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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...n-rally-packers

Basically, the article is a click-bait type article that tries to walk the reader through the hypothetical situation of Indy converting Luck into a bevy of picks.

Obviously, the rationale of the situation set up in the article quickly falls apart if you look at it too long or too close... but I wouldn't mind getting folks' opinions on whether they would be into being on the other end of the trade.

I, for one, would be up for being somewhat aggressive in going after Luck. I think I could be talked into giving up to 2 1sts for the guy (depending on which picks, different years, etc).

I would want a medical evaluation first...

His Dad went to St. Ignatius, and like Cowher, recently bought a house in Strongsville.

I know it's silly, but I'd rather talk about this than re-hashing how bad Kizer is playing.

If it were somehow possible for us to know Andrew Luck would return to 100% health, then I would open the coffers for him.

If his medical turned out ok, then I'd give up our 2018 first rounder and Houston's 2018 2nd rounder with conditional picks in 2019 and 2020 based on his performance.

I'd rather we develop our own QB's; like we've been doing for the last 19 years. It's cheaper that way and always gives us something to talk about!!

a few things:

- I thought Luck was the best college QB coming out in my lifetime
- I think Luck has underperformed in the NFL ... how much of it is because of his OL though?
- If he's deemed healthy by 2018, I'd do it for a bevy of picks

Look... if he's healthy and we can show him some offense line protection and then focus on WR and weapons, IMO, we're off to the races on offense.

That's kind of what I was thinking. We can let Indy think they're unloading an over-hyped QB because he's been playing behind a really bad oline with a sad bunch of runningbacks, and a not terrible but not great set of WRs year in and year out. He's had guys here and there, but somehow I just don't get the feeling that they were successful in surrounding him with talent.

Colts have shut down Luck - for now. He had labrum surgery 10 months ago, and is now having significant soreness throwing the football. If he was healthy I'd send both 2018 #1's and more, but right now there's no way of knowing when - or if - he'll be back.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nf...lard/777445001/

All there so-so and bad sound better than our new and im(un)proved team. I wouldn't go way overboard, but it would be a chat that I would want to have.

It's so tough to know without being on the inside there (or in the league) ... injuries are just guesses by us

I'd do anything it took to get Andrew Luck. Unfortunately, it just isn't going to happen. Give them both first round picks, two of the second round picks and give Irsay all the blow his nose could handle. Heck, I might even blow him to go along with it. I don't bat for that team, but I'm not too proud to have limitations of my desire to see this team with an actual quarterback.

I don't mind. The Colts would, however. They won't trade him.

Luck has always been over hyped..

https://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-mig...mperate-remarks



If Luck becomes available, we basically have to trade for him. We are in the best position to do so and if he recovers from his injury our QB problems are solved.

Luck would be an upgrade for us no doubt but I'd be leery about giving up much for him because of all the injuries. The 2nd and 3rd we were giving up for AJ seems about right. I wouldn't give up much more than that. JMO

I'd give up a 1st and a 2nd .. and maybe more (if he shows at least a relatively good chance of recovering)

I'd give up a whole lot more than that. Probably the Texans first round pick and at least two second round picks. Guys like Luck aren't ever available.

It all depends on his health, of course, but I would give up a first and something else in the spicy range (a 2nd or preferably a 3rd) and take him and call it a great, great day...

This. We'd be a completely different team with Luck. A good team.

A 2nd and 3rd? I'd give them two 1s two 2s and probably more.

He's damaged goods and made of glass! And the Browns aren't known for protecting QB's. If Sashi and Moneyball go after Luck... Pffft. Harvard Grads don't know football or the risks of damage goods.

Made of glass? LOL

LOL Yeah true it was a little over the top. Still injury prone. I'd rather keep our picks and get the BPlayersA.

Indy would be foolish to ever trade Luck. The only way I could see them trading him is either because he will never be healthy again or Irsay has done so many drugs that his brain is fried.

And I don't want to argue about whether or not we should go after Luck, but I appreciate you saying that it was over the top, but for people who haven't really watched Luck, I want to set the record straight.

Indy did him no favors because they never put even a mediocre OL in front of him. It was the worst in football for a few years.

The guy has stones the size of boulders and would stand in the face of the rush and deliver the ball while getting absolutely lit up on so many plays. He's a big, strong guy and he would shake it off, but some of us used to talk about how there was no way the poor guy could keep taking such a beating.

I hope he recovers physically. He's a great person and teammate, incredibly intelligent, tough as nails, an amazing athlete, and very good qb who could become great if you put a decent team around him.

Torn Labrum easily tears again. Trust me, I'm facing surgery #3 in 2018 which may include an entire replacement. Shoulder strength never returned from the original 1995 surgery. I wouldn't give too much for Luck.

J/C

My worry after this injury is that he could end up being gun shy. I would hate to give a king's ransom and find out the hard way that maybe his psyche IS affected.

Sign Trent Richardson, trade him straight-up for Luck.

I'm with you. I'd be willing to give up significant draft capital because he would be worth it. I would, however, like a thorough medical evaluation to make sure there isn't any lingering issues.

I find it odd that it is okay for you to refer directly to someone's drug issues, but when I make a comment about drugs being bad, you call me out on it - even though you were wrong.

Yeah you're right. Indy would have to know he's done with to let him go, I agree. On the other hand they thought Manning was done as well. Who knows?

Still I think we can get our guys by drafting the BPA. And filling the holes in FA for next year.

Oh geez...really?

Please don't quote arch. I have him on ignore. And the reason is for such posts. It has nothing to do w/Luck and he is trying to start a fight. Heck, I don't even know what in the hell he is talking about. What I do know is that I won't comment on this further, but please man, don't quote him when he responds to me? Thanks.

Luck just needs the QB whisperer...


He better go to NE.

J/C

If/when luck comes back, I don't think he will be 100%. Arm strength will be diminished, he may get gun shy in the pocket etc. too much risk to give up so many picks needed to get him, IMO

Ok.. sorry unaware of the history.

It's okay.

We both doubt that Luck is ever traded, but if he was, I'm sure the other team would insist on a intensive medical evaluation.

I think a healthy Luck is an elite talent - but that's the million dollar question. How healthy is he. Even at 85% - behind the Browns OL which is very good at pass protection - he would be very very good and light years ahead of anything we've seen since 1999.

Thinking about this a different way - and obviously subject to a positive medical prognosis - I'd take Luck over Mahomes and Trubisky.... and they were mid & high first round picks.