Josh Allen looked really good and could be as good as any QB in this draft ... JMHO
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Mayfield is gonna have to answer a lot of questions in the Georgia game. I'm still not sure he can win from the pocket against a good defensive team. It's easy to look good against the Big 12, but another thing to play against good defenses that have NFL players on them.
You guys. Really what questions. To play against a good team?
I think people can't see the forest for the trees.
Can he make NFL throws against NFL talent would be the main question. Or are we seeing the Tebow/Manziel effect?
Mayfield is gonna have to answer a lot of questions in the Georgia game. I'm still not sure he can win from the pocket against a good defensive team. It's easy to look good against the Big 12, but another thing to play against good defenses that have NFL players on them.
He and Oklahoma beat Ohio State. Handily. TCU also twice. Also handily. Although someone posted Mayfield really didn't impress vs buckeyes because he threw for 380+ yds but completed only 3 passes thrown over 15 yards.
So I guess you could say he can beat a team any number of ways. Mayfield is an absolute beast from the pocket. He has been better from the pocket than any quarterback in the draft. And yes, he can make all the throws.
Apologies. I didn't want to turn this into a Baker Mayfield thread, but just commenting on some questions/comments.
The more I read and watch this guy, the more I like. He fits the build of an AFCN quarterback.
If the Browns truly like this guy, I hope they don't screw around with trades, and just take the guy at 1. You don't need to stock up on more picks. You are going to have the 4th or 5th pick. You have a lot more picks. Don't you dare let someone jump up and take the guy because you think you can get him at 4/5. This obsession with draft picks is ridiculous.
If they aren't that crazy about him, they can do what they want, but for once, I would really like to see them get aggressive with a QB they really like.
Just putting this out there, if we take Josh Allen first overall, as Peter King's source suggested, then I will vomit all over myself.
agreed
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Just putting this out there, if we take Josh Allen first overall, as Peter King's source suggested, then I will vomit all over myself.
lol, watching that Iowa game, I saw some good things out of him.
He didn't get much help this year from Wyoming at all. But I do think (if we took him), he'd have to sit a year
I agree with the Jake Locker comparison a bit
Honestly, I really hope he goes to the Senior Bowl. That's gonna be a great place to evaluate these guys. Hope Hue gets to coach Senior Bowl again too. Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Josh Allen. That would be a great group
If he doesn't go to the senior bowl, doubt we could draft him with the 1 pick.
Overall, Josh Rosen seems to be the best prospect to me. Just has to check out medically/character
Wyoming QB Josh Allen is going to accept invite to Reese’s Senior Bowl after graduating as 4th year junior. Elevates magnitude of Sr Bowl week. Expect announcement today.
Wyoming QB Josh Allen is going to accept invite to Reese’s Senior Bowl after graduating as 4th year junior. Elevates magnitude of Sr Bowl week. Expect announcement today.
Allen just looks like he has the skill set Dorsey looks for in his QBs, he seems to like a big arm and mobility. But it’s all just speculation on my part, I’m just going on what he’s drafted in the past. He seems to like guys who can create something from scrambling but not necessarily to run with the ball but be able to throw on the run. That’s Allen’s forte throwing on the run. I don’t necessarily like Allen that high in the draft myself but it’s Dorsey’s pick, not mine. I could very well see him drafting someone else, but idk if Rosen would fit what he’s looking for, Darnold I could see. We will see, there’s still a lot that has to play out.
Dorsey was the GM in KC from the 2013 to 2017 drafts.
2013 - No Qb taken 2014 - Aaron Murray 2015 - No Qb taken 2016 - Kevin Hogan 2017 - Pat Mahomes
Mahomes is the only guy with a big arm. All are pretty mobile but no one considered Hogan mobile untile the Bengals game last year Murray and Hogan are smart, don't know about Mahomes All are pretty accurate
Seems like Mayfield fits the mold the most Darrnold seems next closest.
Of course only Mahomes was a 1st round pick. should we weight him more heavily? Mahomes was at the end of Dorsey's reign in KC. Was he actually Andy Reid's pick and thus weighted less?
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Went back and read my original take. I stand behind it.
From the get go I felt like Allen was the darkhorse in this race.
Allen represents the forever risk/reward scenario.
The NFL has proven over and over again that selecting quarterbacks is no easy task. Lots of great quarterbacks were passed over by many. Start with Brady and Brees.
Allen may look the part like Hackenberg and end up playing like him. He could also be another John Elway.
I think he goes in the first round. And it may well be to Denver.
I think speculating what 'type' of QB Dorsey may like is unknowable guesswork.
I have been keeping silent on this, but I totally agree w/you. I don't think there is a specific type. I think he takes the guy who he thinks is the best.
I think speculating what 'type' of QB Dorsey may like is unknowable guesswork.
I have been keeping silent on this, but I totally agree w/you. I don't think there is a specific type. I think he takes the guy who he thinks is the best.
Just like other evaluators do.
what if the clue is in the QB currently on the team, though?
Mahomes and his passing ability, for example, is way more talented than Alex Smith has shown throughout his career. one of the many criticisms -valid or not- about smith is his hesitation to throw the ball deep. Mahomes and Alex smith will play nothing alike.
thinking speaking out loud.
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That's kind of what I'm saying. Smith and Mahommes are different types of QBs and Dorsey went after both. The one thing they have in common are they are both mobile.
I could be wrong..........I just don't think we can say he will take Rosen because blah, blah, blah. Or, he will take Mayfield because of blah, blah, blah. Etc.
I just think he takes who is best. I do think Hue will have a say, too.
There is a question I had to ask myself: "What if Dorsey selected Allen?"
Man that is a hard one with Darnold and Rosen sitting right there.
The only reason that I can come with is Allen would have had to just blow everyone away during the process.
Game film is king but the thing about college and college stats is there is a lot to the story that unless you are heavily involved in the investigation you will not see it.
Inside a college program there may be valid reasons for lack of consistent production. Poor receivers, injuries, OL issues of all kinds, running game, coaches, schemes.
Great scouting sees through all that and finds the real player.
That is why this process can be so difficult.
So much easier when the prospect has followed a known path. Highly recruited high school player. Goes to a big time program. Plays in a NFL type system. Plays four years. Wins and wins in big games.
But great players don't always travel that path. Wentz and Allen were not recruited by big programs. They rose in nontraditional fashion.
In cases like that it is all about scouting and figuring the guy out.
I have great respect for Dorsey and the team of people he has put together. If they were to come to the conclusion that Allen was the guy; then I would feel there must be valid reasons for that choice.
Haven't seen the kid play...read he has a live arm. But I just would not want a kid who cannot throw 60% completion in college. Just don't want him, period.
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Ewww.........I know it was a highlight video, but man, that was pretty bad. He does have a big arm, great size, and mobility, but the dude doesn't set his feet when he throws. He throws against his body a lot. He throws across the grain of defense.
All of that will lead to inaccuracy and picks.
I will watch more, but I was totally unimpressed by that highlight video.
Looking at this draft class, it is VERY reminiscent of the 2004 draft class. You have the quarterback recruited highly, playing in a pro system, that is kind of seen as the premadonna (Rosen/Manning). You have the unconventional quarterback who was a high recruit, but you just don't know how he will transition in the NFL (Rivers/Darnold). You have the big strong mobile quarterback from a low competition school, who has all the measurables and intangibles you dream about, but you worry about the transition from weak competition college schools (Roethlisberger/Allen).
Heck, you even have a dark horse Tulane quarterback that could get picked earlier than expected (Tanner Lee / JP Losman). Matt Schaub, Jim Sorgi and Luke McCown were also picked in this draft.
But, what I am saying is that this could be the most solid top to bottom draft class since 2004. If any of those top 3 turn into Manning/Rivers/Roethlisberger for us it would be a huge win! Whichever one we choose, we just have to hope it is more like this, where all 3 were winners and no one really "lost" and not like 1998, where Peyton became great and the Chargers very much lost!!!
That's pretty fair, I think that this class reminds me of the 2014 draft. You have ~5 QBs who could be first round talents and I think that 3 of them are franchise QBs. Then you have the all star pretenders in JFF and Bortles.
Ewww.........I know it was a highlight video, but man, that was pretty bad. He does have a big arm, great size, and mobility, but the dude doesn't set his feet when he throws. He throws against his body a lot. He throws across the grain of defense.
All of that will lead to inaccuracy and picks.
I will watch more, but I was totally unimpressed by that highlight video.
C'mon bro, totally unimpressed?
Everything you said is correct. However, the throwing against his body is because he's on the run out of the pocket, throwing against the grain of the defense is always dangerous... but he's got a cannon - prerequisite #1.
I rarely see him set his feet unless he's throwing a dart... not good. Question. Do you look at someone like that and think he is "fixable"?
I haven't watched him, Fate. I just watched that video and him throwing against his body and not setting his feet were a big turnoff. I can see why his completion percentage was so low. A lot of high risk throws.
I will watch some game day tapes and update my impressions. We have at least one poster who says you can't learn anything from highlight videos, but I think you can by studying mechanics. I was not impressed by that video.
Let me amend that. I like his size, arm, and mobility. But man, he has some bad habits and tendencies.
