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Anthony wiener got absolutely smoked by every liberal out there, and rightfully so.

The fact that we got people doing less blasting of Moore and more deflecting to others says a lot about their lack of moral integrity.

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Men are wrongfully accused a lot more than you want to know about. Its a sad world when someones entire life can be tarnish just by a sentence from someone else.

Investigate the accusations, investigate the man, until then I hold my judgment for when those are completed.

Yesterday you were surmising insane nonsense like "maybe this is a George Soros coordinated plot". Don't act like you weren't disingenuously going to bat for a pederast.

And? Until there is an actual investigation that remains true. And I also said yesterday if he did something he deserves what he gets. See, the difference is I have held the same opinion on these matters my entire life.

If saying facts to be out before I condemn someone is going to bat for them.....well we are in trouble as a society.

Here are the facts - there are REPORTS of misconduct. Reports that have not been investigated by anyone of authority or actual institutions that investigate these things for a living. Reports like these happen all the time to political candidates - on both sides of the aisle. And then after the election those pointing fingers will subside and nothing comes about it....wonder why?

SO once again for those that cannot comprehend - allegations are such that, allegations. They need to be investigated as such. When it is found that allegations occurred, the accused gets what he deserves.

I am done trying to teach the constitution and the way of American justice to someone not even capable of standing up for a coworker who was assaulted -

Is the Duke lacrosse players story in one of your links ....

Or how about the other way ...

HANDS UP DON’T SHOOT ....

ObumA showed his TRUE COLORS on that one ...

Reacting to 5 accusations of pedophilia that have all been corroborated and backed by over 50+ witnesses and sources with "sounds fishy, maybe a Soros plot" is not only soulless, but something that no one with a functioning brain would ever believe to be true. It's babbling nonsense you don't actually believe. That sounds like something from one of the mouth-breathers in the Breitbart comments section.

It's disingenuous, and done in the name of caping for a pedophile.

blaa blaa blaa blup blup blup. that's all I hear from enablers of sexual assault.

Spend a day going to bat for a pedophile, inventing insane elaborate and implausible plots to cape for a pervert, and now you're rambling incoherently and blaming me for my friend's sexual assault (which is in itself caping for CK and his actions; it's called "victim blaming" and it's a staple that predators count on)

Not only is that pathetic and immoral, but extremely creepy. I hope you don't spend a lot time around children, because bending over backwards that much for sexual predators is extremely disturbing and raises red flags.

Like others have said, I never thought I'd see the day where caping for pedophiles was even remotely a consideration.

It happens, and I entirely agree with you that we should highly caution against sending the wrong person to jail or worse, a death sentence. A man being accused of rape falsely is 2.7 million to 1 per FBI and DOJ statistics. I can calculate pot odds playing hold'em poker in my head, but I'd need a big calculator to convert that statistic to a man being accused of rape falsely five times. Even so, your chances of a meteorite killing you is 11 times more likely (1 in 250k) than a false rape charge coming your way. It can happen and I'm not trying to say it doesn't. Just saying it's incredibly unlikely, and even more unlikely for it to happen 5 times to the same man.

And really the discussion we're having here (I think) isn't strictly whether or not Roy Moore is guilty. It's whether it's worth it to elect a man whose chances of being guilty of these allegations is so significant that you'd run out of 0s if your calculator can only display 5 digits: 99.999% . Is it worth it for a voter to cast their vote on a candidate with such low odds? I know if I was playing hold'em poker, holding a high card 5, the table showed 4 hearts (a flush draw) and my opponent goes all in, I'm gonna fold and let them take the pot. It's possible they were bluffing, but the odds are so low that over time, you'd lose that bet far more times than win it.

The chances of Roy Moore's cards coming up bust are far far higher than him being able to demonstrate innocence.

Muddy the waters.

Muddy the waters and throw in a whataboutism.

whataboutism.

So you want to see what happens in court, because court will never happen due to the age of these cases? Weak excuse. Pick a side, either you support the pedophile and want him elected or you don't and think he should withdraw from the race. Grow a pair and pick a side.

I think he should withdraw.

j/c

Obviously Bannon needs to improve his vetting process.

You do realize that his latest accuser is a Trump voter, right?

Cannibalism isn't a good look.

Neither is partisan support at all costs:

“As a member of the Republican Party and an elected Republican, there’s no circumstance under which having a Democrat would be better… That said, anybody who violates the moral code of ethics and decency should not be serving in the United States Senate.”

— Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA), quoted by the Marietta Daily Journal, on Roy Moore’s (R) troubled candidacy in Alabama.

http://www.mdjonline.com/news/sen-johnny...2b60364c1b.html

So is the voter pecking order *REALLY* Republican, pedophile who registered as Republican, Democrat?

Did I say court? No I did not. I said facts are laid out. And where does me having said he should have the right to facts laid out say I want him elected? Show me where I said I supported his race for the seat? go ahead, ill wait.....

been long enough... you cant. Why, because honestly I have no idea what the mans politics are. All I know is he is the republican side of the ticket. I don't live in the state, don't know what his stances on anything are, as I haven't followed him, and don't follow him. So again, please show me where I supported him and said he needs to be elected....

You and others are parsing words, which is right out the leftist playbook.

What I have said -

We have accusations against him, that have not been investigated (to my knowledge) as of yet.

We do not know any FACTS, just reports from newspapers and the accusers - they say he molested/assaulted them, he said they did not - to me , that is he said/she said at this point (which I got lambasted for saying earlier). Investigate what happened, if the accusers have merit, he needs to step down - and they need to investigate him more.

You keep talking about "statue of limitations". Well, if these are true accusations, these types of guys don't just stop for 30 years, so if these are true, I find it hard to believe there are not more recent cases. THAT is what is strange to me. Pedophiles don't just one day stop being a pedophile. So if those accusations are true, I am sure they can find something they can charge him with within the SOL.

THAT is why I have repeatedly said, investigate. If he did something, he should burn for it.

But until its proven he did something, it is not my place nor anyone elses to condemn someone. That is why we have laws that specifically state otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty. That still remains true, even if the SOL are up.

It's funny to see so many people defend a paedophile while facts continue to drop every hour. Willful ignorance is a funny thing to see.

So do you think he should withdraw or stay in the race? SImple question.

Gotta love it they go on victim blaming and not believing them or the 50+ others that can back them up with facts. Yes the facts that already has been investigated and reported as credible. No they will give this creep the benefit of doubt and continue to say prove it we want more proof more details more women to come forward. And when more come forward. They still want more proof.

Not at all. Which is a part of what makes this all so disgusting. McConnel flat out said, after looking at all of the evidence, that he believes these women. All of them. 20 Republicans have called for Moore to step aside. That's why those who keep interjecting politics into this are deeply flawed.

Just like Diam pointing out the Dems that have been guilty of some of the same things. Is he right? Of course he is, but that doesn't make any of them, whether they be Dems or GOP any less sickening. And the entire premise of it being a hit job? Some of these women voted for Trump.

Let's be honest here. This is a very small, strongly conservative town. The vast majority of the people are Republicans. Even former policemen stated he was banned from the mall because he was trolling for teen aged girls. Claiming all of these people are a part of a political hit job makes zero sense.

Now you can say that you haven't seen the evidence. But if that's the case, you obviously haven't been looking for it. It's out there everywhere.

There will be no trial due to the statute of limitations. If you wish to excuse the fact you haven't been willing to go out and look up the evidence, go ahead. If you believe that Mitch McConnel and all of the GOP senators that have asked him to step down haven't looked at the evidence, you go ahead. But pretending and ignoring it doesn't change anything.

Maybe it's time you go and look up the evidence. Read the evidence and be open minded about what's there before you employ ignorance of the facts and refuse to even look at them first. As of right now, you have no idea of the evidence or lack there of because you refuse to even look at it before claiming you're waiting for it. You aren't waiting on it, it's waiting on you.

Sorry, this wasn't directed to you. I mistakenly thought I was responding to willit

Well, its not really as simple as that, now is it? But you seem to what to make a very complicated situation simple.

But I shall bite.

I think if he is guilty he should withdraw. I think if he is innocent he should do what he thinks is best for himself.

you're fine Pit

I think people, whether they would vote for Roy Moore (if they were in that district) or not, have to ask themselves what is more important: Is it worth losing the election to the Democrat, or is it riskier to elect a highly suspicious man who has several claims of sexual abuse against him, including at least one that could amount to statutory rape (age of consent is 16 in Alabama, 1979 and now). The longer Roy Moore stays in the race, the longer he stays in the spotlight, and whether guilty or not, further associates the republican party with condoning a man with at least 5 claims of sexual abuse against him.

If Roy Moore loses, the Senate would go to a 51 majority for the GOP, and every single vote becomes "the deciding vote," which is not a good spot to be in. Just ask the democrats who voted in the ACA with 51 members, and were ousted shortly thereafter.

They don't even really bother hiding their dishonest rhetoric anymore, but someone should be asking them why they feel Moore is unfit, but a man with dozens of accusers who bragged about sexually assaulting women isn't fine for the White House

And you really think he will just say "I'm guilty" and withdraw? Come on man... I'm losing any respect I have for you by the post here. If this was a dem you'd be calling for his head, and I won't buy your denial. Do the same here and call for his.

Correct.

And for the record, who cares about the seat? He shouldn't run.

But don't try to say, if he was a dem, you wouldn't be raising the same issues in his defense.

You know, I actually agree with the GOP on some issues. But the excuses and utter lack of expecting any real life accountability on the part of their candidates has left me scratching my head. Not that the Dems are any better, but then when you claim to be the party of personal responsibility and family values, you are the ones that claim you expect better.

First Trump and now Moore. But when you support Steve Bannon instead of the Republican party, you'll end up with candidates like this. But to support them anyway? It's direct evidence of what happens when you put Bannon over country.

Actually you can call it whatever you want. But I remain steadfast in my opinion on these things. Maybe from personal experience, as I have stated earlier. Louis CK admitted today his rumors are true, and he deserves everything that's coming to him. So yes, I do think he can say "Im guilty" someone just did it today so your comment that he wouldn't doenst have bearing.

Once again, I do not support the guys race for senate as I know nothing about him. I do not live in his district. I have not vote for his seat. I have been accused on this board of being a liar, a bigot, a racist, and pedophile, simply for having a theory that you are innocent until proven guilty, by supporters of Anthony Weiner a proven pedophile lol. yet if I respond with what I would like to say in response I would get banned. But to each their own.

I don't know how I can spell it out for some of you.

Well, there have been dems accused of this, in the past and recently. So please, find were I called for their heads before there was factual evidence...if you cant, you just made yet another claim that is incorrect against me. The standards of this board have truly fallen.

You see, I remember when allegations against dems surfaced, and the entire left was silent. The entire left has been silent in Hollywood for YEARS on end. Posters on this board were silent when misconduct was presented to them, yet I am the one with low morals because I want truth instead of finger pointing.

You and your side want soooo bad that REP get burned, you don't care if its true or not. I only want the truth. If Moore did what is alleged, he should be shot. Go back through my post, I have stated this multiple times, yet you do not get that through your hard head. I am not saying its true, because I DONT KNOW THE FACTS. I am not saying its not true because I DONT KNOW THE FACTS. You all want so bad to point fingers at a particular side, you are willing to spit on the way we have done things in this country for centuries.

He needs to be investigated. I have said this multiple times. Your reply "the SOL are up, what good is that going to do". Well for one, we will get to the bottom of this, wont we? Second, if he is a pedophile, those guys just don't stop doing that. So I would be a dollar to donuts that you can find something you can actually charge if that's the case. You are blasting me, yet you need to be blasting your elected officials to call for an immediate investigation of these claims. It is weird they have not, no?

But there is factual evidence. A lot of it. Just because you're not willing to openly look at it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The RNC has withdrawn support for Moore.

j/c

RNC cuts off Moore
The national party pulls out of a fundraising pact with the Alabama candidate, further isolating him.
By ALEX ISENSTADT 11/14/2017 05:45 PM EST

The Republican National Committee is withdrawing its support for besieged Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, leaving him increasingly isolated as he confronts charges of sexual misconduct with teenagers.

The RNC is pulling out of a joint fundraising agreement it had with Moore, according to a senior party official briefed on the decision. It is also canceling a field program it had set up ahead of the state’s Dec. 12 special election. The committee had about a dozen paid canvassers in Alabama working for Moore. It will no longer transfer any money to the race.

RNC Chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel is expected to brief committee members on the decision on a Tuesday conference call.

Even before allegations surfaced against Moore, the committee believed he was in trouble. Internal RNC polling conducted around a week ago showed him leading his Democratic opponent by just two percentage points. The committee has been evaluating its options about what to do about Moore over the last few days.

The move comes as the party intensifies its effort to pressure Moore out of the race. On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called on the candidate to “step aside.” McConnell also said he believed the accounts of Moore’s female accusers, who told the Washington Post that Moore pursued them when they were teenagers and he was in his 30s.

National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman Cory Gardner said that if Moore refuses to withdraw and wins the race, the Senate should move to expel him. On Friday, one day after the accusations surfaced, the NRSC withdrew from its joint fundraising agreement with Moore.

New allegations emerged on Monday, when Attorney Gloria Allred introduced a new Moore accuser, Beverly Young Nelson, at a news conference in New York City. Nelson said that Moore assaulted her when she was 15 years old and afterward tried to intimidate her to remain silent.

Moore, a former state Supreme Court justice, has vehemently denied the allegations and has vowed to remain in the race. "We’ve said this before and we’ll say it again: Judge Moore is an innocent man and has never had any sexual misconduct with anyone,” his campaign said on Monday.

National Republicans appear to be stuck. During the Republican nomination battle, McConnell aggressively backed Moore’s opponent, appointed GOP Sen. Luther Strange. Moore feels he owes Republican leaders little.

“The person who should step aside is @SenateMajLdr Mitch McConnell,” Moore tweeted on Monday. “He has failed conservatives and must be replaced. #DrainTheSwamp.”

Even if Moore were to exit, his name would still appear on the ballot because state law prevents a candidate from withdrawing from a race within 76 days before an election.
One possibility being discussed is waging a write-in campaign. But with just over four weeks until the election, such an effort would be a long-shot. Strange, who Moore defeated in a September runoff, has expressed little interest in being a write-in candidate, according to three people with direct knowledge of his thinking.

Others have raised the prospect that the special election would be delayed. Republican Gov. Kay Ivey’s has pushed back on taking such a drastic step, according to one person briefed on the discussions.

Moore is facing off against Democrat Doug Jones, a former U.S. attorney. A Democratic win in the deeply conservative state had once been thought as unthinkable. But Moore’s mounting problems have given Republicans serious concern. A GOP loss in Alabama would slice the party’s already-slim majority, imperiling President Donald Trump’s troubled legislative agenda.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/rnc-cuts-off-moore-244904

No I would be the first to say he needs to go after hearing that 4 women came out against him. I don't justify pedophilia for any reason.

It occurred to me earlier today that some good just might come from all of this. Hopefully on both sides of the aisle, but let's not kid ourselves.

No candidate in their right mind with questionable character or history ought ever run again for fear of every bone in their closet being drug out for all to see.

We might actually get good candidates going forward.

A number of years ago, a friend/colleague/pal asked me why I didn't get into politics, at least on a local level. I told him that I didn't need all my skeletons out dancing in public like they were part of Beyonce's stage act.

Now I read this stuff and realize my bones are boring.

Even so, I do have a history. I'll not be running for anything anytime soon.



I hope you're right. I really do. The optimist in me wants it to be a viable potentiality.

He was a terrible candidate to begin with. He was suspended and forced to resign from his previous positions, and stole a million dollars from his church charity. He has ties to white nationalist and neo-Nazi organizations.

I agree with you here, but it shouldn't have even come to this.

Two things, if all he was suspended for was keeping the Ten Commandments monuments then no big deal.

You are continually criticizing people for not citing sources and there have been a few things that you’ve posted in this thread without links that I later heard confirmed or n the radio.

You’ll need to cite something about this Nazi thing.

J/C

More news about Moore has come out. And It is looking more by the minute that the claims are substantiated. So where is the issue here? The guy looks to be a pedo, and should be dealt with accordingly. Now why was waiting to want to get all the facts, stories, etc out before condemning a guy horrible, I still do not understand.

I have a feeling you are going to hear a lot more stories about others coming out, just like we are seeing in Hollywood. I hope and pray, that we can allow the system and facts to become more clear before we hang a person without the actual evidence. I have seen way too many times in my life, accusations that have ruined someone's life only to be false.

But I will tell you what, I bet you my 401K that not a single one of you would say to my face some of the things you have said to me on this board. They're are a lot keyboard warriors on here that need a wake up call and need to learn some respect.

I'm proud of you.

And I'll give you props for sticking to your guns, but some of us 'keyboard warriors' came to the conclusion faster than you, that's all.

He has addressed the CCC, one of America's largest white supremacist Neo-Nazi organizations.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/roy_moore_once_addressed_white.html

Two-thirds of his funding for his judge seat came from Michael Anthony Peroutka, a member of the League of the South. He also gets a slew of donations from white supremacists and new-Nazi groups that he only returns upon getting caught. You can give him a pass on that last own, maybe, but his other use to hate groups really makes it tenuous.

And, no it wasn't the Ten Commandments, he was forced to resign because he refused to let gays get married and ordered lower circuit judges not to. He was previously in trouble for the display, and it was a big deal.

1) It's lawlessness
2) it's incredibly dumb. Our judicial system has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments