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By Tom Reed, Cleveland.com treed@cleveland.com
ATLANTA, Ga. – As Brian Hoyer stood outside the Browns locker room describing his team's great escape, Tashaun Gipson sat in the back of a golf cart 15 feet away, crutches at his side, hood draped over his head, the cost of victory etched on his face.

The Browns' 26-24 win over the Falcons strengthened the belief that a postseason berth could be in their near future. It's a future that might not include Gipson, however.

The club lost the free safety to a potentially serious fourth-quarter knee injury in a collision with cornerback Joe Haden. Coach Mike Pettine said Gipson – the NFL's leader with six interceptions – will undergo an MRI in Cleveland on Monday.

The team is bracing for bad news. If Gipson is lost for an extended period or the remainder of the season, the Browns would turn to veteran Jim Leonhard and youngster Jordan Poyer. It would be a major loss for a defense that's been decimated by injury on the line and played Sunday without standout inside linebacker Karlos Dansby (knee).

The third-year safety is playing at a Pro Bowl level and a big reason the Browns are among the league leaders with 15 interceptions.

"Gipson is one of the best safeties, one of the top three in the NFL for sure," Haden said. "Losing him, you can't replace him, but in the NFL nobody is going to feel bad for you."

The injury occurred early in the fourth quarter as the Falcons drove for a touchdown that cut their deficit to 23-21. Both Haden and Gipson broke on a Matt Ryan pass intended for Julio Jones at the goal line. Each went for the ball, unaware of their teammate's presence. The collision was thunderous and frightening as a replay showed Gipson's right leg bending awkwardly sideways on impact.

I genuinely appreciate the prayers from everyone that means a lot! God is good and he will see me through il get through it. 7-4. #GoBrowns

— Tashaun J. Gipson SR (@Gipson_duos24) November 23, 2014
Haden, flagged for holding, remained dazed on the Georgia Dome turf for several moments. Cornerback Buster Skrine ran immediately to Gipson. After several minutes, Gipson tried to walk off the field with assistance, but the pain forced him to sit back down. He left the field on a cart, a towel pulled over his head.

"(The Falcons) were running double posts and I went after my second pick and Gip came out of the post and made a great break on it, too," Haden explained. "I didn't see him until we hit.

"Losing a great player like that is big, but we've lost Alex (Mack) and Karlos. It's next man up for everybody on this team. Everyone is ready for (his) opportunity."

Gipson, who suffered a concussion two weeks ago, walked from the locker room after the game on crutches. He sat in the back of the golf cart for several minutes because the driver could not negotiate the cluster of media members assembled for the Hoyer news conference.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_browns_lose_tashaun.html

This isn't the first time Gipson has dealt with injury issues. He missed five games in 2014 while with the Cleveland Browns because of a torn MCL. He also missed three games in 2015 from Weeks 5 to 7 thanks to an ankle injury, and it even nagged him after his return.

Prior to the Browns' Week 9 game, Gipson overcame those same ankle problems to play against the Cincinnati Bengals. He also dealt with an illness before Week 10's contest against the Baltimore Ravens.


Gipson is in the midst of his first season with the Jags after recording 14 interceptions in four seasons with the Browns. So far in 2016, he has 10 tackles, one pass defended and one interception.

Gipson is an elite safety when healthy as a former Pro Bowler, but he's appeared in all 16 games in a single season just once.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/25890...knee-and-return

torn MCL, concussions, another knee injury, ankle etc.

I don't dismiss his pro bowl year or the two (partial) good years out of four that he gave us. In fact he was a bright spot at one time. But he can hardly be considered elite given his entire body of work. Four interceptions since he left, his production has declined. Maybe he has to engage less frequently but he hasn't returned to the pro bowl. I believe his over-valuation of himself had more to do with him leaving than ineptitude or mis-management by the FO. And his chirping ticks me off.

Damn right I expect respect.

I am the same way...you don't bash my Browns. that means the players, the team, the whole organization, and the City of Cleveland. I will fire back.

Did you take the time to actually read Gipson's comments? I posted some of them. Did you read them? It doesn't sound like it. I can post more actual quotes from Gipson if you like. Will you read them? Will you look at it w/an open mind?

This is a fact. Sashi had more time to try and sign Gipson and the other FA's than any of the teams that eventually signed them. That is not subjective. It is real.

We have about 5-7 guys on here who are rewriting history and defend the FO no matter what. They manipulate the facts and are transferring blame to Hue. I keep reading how Hue mismanages the clock each week. Complete BS! I read how Hue made all the bad picks and the FO made all the good picks. LOL..........how in the hell would anyone know that?

Don't become one of them, bro.

I’ll NEVER become one of them ... NEVER ... i stick u for the FO when i don’t think they did anything wrong .. i call themnout when I believe they f’d up ... i’m Well aware they HAVE WARTS ... just like i do with Hue .. he also has WARTS while at the same time getting blamed for thins hes not responsible for ...

We’ve talked about this for years .... one of the big differences between us ... i don’t waste my time with those fellas on either side ... i don’t feel the need to point out there BS ... everyone can see it ...

As for the articles with quotes from Gipson ....

Did i read them all .... NO ... did i read some .. YES ...

I get the jist ...

He was a guy looking to get paid ... whats he suppose to say ... hell with my current team the org, xuxks and is a bunch of losers .... that oughta get other teams fired up about signing him ... ...

I think with Mack and Gipson this FO NEVER had a chance .... i think your blaming them for things they had NO CONTROL OVER ...

I could be wrong ... but thats how i see it ...

U want to talk about Schwartz and Gabriel and a few other moves ... i’m In .. WARTS ..... IMO they had no chance with Mack and Gipson ...

This not BS. Hue regularly mismanages the clock.

Not to excuse him but it's a surprisingly common occurrence among NFL head coaches. At the professional level. Baffles me.

But it's nowhere close to BS. When you have color analysts who do their best to keep it objective calling out time management issues during the broadcast it's pretty bad.

Gipson and Schwartz were two guys who should have been resigned. They are massive warts on the tenure of this FO. My recollection is the Browns had ample opportunity to resign Gipson. They simply chose not to because they are smarter than everyone else.

I agree 100% with you on Hue mismanaging the clock. At some point you have to think that is going to wear on the players.


But I disagree with you 100% on Gipson and Schwartz. Coleman has been great at RT for us, don't miss Schwartz. Our defense is much improved from when Gipson was here, we don't miss him today. Would much rather have Kindred and Peppers.

VERS

The post above is one of the ones that needs NO RESPONSE ... its so ludricoous and driven by his HATRED OF HUE and LOVE OF THE FO ...

Anyone with a clue can see that ....

He’s another one that has become like mac ... UNREADABLE ...

So step away from the keyboard and DON’T REPLY ... NOTHING GOOD CAN COME OF IT ...

Focus on the football stuff ... thats what u enjoy and you know your stuff ...

Reading and replying to posters Ike me and bone and purp and pitt and gm and many more is way more fun and WE ALL GET TO LEARN ...

Why would u choose to spend your time fighting with the haters .... IGNORE THEM bro ... their not worth it on many levels ...

PS. I do agree with the time mgmt. WART on Hue .. it doesn’t happen every game ... but it HAPPENS ALOT ... he’s mismanaged end of half and game situations wrong almost every single time ... some games he’s just not given the opportunity to mis manage them ... sorry bro, but thats the truth of the matter ....

I don't hate Hue, but thanks for making stuff up. I expect nothing less.

Two things I'm pointing out are 1) Hue isn't a very good Head Coach, but he can improve (I hope) and 2) we have our best front office since 1999.

I've been trying to ignore him--and some others. LOL....really, I have.

Diam, every coach mismanages the clock at times. Hue has had a couple of times where he has mismanaged the clock. The part I said was BS is the part about it being done "weekly." That is simply not true.

And yes, I have been defending Hue vigorously recently. I saw this coming and even predicted it several times. However, I think people are forgetting that I used to get bashed for "hating" Hue. LOL

I started a thread about his ability to "evaluate" qbs. That went over well. LOL I used to question just what he has done to get the title of "QB Whisperer?" That really went over well. I started a thread about him taking his head set off "during" a game and handing the play calling duties over to Pep. That went over famously. LMAO

So bro, I know he has warts. However, I think he is being unfairly blamed and crucified by too many people. You seen me go down this road before. It's as simple as that, bro.

It's funny how you can be so right and so wrong in such a short part of your post. lol

Is our D improved? Yes it is. Do we have a legitimate FS? No we don't. Just because your D improves doesn't mean you have improved at every position. Gipson at this time is an average FS. That's far better than anyone we have at the FS position. The position has been weakened by Gipsons departure.

And JAX D is a much better D than ours, so if Gipson is a starter there....

Also, I don't believe we can really assess the quality of a D until we have a competitive team...

I don't understand how a top 10 D in the league can be 0-10?

This is only relevant because we are losing.

This whole thing about complaining Gipson isn't here is pretty laughable. I'm sure we could go over to the Patriots message boards and there will be a load of people upset Collins isn't there.

Winning solves everything. We wouldn't care about Gipson if we were winning and Gipson isn't going to help us do that any more than the players that are here.

Winning or losing doesn't make a certain position change. We are worse off at the position. Now you can dance around that all you like. You don't build a team by continuing to create more holes. And it's so silly calling it complaining. It's simply stating the facts. You can label that complaining all you like but that doesn't change anything.

I suppose you could make an argument that Gipson would be an improvement over Peppers, but I disagree. I think Peppers is a far better tackler than Gipson. Kindred is a very good safety and I think the two of them are big reasons why we are better vs the run this year, something that isn't one of Gipson's strong suits, hence one of the reasons why you can run on the Jaguars.

Actually I think one of the problems we have is that we keep on playing Peppers...

There are a few games we could have won, only if he was benched and we had an average FS.

We had a good FS, but the dumb-ass FO let him walk.

FWIW, I would take Mike Adams over Gipson.

Just take a look at the turnover ratio for your answer.

They play Peppers 20-25 yards off the LOS because he can't cover. Peppers has never been and is not a FS. You are dead wrong. Peppers is playing totally out of position.

Everyone pretty much knows this so I'll end on that note.

he played some corner in collage...

Because games are won with Points, not Yards.
We are Bottom 5 in Points/Game.

Also because other teams don't have to break a sweat against us, so they are mostly managing the 2nd half of the games and not pushing it.

When other teams need, they score on our top 10 D, without a problem (except for the last game). IMHO until we are competitive, we cannot tell how good our D is based on stats.

So you're saying his strength is playing FS? Really? I didn't think so.

He had no position on college (he was listed has a SAM/OLB/nickelback), so no matter what position he played in the NFL,he would always be out of position.

IMHO, Peppers is just a bad player, position has nothing to do with it. Bad fundamentals and bad football awareness, he lived on his athleticism in Michigan, but that's not enough in the NFL.

He's supposed to be very intelligent, but so far he's showing he is a very slow learner.

Hope I'm wrong, I have nothing against the kid.

When a player is known for rushing, reading plays at the LOS and blowing them up, you don't put him 20 yards off the LOS.

Now I wasn't thrilled with the Peppers pick. I considered him a Jack of all trades and a master of none. However, he did exhibit certain talents. In that regard, I didn't consider him an automatic bust.

But being on a Gipson thread and for a poster to say they like Peppers better than Gipson at the FS position is nothing short of moronic.

im saying he should be able to do it.. and i guess he does better than anyone else on the team or they wouldnt have him doing it...

Like I said, we don't have a real FS so they have him doing it.

Peppers is/was known for his lack of football awareness/instincts. He's also known for his lack of discipline.

You don't want a SS that plays like that, and he's undersized to be a LB in the NFL. We also already have Collins with the same problems....

He has very bad fundamentals, I don't think he's ready to even suit up in a NFL team.

Practice squads have much better FS's than Peppers

I'm not dead wrong... but thanks for playing.

10,000 comedians out of work and you're trying to be funny. Like I said, anyone who knows anything about the game of football knows Gipson is a legit. FS and Peppers is not. Except you maybe. lmao

Putting words in people's mouths is like the thing to do around here. If you're referring to me I never said I'd rather have Peppers over Gipson at FS. But again, I love how everyone around just makes things up.

Peppers isn't even a legit NFL football player... Why the worst player in the team gets a pass, its beyond me honestly.

He's worst than Justin Gilbert...

Is this when I'm supposed to say, "Now you're making it personal"?

Hello McFly!

Doesn't Biff get manure dumped on him?