DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jaguars' Tashaun Gipson spares only the fans in bashing the Browns

Who cares what he says I mean we have to many problems to worry about what outsiders say...

Its nice to have distractions every once in awhile ...

I see what you did right there.

At least he knows the City of Cleveland and the Browns fans are awesome!

You know we offered Gipson more money than the Jaguars? We offered Schwartz more money than the Chiefs. Benjamin I'm not sure about.

Mack wanted out no matter what, so quit using that as a point against Sashi. He even worded his contract the year before with Jacksonville that made it so we couldn't tag him after the last year.

There are a lot of things causing players to leave, and Sashi has been far from perfect, but quit playing this "lowball" narrative because it isn't true.

J/C

On the bright side, Gipson's comments create the potential for either an exciting or destructive narrative.

It is a very bold move to promise a shut out against a team he projects will be 0-16. If we suffer a blowout loss 40-0, that is an incredibly destructive narrative that significantly harms the franchise. If we hang 30 on them and win? That's an exiting narrative that will have lips moving.

This is an important opportunity for the Browns to make that statement. Accomplishing so, in my opinion, would cause a significant reduction in the pressure on the team. Some of our players, like Kizer and McCourty, have talked about breaking the cycle leading to momentum that will see the wins come often - an opportunity like this is exactly what achieves that.

I'll admit that the very nature of saying this is incredibly optimistic, but I do think the Jaguars are a very beatable team. I honestly like this match-up.

- The Jags are the best running team in the NFL. They are tied best in YPA and lead the league in YPG. Our defense is the best in YPA against and 4th best in YPG against. Strength vs strength.

- Both our passing offenses are nothing to hang our hats on. Theirs, however, is bolstered by a rushing attack. If we can slow that down, I'm not sure I see Blake Bortles dominating us. Kizer has the added boost of Coleman returning, and a growing confidence from his growing game.

- Our defense wasn't very good against the Lions. Not by their standards. I expect Gregg Williams won't be pleased, and I won't be shocked if he can light a fire under their ass. We did manage to contain Matt Stafford and the Lions high powered offense in spots - Blake Bortles and the Jaguars should not be as intimidating as the Lions. Don't think guys like Christian Kirksey will be pleased with Gipson's comments, either. Gipson directed his anger at the front office - but questioning their selections meaning insulting those whom they selected.

- The Jags arguably have the best pass defense in the league. Sacks, passer rating against, interceptions. They front the league in all meaningful aspects. They are not nearly as strong against the run, however. They allow 4.6 yards per carry and 120 yards per game. Amongst the worst in the league. The Lions have a top 10 rush defense, but we quietly rushed 33 times for 201 yards (6.6 YPC) with two touchdowns. It was a dominant performance. At the same time, Kizer was lethal throwing deep and gets our best depth threat back, so they'll have to be cautious playing the run too heavily.

- Their strength (Rushing) is going against our strength (Rush defense). Our strength (Rushing) is going against their weakness (Run defense).

- Jags struggled last week defending Austin Ekeler, the Chargers receiving back. Talented kid, but the already impressive Duke Johnson is having a career year as a receiver. Not to be slept on, Crow is also having a successful year as a receiver.

Perhaps I am just being overly optimistic, but I do like this match-up. I'm not scared of Blake Bortles, and I think our defense can hold them. We've certainly had impressive defensive performances this season against the likes of Pittsburgh, Tennessee and New York - all of whom were able to contain Bortles. And we bring a strong run stopping element. If we can do a good job, our offense won't need to set records to assist in a victory.

Ya'll have my permission to call me an unrealistic homer, though hahaha.

I don't think you'll find anywhere in his quotes that he, "promises a shut out". That's what the author of the article said, not Gipson.

True, but I'll take...

"I truly hope that we hang 40 on them," Gipson told the "Freddie and Fitz" radio show on Monday, via ESPN.com. "Their offense probably shouldn't score against our defense and I'm excited. That's the true thing."

... as close enough to get the troops fired up and a strong performance, much less a win, meaning everything to this team.

Agreed

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4. Tashaun Gipson: The Browns did not aggressively pursue Gipson and basically let him walk. He signed a five-year deal with the Jaguars worth $35.5 million, including a $12 million signing bonus. Incentives push it to $36 million.

But Gilmore told cleveland.com Thursday that Schwartz wanted to return to Cleveland and wishes he could've stayed. His fiancee is from here, he purchased a house here and he's entrenched in the community. After testing the market, which wasn't good for right tackles, Schwartz went back to the Browns in the hours before free agency and ultimately planned to accept their pre-combine offer. But they were informed by Cleveland that the offer no longer stood, at least not at $7 million a year. It may have been posturing on the Browns' part, but any hopes of reaching a deal were apparently dashed when NFL Network reported Wednesday morning that the Browns had pulled their offer.

As for Mack taking less money to play for the Falcons, the Browns never actually made him a concrete offer after he voided the final three years of his contract (at $8 million a year) last week. Mack's representatives agreed to keep the Browns in the loop, but it was generally assumed that Mack, 30, would make more than the Browns wanted to pay.

Gipson made it clear he wanted out ... he made it CRYSTAL CLEAR ....

They f’d up on Schwartz ... MAJOR WART for the FO ...

they got Mack to come back to at least listen ... he wanted out and went with Shanny ... i give the FO for their effort here ....

And for those that say we don’t miss Schwartz .. their WRONG ... i think it was purp that said last week or two weeks ago we don’t miss Schwartz other than his BIG CONTRACT ...

Well thats BS ....

- we used a 3rd round pick to get Coleman ..
- the RT spot SUCKED last year .... Coleman included ..
- Coleman has played OK and is IMPROVING .. he got a holding penalty in each of the first 6 or 7 games i believe .. THATS HORRIBLE ... he’s still not Schwartz ..
- in two short years ... if hes playing well ... he’ll be in line for BIG MONEY ...

REGARDLESS of how well Coleman turns out ... LETTING SCHWARTZ GO WAS MORONIC on a good day ..

Gipson and Mack ... Sashi had NO SHOT AT ...

I’m glad they didn’t re-sign Benji .. hes not that good ...

Did we miss Schwartz? Yes, we did.

Do we still? No, I don't think we do. Coleman is plenty good enough as-is right this moment, and he's getting better.

Not sure i agree that we dont miss some ... no where’s near as bad as we did last year ....

Hopefully Coleman keeps improving ... then we won’t miss him ...

Thats really all that matters ... Schwartz ain’t here ... old news ....

Coleman and/or Banner may be the answer ..... who knows ...

Thats all that counts at this point ...

U could never convince me not re-signing Schwartz was a GOOD MOVE ... we had about 18 holes ... we didn’t need to create one ...

Andspending a 3rd round pick to replace him didn’t help ... who knows maybe there was a QB we could have missed on with that pick ...

I won't ever argue that one, but if we had to lose him, at least we found an inexpensive replacement that is growing nicely into the role.

Other than Ryan Tucker, Schwartz is the best RT we've had since The Return. NO doubts. That said, I think Coleman can at least be his equal.

Not to go off topic but I can't remember or find it on Google, but who was that tackle we paid a ton to that I think was from the Falcons? Ryan something I thought? Had that beard.

Anyone? Curiosity is now bugging me on it.

Kevin Shaffer

This ^

Anyone saying that because what gipson said is true no one should be upset, I think you're dead nuts wrong.

Anyone saying that because we all often bash the front office it's okay for players and other teams to do the same thing is wrong.

Best analogy I can think of.... Sometimes when I'm frustrated with my kids I say terrible things about them, it might be true some of the times I say it. Sometimes I might be overreacting. It doesn't matter, because it's true doesn't make it okay for somebody else to talk about my kids the same way that I do.

I agree with the posters saying this would be a really sweet game to win especially because of what Gipson has said. Saying this isn't bulletin board material because it's about the front office is,in my mind,missing the point.

As someone else pointed out, you'd think that an undrafted free agent who got his start and opportunity to play in the NFL from the Cleveland Browns that he would be a little more grateful and try and take the high road.

Who is he supposed to be grateful to? We've had four regime changes? since he's been here.

I have Cle on ignore, but looking at what play posted, Cle is the one making untrue statements. We offered Gipson more money than Jax?

And btw, Daim: Who the heck alienated Gipson?

This is a bottom line business and a lot of posters keep making excuses. The bottom line is that none of those guys are here. To say they had no shot at them is not a good defense. In fact, it's actually a bigger indictment on the owner and FO, because it would mean that those players saw the Browns as a complete mess and wanted out.

An even bigger bottom line is that Gipson is a better FS than anyone on our roster and that position has been a sore spot w/the team since he left. I think Sashi low-balled him when he was the team's contract negotiator.

not true...Oniel Cousins was our best o-line man since like forever....jk

That was why I couldn't find it, thank you! Was bugging the crap outta me.

Imo ... The Cleveland Browns. Doesn't matter if there is FO turnover of ownership changes since he was drafted/here...

It sure as heck doesn't matter to Gipson that there is FO turnover because he is still clearly bitter about the Browns despite his words at the end saying he is grateful.

I was going by what Nathan Zegura said on CBD today. I can't find it anywhere else, so maybe I was mistaken. Can't find the Browns' offer anywhere, so hard to say one way or the other.

Saying he hopes they put up 40 on us is disrespectful. You don't say that about an opponent.

I take that kind of crap talk personally. Now I really want to smash them.

Kizer to Coates again for 50 yd score...TG covering would be frickin' sweet.

You're disrespecting your opponent. LOL

haha...hey now, I didn't throw the first stone lol...

But this would be the perfect first win for us imo.

I also want Coates to lay a score on the steelers as well.

I got no problem blaming it on the owner .. I AGREE WITH THAT ....

Hes caused all the problems IMO ...

This FO has plenty of WARTS ... but these guys excluding SCHWARTZ aren’t on this FO ....

At some point, the team will have to be more than just a name. I think he said all he could say when he showed the city love.

Screw tashoun Gipson.

Dissatisfied with the second-round tender the Browns placed upon him last month, Gipson has been a notable no-show since the workouts began April 20 at team headquarters in Berea.

The deadline for Gipson, a Pro Bowler last season, to sign an offer sheet from another club passed Friday without any action. Per the collective bargaining agreement, the Browns are now the only team with which Gipson can negotiate or sign for the duration of the 2015 league year.

If Gipson signs the tender, he would be scheduled to make $2.356 million on a one-year deal during the 2015 season. He’s obviously not in any rush to do so because he’s seeking a long-term contract.
Last week, Browns coach Mike Pettine expressed optimism the franchise would strike a long-term deal with Gipson, 24, who has been training in his home state of Texas.

“You never want the business side to affect the football side,” Pettine said during a news conference. “It’s obviously a very positive thing, in my mind, that we had a player, here’s a guy that was undrafted that played well enough to warrant getting himself going into that second contract — a sizable second contract. I see that as a positive, and I think we’re very optimistic we’ll get that worked out.

However, if Gipson does not sign the $2.356 million tender by June 15, the Browns would have the right, per the CBA, to replace it with a one-year contract worth at least 110 percent of Gipson’s 2014 base salary. In Gipson’s case, the reduced offer could be as low as $627,000.

https://www.ohio.com/akron/writers/brown...er-team-expired


On Thursday, Gipson was asked about the exodus of Browns players. He paused for a few seconds.

"The pause tells you everything," Gibson told reporters. "No, I think, I won't sit here and say that - I couldn't tell you. I'll be the last guy to sit here and bash the city of Cleveland. It's honestly just as confusing to me as it is to the fans and the city of Cleveland. To everybody that's on the outside looking in, how do you lose two Pro Bowlers and an up and coming right tackle and one of the best returners, as well as an up and coming receiver, in one free agency class? I don't know. But, for me, it's not my job to know.

"I know that when an opportunity came, Cleveland, they made their choice and we had to move on from it. ... "

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14938672/jacksonville-jaguars-tashaun-gipson-sign-5-year-contract

after sashi jerked him around for a year

Sure ... blame the contract negotiation guy ... while completely IGNORING the FACTORY OF SADNESS he played for the previous 3 or 4 years he was here ...... BRILLIANT!!!!

It's all opinion, but not sure how you can read the articles that play and Vambo posted and still say that. Sashi obviously alienated Gipson w/his handling of the contract negotiations. But whatever.....no one gives an inch in these discussions.

I just wish he was still on our team because he is better than anyone we have at FS. I always thought he was a good team player and he still has good things to say about the city of Cleveland. I also fully understand why he isn't happy w/our FO.