after that "franchise" QB and plug him into a situation where he is set up for success.
It sure sounds much more reasonable, to me.