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I have a feeling that if Hue doesn't make some concessions on hiring an OC he is in more trouble than the FO, and I think they are in a ton of trouble.

Neither the FO nor Hue is in any position to make demands or try to circumvent power from the other at this time. They have both not been very good at their jobs, and if they have a brain one need to be updating their resume.

And how do you really feel?

I almost hope the idiots fire Hue just so I can finally say goodbye to this stupid team.

Is that a promise or just whining?

I'm not entirely convinced it is a negative just yet. 3rd and 20 posted in the post-game thread the graph from the game showing the Browns defense were ranked 21st or worse in 2016, but are ranked 12th or higher in 2017.

We've dedicated a lot of selections over the last two years to the defense. I would say, objectively, we would be wise to address CB and S - Not writing Kindred or Wilson off, but we have issues there.

Otherwise, we're in a pretty good position on defense. What we need to do is address the offense. We knew those additions were coming. Perhaps that is what Hue is trying to express - We need more talent on the offense, and I want a larger say in who comes in to run my offense. Fair request to Jimmy and Sashi alike.

I try to avoid draft talk until the offseason, but so far, I have a lot of talent that are very close. It depends on who you like personally rather than any clear cut additions. It makes sense that in such a draft, Hue wants his voice to carry additional weight.

I just don't feel like there is a whole lot of dysfunction because nothing yet indicates Jimmy wants to move on. You'd fire everyone if they were proving unable to work together. That's something Jackson and the front office has long denied.

I agree Hue needs an OC. I also still think there is every chance he's waiting for Josh McCown to retire at the end of 2017.

Is that a "wish" or just an "insult?" Or, is it both?

It was a question, hence the question mark.

Yeah, right.

Nice reply!

Dude, you are trying to start a fight. I don't want to fight. Thus, the reply.

I’m not trying to start anything.

Okay.

Not surprising.

You've talked about leaving before.....I'm hoping this time is for real.

They are out in full force tonight.

Jason McCourty says Haslams addressed players to help 'figure out a way to win'
Updated 10:19 PM; Posted 10:18 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/jason_mccourty_says_haslams_ad.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns cornerback Jason McCourty said Jimmy and Dee Haslam addressed the players Monday so they could try to help right the ship.

"We're all just trying to figure out a way to win,'' he said Sunday's 19-7 loss to the Jaguars that dropped the Browns to 0-10. "That was the main thing. We're all in this thing together as one unit -- players, coaches, management, ownership, everybody. We're just trying to figure out a way to win.''

McCourty acknowledged that the losing has been hard on everyone. The Browns have the youngest team in the league, and can't close out games in the fourth quarter. They've been in it into the third, including against the 7-3 Jaguars, but they can't finish. The Brown trailed only 10-7 in the fourth quarter before Kizer threw his second interception.

"Just trying to figure out how to win,'' said McCourty. "It's been frustrating for himself, us as players, Coach Hue (Jackson) and the rest of the staff . . . We're just trying to get in one room and figure that thing out and try to win more.''

It's certainly not the first time the Haslams have addressed the players as a group. They always do so in training camp, and have talked to them more than usual this season because of the national anthem protests and their collaboration with the Cleveland Police Department.

"I have talked to him . . . We've all talked to him throughout the year."

Myles Garrett appreciated the gesture.

"They want to win as badly as we do,'' he said. "It's just nice to see that they're passionate about us getting over the hill."

The Haslams, who've gone 19-65 since they were officially approved as owners in 2012, also expressed their appreciation for the players still fighting hard. The loss dropped the Browns to 0-10 for the second straight season, and only the second time in franchise history. They also set the record for worst 47-game stretch in NFL history at 4-43, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

Related: Kizer down on himself after 19-17 loss to Jaguars

What the Haslams apparently didn't do was give any indication of their postseason plans.

But Jackson, who's 1-25 start is second-worst for a coach with any one team in NFL history, re-iterated that his young football team hasn't given up on him.

"I am never going to take losing OK?'' he said. "I'm trying to win. This locker room is trying to win. These players are trying to win. This sport is too tough, too violent, and we ask a lot of these guys to walk in there and say, 'We're just coaching up a football team.' I don't look at it that way. We're honestly trying to win. There's nobody that walks in there... If you watch our football team, they are fighting their tails off. They are trying to win.''

He reiterated that the Browns have no margin for error.

"I have said before and I'm not going to back off this statement, we have to play almost a perfect game to have an opportunity (to win),'' he said. "That means no turnovers. Fundamentally, we have to do everything right to have a chance. This team is in games. This team is hanging around games. The defense is playing good. The offense will make a play here and there. We just do not make enough NFL plays to win the game. That's what we have to do, and we have to do it better."

I feel sorry for Hue and the players because a lawyer concocted such a dumb-ass plan.

The trade to Philly looks like a terrible decision tonight. Wentz is tearing it up, and the fact that the perception was they he was “not a top 20 player” has to be smarting. I would love to know what Hue thought of Wentz.

Hue wanted Goff.

If Eagles win the super bowl, Sashi Brown should be the mvp.

Peyton Manning Could Easily Top A $100 Million Investment For Browns Owners Jimmy And Dee Haslam


November 19, 2017 10:37 AM By Daryl Ruiter | 92.3 The Fan
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CLEVELAND (92.3 The Fan) – Since the moment Jimmy and Dee Haslam were introduced as the new owners of the Browns in late July 2012, one name has been tied to them: Peyton Manning.

Over the course of the last 2 months the potential marriage between Manning and the Haslams has picked up significant steam with rumors of Manning’s potential arrival hitting social media earlier this month.



CBS Sports NFL insider Jason LaCanfora wrote about the Haslams’ recruitment of Manning to help them run the Browns, who have fallen on hard times and surpassed the Lions for the worst 47-game stretch in league history with their 19-7 loss to Jacksonville Sunday.

LaCanfora reports what league sources have told 92.3 The Fan in recent days, a potential ownership stake in the team could be used as part of their pitch to get Manning to come to Cleveland to help turn around the floundering franchise.

Forbes Magazine values the Browns at $1.95 billion – with a B – which is only good enough to be ranked No. 29 out of 32 NFL franchises. The Haslams paid around $1 billion for the team, which has won just 19 games since they officially closed on the sale on Oct. 25, 2012.

Using Forbes’ figures, a 1 percent share of the franchise could potentially be worth $19.5 million, so depending on the percentage, an ownership stake would be extremely lucrative to Manning, who earned approximately $400 million from salary and endorsements according to Forbes.

For the sake of conversation – and this is pure speculation – let’s assume the Haslams offer Manning 5 percent of the team – that’s $97.5 million alone.

Mike Holmgren was paid $40 million over 5 years to serve as teampresident in Dec. 2009, but his tenure was cut short when the Browns were sold to the Haslams in 2012.

Assuming Manning’s salary would be on par with what Holmgren was paid, combined with the Forbes valuation of the franchise and calculating a possible ownership share, luring Manning to Cleveland could easily top a $100 million investment.

Now that would be a difficult offer for Manning to refuse.

Whoever decided this needs fired, now! If it was a group decision, fire them all. Sick of this stupid s...

Hue didn't think Wentz fit our system and passed on him. Hue, with his deep seeded inferiority issues, is a tragedy to the great Browns fans. He is responsible for at least 90% of this mess. You have to be a fool to want to keep this guy!!!

It's easier to do this in hindsight. I mean you have a guy from North Dakota state that you are willing to draft with the #2 spot when the organization has a long history of always picking the wrong QB? And now you expect a 'small' school QB to re-write history? I would have taken that trade my damn self.


At this point, wish Wentz the best, but I'm not going to fault anyone over the decision.

I think last years trade downs bothered me more than what we did two years ago.

I say we switch it up. Let Haslam keep 5 percent and give Manning 95!

I couldn't imagine making 400 mil and thinking an extra 100 mil migraine would be a good idea...

Count me as shocked if Manning comes near Cleveland.

I agree. I don't have a problem with the Browns passing on Wentz, if your not completely sold on the guy and you get a trade offer like we got, you take the trade. The problem I have with that draft is that we supposedly liked Goff and if true then we should have done whatever we could to have gotten him.

In that case I guess we should wait around of the next 15-20 years for the next Luck or Peyton. I mean let's not expect our FO to actually evaluate QB's and get it right. Hell, according to your parameters we could do that job. You don't get paid a seven figure salary to do a bad job of drafting QB's.

Why is it Philly got it right when our FO got it wrong? But that's not a big deal?

Dude, even the best organizations don't always agree on how good a player is, if so there would never be a 1st round draft bust like Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, etc. or surprise players like Tom Brady. With your logic we should be kicking ourselves for not drafting Tom Brady with the 1st overall pick in 2000.

Maybe New England should fire Belichick for passing on Brady in the first rnd?

I was all for trading out of 2 and not taking Wentz. I was wrong and can admit it.

I do remember right after the draft that you were stating that if Wentz turned out to be very good, it would be very costly to this organization and that the public ridicule would be immense. I remember you getting attacked by several people for your stance.

Turns out you weren't so crazy after all.

Which players? Colemon is average when he is not on IR, Njoku and Peppers are still developing but not showing good signs...

The rest of them, mostly bodies.

You cannot pass o elite players for average ones, its not only the QB but in all positions..

Average players you get on FA or lower rounds in the draft...

If we passed on Wentz to draft Bosa or Zeke, then we would be OK. But not for freaginn Colemon....Njoku....or Peppers

This makes zero sense. Zero.

The most prized possession on any NFL team is a franchise QB. BAR NONE! Half of the NFL teams would give their left nut for a franchise QB.

and this BS about "it wouldn't have been the same situation" is just that, BS. Wentz would have the exact same God given talent in Cleveland as he would have in Philly. Would his stats be as good? Probably not. Would he have the same number of wins? Probably not.

But would we have a franchise QB on our roster? Definitely! And contributors won't replace that. There's no participation trophy for being paid a seven figure salary and getting that wrong. It's up to those guys to get it right, not for some people on the internet to tell them it's right.

Wentz and Bridgewater have been the only two I've really pimped in a while. I'm getting pretty close to pimping Rosen too.

I wanted Carr = No.

I wanted Wentz = No. (To be clear, I understood and support the trade. Hindsight is 20/20.)

I want Rosen = ???

I also was a fan of drafting Wentz, and did not understand us not taking him, but I understand our plan and trust that they have thought this through.

I think that drafting him then would have been akin to meeting the right girl at the wrong time; you aren't ready and will just screw things up and then she'll be gone.... and then, you're right in the boat we're in now, looking for another fish in the sea.

The question marks about his intangibles are rumored, but as far as a pure passer man he has to be the pick. I really hope the Browns don't screw up and take someone other than Rosen.....it's an easy call