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You've expressed that opinion and I disagree. It's not about the individuals - it's about the organization. It was the Cleveland Browns who signed Gipson and it's the Cleveland Browns he was talking about in his comments.

LT did't talk about and express gratitude first and foremost to the director of player personnel - or the HC or GM .... he talked about the TEAM that drafted him and the TEAM he played for.

Again - it's fine to disagree. My main point was that you can respect the team and also leave and serve self interest when your contract negotiations take place.

I'm just glad that he gave us some bulletin board material.

Jaguars rookie Westbrook expects 200-yard game vs. Browns

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1422901

Rookie Jacksonville Jaguars receiver Dede Westbrook isn't short on confidence.

Yet to make his NFL debut, he's set to line up for Sunday's game against the Cleveland Browns and expects to make an immediate impact.

"I always set the standard high for myself. For me, and this has nothing to do with the Cleveland Browns at all, but my expectation is a 200-yard receiving game," said Westbrook, according to Michael DiRocco of ESPN.

Westbrook isn't the only Jaguar expecting big things against the Browns. Teammate Tashaun Gipson said earlier this week he hopes the Jags score 40 on their opponents.

"Their offense probably shouldn't score against our defense," Gipson said on ESPN Radio's "Freddie and Fitz Show."

Honestly, I read most if not all of his comments... and I really don't have a problem with them.

1. Much like when most of the other former players "bash" the Browns once they're gone, look at what they're actually saying, and tell me where they were inaccurate/false. Hoyer was not making things up or even unduly piling on when he said it was a circus while he was here.

2. While most will probably keep their traps shut, I don't fault any player, under any circumstance (much less Gibsons) for wanting to go on the field a crush his former team. I believe it speaks more to his competitive drive than anything else. You can nitpick wording and his choice to voice these feelings, but at the end of the day he's a competitor (imo).

3. Gibson was jerked around a bit as he was on his way out. I'm not sure it was as bad as he made it out to be (we don't know much of the details, but he was pretty vocally angry about the contract negotiations as they happened here), but the FO at the time went cheap on him. Hindsight being what it was, his string of injuries now appears to have been a fluke. It's true that the Browns "found" him and gave him the opportunity to go after his big payday, but a good FO would have seen that he's a guy worth keeping, and worked to keep him.


Lastly, his feelings on playing us this Sunday, and his voicing those feelings means (again, imo) that he wanted to be here, and is/was pissed that they let him walk.

A team whose owner has been running the franchise since 94. Would be very interested to see LT's comments if Spanos wasn't the owner and the team still moved to LA. What makes a team a team? their city? their name?

Hypothetically speaking, if Ozzie were to bash the Browns, would he be bashing the team that drafted him?

I get those arguments - and they hold the most weight. But Gipson was drafted and played for a team that hasn't moved or relocated....

j/c

Gipson isn't the only former Browns safety to face his former team this week...


Calvin Pryor not surprised by Cleveland's slow start
The former Browns safety makes his return Sunday.

by Josh Edwards

Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown pulled the trigger on a trade that sent linebacker Demario Davis to the New York Jets in exchange for safety Calvin Pryor.

Pryor's time with the Browns was short-lived and he ultimately found a new home with the Jacksonville Jaguars. He hardly considers Cleveland as part of his past because he was there for such a short time.

The defensive back is not surprised by the team's current 0-9 record based on what he saw over the course of a little more than three months.

"Not at all," Pryor said ahead of Sunday's showdown via First Coast News.

Pryor was released after a fight in practice with wide receiver Ricardo Louis. He believes that the parting of ways was best after not being given a chance.

"Honestly, I felt like they didn't give me an opportunity from the moment I got there but, you know, it is what it is. I'm happy to be a Jaguar, to come back home and be close to family and friends, some good teammates here, so I think it was for the best."

The Jaguars activated the safety from the injured reserve earlier this week.

On Sunday, he is eager to show the Browns what they have been missing.

"It's going to be feel good, but honestly, my time there wasn't long, so I really don't consider them a team I really had history with," Pryor said.

"I feel like I was just a guy who went through training camp and preseason and got cut. It's going to be a bittersweet feeling because I've been up there before to play them and I've won, I've come out victorious every time. I feel like it's just another step in the way."

Jacksonville travels to Cleveland this weekend for the 1 PM ET kickoff.

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"it was for the best" can be his mantra from the bench this weekend.

Gipson is one thing, but I don't want to hear it from a special teamer who got cut because he wouldn't let go of a fight following an ass kicking in practice.

There is a troubling irony that this man caught hands from Ricardo Louis, the one man who "catch" and "hands" have basically no meaning.

I read the comments of Gipson as well, and I don't necessarily buy into them. I think he is getting a pass and these are only relevant comments because we are losing.

It's just another case of beating a dead horse. We are losing so someone else wants to pile on. We were the only NFL team he ever played for... He took it personal. You can't. Or maybe he should have played better?

I don't think he was jerked around at all. His comment was that our front office said "good luck with your future endeavors" and he took offense to that. Probably the first time he's been fired, and he really wasn't fired, he just wasn't re-signed. Not being re-signed or even released happens a lot in the NFL. Remember when Pryor was upset we released him the first time and vowed revenge?

I think players all the time want to beat a team that has released him. Nothing new there. But to say you think a team is going 0-16 and you hope you score 40 on them, or to say you think you'll have 200 yd receiving like Westbrook said, is just plain disrespectful and Gipson knows some of the players here! He knows they are hard working players yet he said it anyway and I think he had a "whoops, shouldn't have said that" moment and backtracked on his words.

I also don't think it's fair to take this article and turn it into front office bashing material. None of us were there, none of us knows what happened. But I'd be willing to bet it's not as one-sided as Gipson wants us to believe. It's been said that players respect our front office, our coaches because they're very straight forward with the players and I think that goes a long ways with some... and well, not a long ways with others apparently.

But they do have a new owner and everyone else. We might even have changed colors since he left. At one point the Browns gotta be more than just a name.

LT played on winning teams and went to the playoffs ... hes heading to the HOF ...

I bet he played for less GM’s and coaches COMBINED in his entire career at SD than just the number of coaches Gipson played for here if he would have stuck for year 5 ..

Your correct ... we have to agree to disagree ...

And 95% of the time i can see the other side and believe its at least fathomable ... not this time .. just look at the teams he played on here and their records ... look at the # of coaches and FO’s he played with here ...

Sorry man .. i just don’t see it ...

Jags WR Dede Westbrook expects 200-yards in debut

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Published: Nov. 16, 2017 at 08:44 a.m.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...0yards-in-debut

Ya Tashaun Gipson is a real good player.

It's a real shame that he couldn't stay on the Browns and help the Browns get some wins, over and over in time.

Once a Brown, always a Brown.

Tashaun Gipson was a pretty good Brown, on the field,

Now he's on the other team.

The Browns need to go out and beat him, and his other team.

Play a good football game.

j/c:

I don't think it's fair that the same posters who always defend the FO no matter what constantly harp on Hue. I read someone who said Hue should be fired because he left 40 seconds on the clock before halftime. LOL. Yet, these same posters keep defending the FO. Sounds like one-sided rhetoric to me.

Most people dont even know who Tashaun Gipson is...

And that's all I got to say about that..

You know, I grew up in England. Born in the US and lived here since 1999 and following the Browns ever since. Maybe because soccer, rugby teams etc don't move around or relocate influences the way I think of players connecting with a team? In the last 100 years I think there has been 2 pro-soccer teams that have moved town and that way in rare/special circumstances.

We get it. Hue is a God and the FO are a bunch of morons. Can you stop with the agenda now?

Sorry for going ham. I completely get and understand your point. I've just seen so many people through that rotating door that it's just hard for me to consider this as a real team. Especially as they are interviewing for God knows what. I certainly hope we can get to a point where I can think of this squad as an actual team. Sorry for making this thread my battle ground for this subject.

It didn't come across like that. I understand the logic, just have a different opinion. np

I don't care that he bashed the FO. Whatever.

I dislike Gipson saying he hopes they put 40 on us, and predicts a shutout.
If he played hockey and ran his mouth like that before a game, he'd have a target on his back once the puck dropped.
Not very smart.

I am with you lamp.

say what you got to say about the FO or the coach or the players here or whatever...

but when you say we ain't scoring nothing but 0 points and you hope to drop 40 on us???? oh hell to the NO!!!

fudge off man. this is the game I want us to win or at least put 24 on you...seems how they dusted the steelers, bengals, and Ravens

I'm all in on this game. if it put a fire in my arse then it should put a fire in our players and coach...

we may not win. but god damnit we won't lay down and play dead cuz you want us to.

I am not a fan a Kizer. But I hope he finds a way to move the ball and put points on the board.

take the oppertunity of their overly agressive defense and get rid of the ball quickly.

quick passes. over the middle and flats...throw deep with anticipation.

in short shove down their throats like bad couph meds.

Saying what he said is pretty unprofessional, even if a lot of it is true... with that said, I wish we had players that believed we could drop 40 on somebody else and/or shut them out.

If the Browns as a team/organization want to stop being mocked and punked in the media, go win some damn games.

I have no problem at all with what he said, after all the same sentiments are echoed over and over again by posters on this very board.

Karma is a cold hearted bitch though, as the weather is going to be god awful this Sunday up there.

Have fun with that Bortles and the passing game. This game could actually be close.

Id like to see us shove it down their throats like COD LIVER OIL!!!!!

I think he said: I hope we drop 40 on them.

People see things differently. It appears most of those who are commenting on this thread are upset w/Gipson while ignoring how bad the culture must be in Cleveland under the direction of Haslam and this FO.

I would think that is why players want to get out and/or sign w/other teams for less money.

While the Harvard boys and the Crook might laugh and pat each other on the back for "winning" deal, they are more than likely alienating players, agents, and other teams. They might be highly educated, but they lack common sense and are way below average in how they deal w/the people in their field.

Thus, in my opinion, the story should not be about Gipson, but instead the Brown's organization.

When it is convenient to your argument against the front office, everyone wants to be a Cleveland Brown but the front office ruins it. When it is convenient to your argument against the front office, players want to get out for less money because of the front office.

There is one single player who I think one could argue just did not want to be in Cleveland, and that was Alex Mack. He was long gone before this group had any real say - it was just a matter of when, not if.

There is also Tony Jefferson, who admitted the Browns offered him the most money but he wanted to sign with Baltimore to be with a winner. They're 4-5.

Everyone else wanted to be a Brown. Pryor and Benjamin made no secret they wanted to be Browns, even though it didn't happen. Schwartz said he wanted to be a Brown, and was rumoured to have come back for the original contract. Even Gipson, who during this week has stated he wanted to leave to be a winner, but later retracted that saying, "I'd be lying if I said that I didn't want to remain a Cleveland Brown."

Meanwhile, we've had no issue extending fantastic players like Bitonio, Thomas, Kirksey and Collins.

We've had no problem signing big names like Zeitler, Tretter, Britt and McCourty. Our draft selections have been professional, committed and embraced the team. I know of no other player than Jefferson who openly did not want to be in Cleveland, especially a player we've openly targeted in free agency.

As always, our team may be young and losing, but I have not seen a single game in which I would even suggest that they've quit or not fought hard. This team isn't a bunch of guys who don't want to be here but are only here by way of draft or no other team wanting them. That is completely false.

Your desire to trash this front office consistently clouds your judgement. Harp on the losing, it is what it is, but the arguments that we can't get any players and can't get players to want to be here is completely false. Our front office, coaching staff and locker room all deserve more credit than that.

(Gip quoted as saying he wanted to be in Cleveland below)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/browns_players_feel_disrespect.html

Who in the hell said anything about payback??? Did that thought come from one of your burps or farts?



If you would regret signing with a team that signed you as a undrafted free agent, that wanted you, that gave you the chance to learn your craft, that invested money in you, and set you up to be a multi millionaire I would have to call you a stupid SOB. So I am glad I don't have to call you that LOL



Once again who said anything about LOTALTY He moved on to another team who paid him a ton of money... Good for him I am happy the kid is set for life But I am not happy he is being such a ungrateful little SOB.

F Gipson .. he ain’t worth the time we’ve invested in him ...

Lets go fight about something else ....

Boxing, or MMA this time bro

I’m not sure about U but I prefer “Rock Em Sock Um robots” at this stage of my life ... *L*

There's much to fight about, too hahahahaha. Man this team will be the death of me.

Well we are both a bit puffier than we used to be. So being on the robots, so we can sprain our thumbs

I don't have a problem with the post - but I do not see why it needs to be about the FO.

We discuss the FO on the FO thread. We bash them or judge them. We debate whether they have a plan or a clue endlessly. I think you'd agree that we debate the FO a lot, whether you think that some are too supportive or not, or whether some blame Hue more than the FO is a completely different kettle of fish. mixing the two topics up just creates issues from what I witness.

As for Gipson - his comments - that's a worthwhile discussion all of it's own. He made them, they got national airplay and it was aimed at the Browns .... And the multiple regimes he played for and how dysfunctional the Browns are might be a part of that - but it's not the central subject.

If Gipson's comments aren't a diss to the team - why am I reading so many comments from the Browns player's and their reaction and Hue himself? All the ones I have seen saying that it is bulletin board material and trash talking/disrespectful. . . . .

I have a suspicion that if there was a bunch of players coming out in the media saying that what Gipson said was no big deal .... then many would grab that and tell anyone like myself who sees it as disrespectful that my opinion is wrong. I guess when the players and HC talk and support the view that Gipson was wrong - that just gets ignored or overlooked?

Again - if a new Browns signing came out and said something like that against their old team the week before the Browns played them ... no matter how factually accurate it was .... posters would lose their minds with frustration.

GM, I get your point, but I am not sure I can buy the “you owe your entire NFL career” reasoning. Yes, the Browns brought him into the league, but if we didn’t I am sure someone else would have given him a shot at some point.

Not too long ago someone said to me something about how lucky we were Edison invented the light bulb as we’d be sitting in the dark. I think at some point over these 125 or so years someone else may have done it had Edison not.

Jaguars WR Dede Westbrook came up 165 yards short of his predicted 200-yard receiving game.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/932366983668142081

We didn't get shut out and they didn't score 40, too.

The Browns lost.

Seriously? Who'd have known if it weren't for you.

Which is why I put a silly little dancing... something... to denote that it was a tongue-in-cheek post.

Yet, it remains true that we didn't take the 40-0 thumping that Gipson promised. That others assumed would occur. We took that game down the final minutes and came up short - yet another game in which I feel our players were able to beat the other team, but not beat themselves.

Call me crazy, but I just want to see what happens when these guys aren't kids anymore.