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That would be absolutely insane to do that in five games. 500 yards would be remarkable.

To keep perspective, the last time he came back from suspension in 2014, the Browns were 1-4 with him on the field, he averaged 60 yards per game and had 0 TDs.

I'd caution unrealistic expectations for a guy that hasn't caught a pass in the NFL in 3 years.

My hope is he stays clean and can truly make an impact next year.

We could sure use something positive headed in to next season.

Of course, meathead will hit 1000 yards. Easy. Taking three years off in the NFL is nothing. He will be the same old meathead day one. Not like all that time off will make him rusty or anything. lol

I laughed my ass off when meat said he wanted to be the greatest WR of all time. Hell, according to a lot of Browns fans you already are meat. Jerry Rice who? Rice came into the league and BUSTED HIS ASS to be the best.Started his offseason workout the DAY AFTER winning a Super Bowl.What an idiot. Meathead had the right idea. Show up, screw up, get suspended for YEARS and the next thing you know you are the greatest of all time... We can just replace Rice's bust in Canton with meatheads.

Here is hoping that meat takes the entire WR room out to party this week. Show our young guys what being great really means. Weed and suspensions. That is what makes a player the greatest....

Good luck Josh....sounds like alot of people want to see you fail...

Amen.

Will you guys provide a list of posts that indicate that people "want" to see Josh Gordon fail?

I think the opposite. I think almost everyone....not all, but close, want to see him succeed.

I do think that a lot of people are overlooking things about Josh because they so desperately want him to succeed.

There is a difference between being real and hoping for one's failure.

It would be a great story, if he could come back from all of this.

So obviously these past few weeks, we've been begging for talent at the WR spot.. with JG and Coleman working their way back on the field.. lets say they both finish the season healthy and get a few games under their belt... is the WR still a HUGE priority?

That is a HUGE if, Turk.

Emphatically, yes.

Well, there is a fine line there. Many seem to think that if somebody failed in the past, they will automatically fail in the future.. so I guess by definition that isn't "wanting" them to fail, it's just assuming they will, which is pretty close.

And, if you want to get right down to it, there are plenty of people here who, if Josh did fail, would rush on here with glee to say "I told you so"...

So we can split hairs on whether that is "wanting" him to fail or not... but it ain't exactly supportive..

So I have no problem saying I hope he succeeds, I WANT him to succeed.. I will feel horrible for him if he fails, not because he could no longer help the Browns, but because as a human being I hate to see anybody fail, no matter how many chances they were given... he won't have failed me as a Browns fan, he will have failed something far more important, himself and the talent he was given... and for that I will feel bad for HIM.

Not buying that one-sided rhetoric. But, you have the support of the majority and that is what counts. The board is becoming intolerable.

No. YOU are becoming intolerable.

I want him to do well but his chances of avoiding a relapse when the pressure to perform and keep people happy is very much against him. Still I am rooting for him 100% because I always want to see a young man conquer his demons and turn into a fine young man.

Your a GREAT ASSETT to this forum arch ... .... 98% of your posts here are stalking Vers ...

And this is coming from a guy that gets disgusted by vers, deputy, Memphis, Willie and a few others over the constant BS that goes on between them ... crap ... one night last week vers, deputy and one other (can’t remember witch one of his “pose it was” ) took over and ruined not one but two or three threads ...

The difference is most of their spats start over a football post ... u on the other hand, i cant even remember the last time u made a football post ...

Truth is your only function on this forum seems to be to stalk vers and not to talk football ...

Not sure if u even notice it .. if u didn’t realize it ... u may want to think about it ...

i think his real test will be this offseason. he'll probably be focused and busy for the next 6 weeks, but starting Jan. 1st is the problem

It's not one-sided rhetoric. Look no farther than the posters who have derogatory nicknames for Gordon. You know very well there are people here who love to say "I told you so", and you are one of them. You've been saying that the board is "becoming intolerable" for a while now. At what point does it actually become intolerable for you?

That's why we are here in the first place. We never drafted a #1 WR because of the Gordon possibility.

We should have cut ties with him ages ago,move on, draft a #1 WR...

I don't see that at all. There are a lot of people who are skeptical, because, you know, past performance. Josh has been down this road before. If you care to remember, the last time he was reinstated by the NFL he promptly checked himself into rehab.

Wanting him to fail and being doubtful he can succeed are not close to the same thing.

And, general question to the board. There is talk about what great shape he is in. The last time he actually made it to the field after a suspension, wasn't the same thing said? And he was slow on the field? Or maybe I am mis-remembering.

Of course, after his latest confession, he may have just been high.

I think we should also bring in JFF...

If we were a competitive team, maybe I would understand,but a team in rebuild mode, I can't even grasp the concept....

In the long run I actually think the worst for the Browns is if he succeeds...

It is one-sided rhetoric because there are a ton of people who speak highly of him. You can't deny that and to only point out one side [which is in the minority] is the very definition of one-sided rhetoric.

You are also not telling the truth about me rushing to tell you "I told you so." Here is the truth, most people who have mocked my opinions on Gordon refuse to acknowledge them and some of those posters start w/a new angle of attacks. You know, kinda like you are doing in the post I am replying to. LOL

I've been asking myself the intolerable question quite a bit recently. I love talking football and I've been on the boards for a long time, so it's like a part of my daily routine. However, there are too many posters like you that are making the experience less than enjoyable.

it isn't rhetoric, nor is it one-sided.
It is indisputable fact.

Scroll back through these pages; there are PLENTY of examples of people saying they are done with him, and I can all but guarantee to a person that every last one that said things like "he's a waste / stay away from him / cut him now / etc" would happily be back on here in a heartbeat thumping their chest and trumpeting just how right they were.
Oh, like DC said, you won't see any/,any saying "I hope he fails" (though, you just might find that if you scroll back), but it is overtly clear that many would be all to happy to claim that they were right all along about him - and that's pretty much the same exact damned thing.

Is he a RFA next season?

IIRC, this year does NOT count as an accrued season. So we actually have him locked up next year AND the next year ... so he's a RFA after the 2019 season

Yeah we did, poor guy just keeps breaking his hand. I don’t know if you’d rank Corey Coleman as a GENUINE #1 threat, but he was certainly drafted high enough to be expected to be.

He did a pretty good job most of the time when able.

And he’s due back soon too.

I understand the Colemon draft has a complement to a #1 WR,which was Gordon

IMHO Colemon does not have the size of athleticism to be a #1 WR.

And he was beaten by a former QB playing WR, so no IMHO he hasn't lived up to expectation. This season was starting to be better but....

No.

I believe there may be a few people that this describes, but not many.

Let's look at the facts of the matter. Josh, stupidly, openly admitted that he used weed or alcohol before every game since he started college. That means at two colleges and one NFL team, that he abused the opportunities afforded him and thought only of himself. We know he was kicked out of both colleges and the league on multiple occasions. There's a very long and consistent pattern there.

That's the only evidence that anyone has to base their belief of how things may work out moving forward. Now here's where I think our opinions differ. I believe both trust and respect are earned. I now look around me where part of society believes that trust, and to a greater extent, respect is something that should be handed out like cheap candy on Halloween. That's simply not how it works.

Now do I want things to work out for Josh and to a lesser extent for the Browns? I most certainly do. But I don't believe that anyone in their right mind should be acting like it is going to happen. Can we hope? Yes we can.

But since when did looking at a long history of a destructive habit in behavior suddenly be something people ignore and seemingly question the desire of him to succeed for all of those who aren't willing to believe it until they see it?

There's absolutely zero reason to believe what Josh says. None. He's used this same old song and dance after every infraction. It's the same story every time. He has something to prove. More to himself than to anyone else. But I've heard these type of things come out of his mouth every time he has screwed up. I'm not buying a word of it until I see the evidence that shows he's actually living up to his word.

Not wanting someone to succeed isn't the same thing as being sceptical of their ability to accomplish that goal.

Josh Gordon said his goal is still to be the best WR of all time

BEREA, Ohio -- Josh Gordon is back with the Browns and feels he has a new lease on his life--and his football career.

Gordon met with the media for the first time since he was conditionally reinstated by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Gordon said he was 'clean and sober' and ready to go. He reported to Berea on Tuesday for meetings with Hue Jackson and members of the front office.

"I was excited," Gordon said about coming back. "I was definitely excited. Grateful for the opportunity more than anything. I'm really optimistic."

Gordon said he didn't doubt that he would get another chance someday to return to the field.

"(I) wasn't sure on the time frame, but I'm glad to be back."

Gordon is allowed to be in team meetings and take part in individual work with trainers as he gets into football shape. He can re-join the team in practices on Nov. 20 and could be added to the active roster on Nov. 27. He could play in the final five games of the season and is first eligible game would be on Dec. 3 against the Los Angeles Chargers.

Jackson said he sees a different Gordon from the player who spent the 2016 preseason with the team.

“I was really impressed sitting across from Josh and talking to him," Jackson said. "It was different than the time a year ago when he was back during the summer. I saw a young man who was a lot more mature, who understood exactly where he is and what he was trying to accomplish and do. We touched several different subjects, and I will keep that between me and him. I was very pleased with where Josh was. He looks in tremendous shape, and there is a different look in his eye. I am excited that he is here.”

Gordon says he's committed to coming all the way back this time.

“I think just living it out, honestly and just seeing it through, seeing what is next," Gordon said. "Ultimately, nobody knows what the future holds. As long as I stay trekking and control what I can control and do my part, the rest will either take care of itself or play itself out. I do not know, but I plan on approaching it the best way I can. The best way I know how is just doing what I can do.”

In 2013, Gordon was the talk of the NFL as he caught 87 passes for 1,646 yards and nine touchdowns to lead the NFL in receiving yardage on his way to his first Pro Bowl. However, after being suspended for all but five games in 2014, Gordon had just 24 receptions for 303 yards and no touchdowns.

That was the last time he played in the NFL.

Gordon was asked what the best possible outcome for him coming back this time.

"The most I can possibly hope for is being the best--as far as football goes--being the best wide receiver I can be," Gordon said. "Being the best version of myself that I can be, being in the best shape I can possibly be and giving 100 percent. I feel as if I can stick to that plan, the rest will take care of itself, but ultimately my goal is to be the best wide receiver of all time.

"I think any wide receiver or anybody at any position should see themselves in that way or work toward that goal," he said. "That has always been my goal and I think it has just been re-affirmed for me time and time again. Now, being back in the situation to do it, I plan on seeing it through."

But first, Gordon has to get back on the field.

Gordon, 26, has missed 51 games in his career due to suspensions. He was asked how missing that much time in the prime of his career would've helped him accomplish his goal of being the best NFL receiver of all time.

"No regret because I think that whole experience was definitely fundamental in my growth," he said. "I needed that."

Gordon said the reason he disclosed that he had either drunk alcohol or been on drugs in the article published by GQ magazine was to be 'transparent' and to 'get out ahead' of the story if it were to come out. He said nothing in his story would've surprised Goodell.

He said he feels he has the supporting cast to help him stay clean.

“I believe it is easier," he said. "Every day gets easier, but right now, I think I am just focused on the football aspect of it and the rest of the stuff I will take care of outside of here is where I like to keep it.”

Gordon said he appreciates the opportunity he has been given and is trying to be a better person each and every day.

"A new found obsession of improvement and just wanting to get better and get better every day," he said. "Just wake up every day with a new opportunity and try to get better to be the best wide receiver I can be, to be the best teammate I can be, to be the best friend, every aspect without any type of regret or any shortcoming, but ultimately knowing you're not going to succeed at everything. Those learned lessons that I take I need to use and implement in my every day life."

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Much more believable than before. I still insist on watching more achievement and listening less. Goes for Kizer, Huey, Sashi, and especially JG. I am a fan and openly in their corner. I am just worn out listening and trusting. Don't feel bad about it, with the exception that I bought into the rah-rah and about drowned myself in the kool-aid.

Go, Browns!

I don't buy that a person needs to be a certain size to be a #1 receiver. He needs to get open and catch the ball. He needs to be a guy the QB seeks. Ozzie Newsome was a TE, but make no mistake he was our #1 receiver.

You don't draft a #1 receiver. You draft a good receiver who ends up getting a high target count from his QB.

I stated I'd trade Josh Gordon for a cheese burger....I don't trust him....and with his confession about drinking and smoking weed before every game he proved he shouldn't be trusted....here is my fix for his latest I'm here to do my best and help the team- drug and alcohol test before every game - Browns should insist on it before he steps on field- put up or shut up. Does Josh Gordon owe the Browns- hell yes, he's taking personal responsibility finally- maybe, submit to internal scrutiny.
Personally, I heard one thing from Josh I hope he takes to heart- he mentioned his daughter- I hope he stays clean for his daughter and gives his daughter something to be proud of- a child can be a real motivator- hope you tear up the league for Browns, yourself, and your daughter- for about eight years.....PS, stay away from Johnny M....GO Browns!!!!

While I certainly agree with you to an extent, size is certainly a huge benefit. But you need the vertical along with that size. Most CB's are in the 5'11" to 6'1" range. Having a few inches in height is certainly an advantage for jump balls and as an added red zone target. While not all elite WR's are 6'3" to 6'5", most are.