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There are very good reasons that makes him seem like the real deal. He has the arm, size and strength to be the prototypical NFL QB. Not only that, coming from a pro style offense, you can see that he goes through his progressions quickly, has the ability to scan the field and seems to have a good grasp of reading the defense. Rumors are rumors but what he does well on the field is undeniable.

QB Josh Rosen is 'best NFL fit' for Browns

Cleveland could look to college for their next quarterback again.

Josh Edwards - 3 hours ago

The Cleveland Browns look no closer to solving their quarterback problem today than they have since their return in 1999.

The answer may be found in the 2018 NFL Draft, however. Bleacher Report's Matt Miller calls UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen the 'best NFL fit' for the Browns.

"We don't know who will be running the Browns next season or what that offense will look like, but I see Rosen as having the personality to walk into the locker room and believe he's the man to turn this franchise around. I told a Cleveland radio station this week that Rosen's confidence and personality could make him the Troy Aikman of the Browns," Miller said.

Head coach Hue Jackson was a big fan of quarterback Jared Goff in the 2016 NFL Draft. Comparisons to Goff would suggest that Rosen would be a good fit for Jackson's offense. There is no denying the quarterback's skill set. However, there are some concerns about injuries and his character.

"Rosen makes everything look pretty as a passer. Physically, he reminds me of Jared Goff with a lean frame but beautiful footwork and a clean, compact stroke as a passer. The downside is that he's struggled with injuries in college (knee, shoulder, concussion), and there are rumors out there among NFL scouts that he's not well-liked by his coaching staff. All that must be weighed throughout the draft process, but if teams are comfortable with Rosen's personality, they could get a truly elite passer with touch accuracy and the field vision from the pocket teams generally die for."

In a battle between USC quarterback Sam Darnold and Rosen Saturday, Rosen looked like the superior prospect. He completed 32-of-52 passes for 421 yards, three touchdowns and an interception. Darnold's Trojans emerged with the 28-23 victory.

The California native has completed 269-of-433 passes for 3,515 yards, 24 touchdowns and ten interceptions this season.

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It won't go that deep in to the season. 0-4-5-6 probably gets Hue the axe.

I think Hue and I have about the same chance of coaching the Browns in 2018. It also equals the equal number of wins we share in 2017.

Report: Peyton Manning reports are 'untrue'
More misdirection surrounding Peyton Manning in Cleveland.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...-true-110812614

The back and forth of Peyton Manning reports continued in Berea Sunday.

In recent months, it was reported that Manning was in Cleveland. One person claimed that it was football-related while another disagreed. Then, it was reported that the Cleveland Browns had a 'very strong and sincere' interest in the former NFL quarterback. Cleveland.com has since reported that those reports are 'untrue.'

"Other league insiders say there's nothing to the flurry of rumors surrounding [Browns owner Jimmy] Haslam's pursuit of the future Hall of Fame quarterback, including that Manning has already been looking for houses in the Cleveland area."

Haslam has a relationship with Manning dating back to the quarterback's high school recruitment at the University of Tennessee. Haslam is a huge booster for the Volunteers.

The role that Manning would fill is a bit of a mystery. He has no experience as an executive in the NFL. Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown and the rest of the front office are still employed by the Browns. It is believed that Manning would seek some ownership in the franchise.

Former NFL players have had success going from the field to the front office. John Elway and John Lynch have followed the same paths with the Denver Broncos and San Francisco 49ers respectively.

Perhaps you should listen to yourself.

Many people said that the Eagles were going to have a worse record than the Browns last year. I even bet one guy on it. I took the Eagles. LOL

Btw--------Philly's offensive talent last year sucked! Big time. So, maybe before you call someone out, you should do some research.

Yeah I was reading about him last night on the other thread. I like Rosen right now. I believe we draft a QB high, no matters what happens.

I kinda agree with this. I think at the time this was a great move, but in hindsight even the front office realizes their mistake. But they can't necessarily come out and say that can they? And this is not a reason to fire a front office. Were there a bunch of front offices fired because they passed on Tom Brady, or Ben Roethlisberger, or Russell Wilson?

I like the right girl, wrong time analogy. And this is essentially what the front office had said. So now you realized she was the right girl, should you have tried dating her anyway? Maybe. But that time period is over. It seems as though a lot of people here like to sulk about missing out on something than moving on and finding the next best thing. It's as if Wentz was the last quarterback in the universe.

I think the "fire the front office," "retain the head coach," people are missing the big picture. Everyone seems to want to point to the record and say something is wrong, and there are probably more people skeptical of the front office than of hue Jackson, so it must be the front office, right?

Wrong. Consider where we are talent-wise vs 2 years ago. These guys have built a top 10 defense, built a pretty good offensive line, drafted stars at WR and TE (coleman and njoku). Yes, we still need that quarterback.

I've heard the ridiculous false thoughts about us having a cheap owner, a cheap front office and directly correlating it with this "moneyball" notion. Go watch the movie again, moneyball isn't about saving money. No. It's about trying to find ways to win in new innovative ways. We didn't draft the QB first, we built the team first.

Think Denver when they added Peyton Manning. But we aren't going to trade or sign our Peyton Manning, we are going to draft him.

I believe a lot of people including some of our fans believe we are a hot mess and still years from competing. I've got good news. We are a lot closer than you realize. And by competing I mean for the playoffs.

I don't believe our front office will be going anywhere. I don't believe we are going to add Peyton Manning (thankfully). I think it's up to Hue Jackson if he stays. He's got work to do these last 6 games to prove himself.

Unfortunately this "blame" everyone wants to place on someone for being 0-10 (1-25) will never be resolved. If Hue ends up being fired, the Hue supporters will always say he got a raw deal. If the front office is fired, their supporters will always say Hue let them down. But make no mistake, if we go on to the playoffs within the next 2-3 years, the front office will be to blame.

We have so many great draft picks in the next draft and our front office earned the right to make those picks. I wouldn't want anyone else to make those picks. And I think the time is right, let's go get the girl.

Nice post.

Drafted stars at Wr and TE, I think they are much closer to being busts than properly stars...IMHO they are average.

Top 10 Defense and we are 0-10?

I think Until we are competitive in games, we cannot assess the quality of our D.

Sachi is a terrible GM and Hue is a terrible coach, I don't think we need more time to determine that.

We have been here, people defending regimes based on the talent of team, only to discover that the team has no talent...

Reality is that we have at most 2 difference makers on the team, and probably one is not returning.

All the others, IMHO, aren't worth the pick they were selected.

I can agree. With most. I would suggest we have made a number of strategy and pass errors and others that some other input should enhance this draft. The talent addition can help; if it is agreed upon by the FO and Hue. great; if they are all at odds, they are not done. Good draft picks won't hurt you; Our decisions have been less than wonderful. We need to cash this one out, use some cap for proven FA pickups, and I think we are closer. But some status quo SOP needs to be changed, not tweaked, for this draft.

As far as Coleman, he's been hurt with freak hand injuries. I get the speculation, but I think in his limited time he's been productive.

Njoku is on the field 44% of the time. Not even half the time. OJ Howard sees 72% of the snaps, Evan Engram in NY is on the field for 81% of the snaps. Do you think the front office tells Hue not to play Njoku? If you double Njoku's production, it's better than Engram. We have an offensive weapon that we're not even utilizing! What good would it do for the FO to draft athletes if Hue doesn't use them?

I'm not as smart as Hue Jackson when it comes to running an offense, but if our receivers are as bad as everyone says, wouldn't you put the 6'4" 240 lb Njoku on the field almost every time?

It was also brought up many times by many people here and other places that Duke Johnson is our best receiver, but he's only seen the field 53% of the time!

People have been clamoring for a front office change due to lack of talent, but our most talented players aren't even on the field!

I don't think Sashi is a terrible GM, if that's the label you want to give him. Our defense, I think, proves that. And I'm not necessarily calling him our talent evaluator. Look at the guys they've brought in, Ogbah, Schobert, Kindred, Garrett, Ogunjobi, McCourty, Peppers, Boddy-Calhoun, Collins, etc... These are the guys the front office brought in.

We rank 26th in time of possession (offense) and 8th in yards allowed (defense). The only two teams in the top ten of yards allowed with losing records are the Browns and the Broncos... and the Broncos have 3 wins! We are 0-10! The Giants rank 31st and the 49ers rank 27th while the Browns rank 8th in yards allowed!

I would love to see the stats on worst record with a top 10 defense because I bet it's not even close, the Browns take the cake!

But here we are with many people arguing to keep Hue Jackson over the Front Office. LOL

I'm telling ya, the front office has a much better chance of sticking around than Hue Jackson.... and really, it's not close. I don't own an NFL team, but hearing some of these things, I'm going to want more answers from Hue Jackson than I would of the front office.

It's really hard to place all the blame on the front office, I really don't get it. My mind is blown every time I read, "I think the front office is gone and Hue remains," what a disaster that would be.

j/c:

Actually, thanks for posting this, it kinda proves my point.

I really don't know what credibility this Cole Shelton guy has, is he just a random journalist or a true NFL analyst? Reading this and the grade I'm going to guess he's not an analyst and this is just more BS.

So, a player needs to be on the field to be productive, right? He was thrown to once this past Sunday. The author of the article doesn't mention why Njoku isn't on the field except they want to bring him along slowly because he's 21.

He also says drop rate is alarming, but he never mentioned how many drops Njoku has... the answer is 3. He's been thrown to 39 times, caught 20 passes. I'd like to see the 16 passes that weren't caught.

People present these articles as a dis on the receiver, but I think this says far more about our state of affairs at QB and the offensive scheme we run. Sure, bring Njoku along slowly, but as crappy as our QB has been, I'd still put Njoku on the field.

I like how the author of the article also conveniently left out that Njoku leads the team in receiving TDs. But yet here we are talking about how bad Njoku is because some journalist wanted to make the Browns front office look bad....again.

Nice try Cole Shelton.... and thanks for proving my point.

STATS ARE FOR ....

And u just proved it once again ...

3 drops my ass ... what a CROCK!!!!

the first few weeks Njoku couldnt catch anything. He was horrid. He has improved tremendously but like against the lions he made a mistake that got his QB murdered.

this staff is doing a good job developing the talent other than at QB. Greg Williams took a lot of kids everyone had written off and has them balling.

We have 2 young tackles playing well. They arent perfect but they are showing they can play and i am far from disappointed. Njoku and Devalve are becoming weapons. Coleman improved despite injury. He is running good routes and he is catching the ball. Duke has took his play to a new level. He is a true weapon both as runner and receiver.

Now Hue hasnt improved the QB room at all. that was his primary purpose. His clock management has cost us games. He makes playcalls that are absurd but all coaches do. Problem however is that he began trying to protect his ass and take shots while making it a power struggle.

I would probably keep hue if he would stop crying through silver and give up playcaling and focus on being a headcoach. if not, I would probably promote Tabor to HC and have him hire someone to run the O, while keeping the D intact. Tabor keeps survivng maybe he can survive more than 2 years as hc.

j/c:

I know that Hue isn't as smart as some of our fans, but I wonder if Njoku's cut in playing time has anything to do w/his blocking? Did anyone see the play against the Lions where Kizer hurt his ribs? Who was that guy on the edge? I wonder if has anything to do w/his drops? I wonder if he even runs the correct routes?

I think Njoku has potential. I think he is a very rare athlete. I don't think he is a very good "football" player right now. He might end up becoming one, but I don' think his snaps have decreased because Hue is ignorant.

j/c

Njoku came in extremely raw. No one familiar with him when we drafted him thought otherwise. He's had some drops, and he's had some amazing catches. IMHO, He's not on the field enough, and he's not targeted enough by the QB. He may make mistakes because he is so raw, but his upside potential is enormous.

JMHO

Yeah, that was plain awful, and he looked like he'd just been punched in the stomach when he realized that block was his. I'm sure Hue is limiting his reps to mitigate any possible damage he may do, while still trying to get him acclimated and trained, and to give him reps. I would like to see him out there more though. But that just may be me.

Hue would probably like to see him out there more, too. LOL

lol, and you're saying if he could block better he'd be out there more? Probably true.

I don't necessarily agree. There are very good pass catching tight ends who aren't necessarily good blockers.

I get he needs to develop, but he also played WR in college and as dreadful as our WR supposedly are, why not use him? He's underutilized.

Our TE group as a whole, are underutilized...

I don't disagree that he should be on the field more for his pass catching, I just happen to agree he's probably not out there more because of his (lack of) blocking ability. I can understand the POV that putting him out there solely for pass catching would telegraph the play. He needs to learn his blocking assignments, and he needs to block better. When he does that, it will no longer be an issue, IMHO.

Yet I never said any of that. I said that we would be set at the most important, most valuable position in the NFL. QB. Just look at the price NFL teams pay for competent back up QB's. For mid level journeymen QB's. The HUGE price they pay to move up in the draft to get their QB. You NEVER pass or trade away a franchise QB. Never!

You can get the type of players we drafted via that trade in most any draft. You don't always get the opportunity to land a franchise QB. Why don't you go back and show me where I said we would have been a competitive team last year? You can't. Actually, if you go back and look I openly stated that Wentz would
not have had as many wins or as good of stats had he been drafted here. Pretty much the opposite of what you are saying. lol

And actually, last year Wentz didn't even look very good with Philly. So I have no clue what point you're trying to make here. None as far as I can tell.

Let me tell you what we would have had. We would have had the franchise QB position addresses for the next 12 years or so. Something that hasn't been done since Bernie was drafted in the 80's.

So go ahead and tell me that isn't what this FO wasn't hired to do and how much better off we are by passing on a true franchise QB. You can blow hot air, but you have no point to actually make here.

Agreed. He did almost get Kizer killed.

But as we are playing Kizer so he can learn, and playing Peppers so he can learn (this one is a guess by me, I suppose that is the plan) then we should play Njoku as well so he can learn. Get the reps.

It is possible but I don't think it is the plan. I believe Peppers is playing his current position because we simply don't have a legitimate FS and he's the most gifted athlete to hold the spot currently until we actually have a FS.

I understand that NFL teams sometimes draft players to change their positions. But that rarely happens in the first round. That's a very high investment to make in hoping a player pans out at a new position.

Pit, that is kind of what I was thinking. We keep trotting him out at FS in the hopes he somewhat figures it out and improves. Not necessarily so that he becomes the long term answer, but so that he can get acclimated to the NFL game.

Pit - I get what you are saying 100%. I'm not even going to elaborate on that - I get it I just don't 100% agree.

The reason I don't agree is that in your summation you are taking it as a given that we passed on a Franchise QB. And at the time of the draft - what we are passing on (or picking) are players with potential. . . . And for every Wentz - there are a dozen Blake Bortles or Johnny Manziels.

End of the day you have to listen to your scouts and talent evaluators. If they don't think he's a good probability to be a Franchise QB - you don't take him. And if you have significant doubt and you can trade down and get a haul of picks like we did .... I think it's the smart long term solution. Of course - you HAVE to hit on the picks you acquire.

So I agree that the FO own the Wentz miss, they didn't evaluate his talent well enough and identify that he SHOULD have been the pick. But I disagree that you simply always take a QB till you have one.

Recent 1st round misses : EJ Manual. Geno Smith. J Maziel. Bortles. Weeden, . Jake Locker. Gabbert. Christian Ponder. Tim Tebow. Mark Sanchez. Josh Freeman. Russell and Brady Quinn. There are a lot more misses than hits.

While I agree that all of this is true, I guess that I expect some sense of accountability from people who make seven figure salaries to make these decisions. I don't expect the same from fans, supposed "draft gurus". There are only 32 GM jobs in the NFL. They are supposed to be the cream of the crop when making these decisions. You either have the ability to make those decisions or you don't. Those who can't make these decisions correctly? They're called former NFL GM's.



And it's those guys making those seven figure salaries that are responsible and hire these scouts. It's up to them to assemble a team of scouts that have the ability to make these decisions. If they've established the wrong staff, and they end up passing on a franchise QB, the fault of that lies at the top.



Yet that's what they have done. They have refused to make a big decision on one. They've tossed that stone down the road. They drafted a third round QB who most had rated much lower. They drafted a late second round pick, who our biggest Notre Dame fan on the board, (and someone whose opinion I respect), Diam, told us all wasn't ready and had accuracy issues.

The only thing they've refused to do is actually put that big, top of the first round investment to actually try to seriously address this issue.



That's why there's so many former NFL GM's. This is the job they're hired to do. I do agree with you that there are certainly more misses than hits. That's why you don't see me pimp a lot of QB's. But you also can't have a FO that watches franchise QB's get drafted by other teams while they refuse to draft them.

So I disagree with you about "drafting a QB until you find a QB". But actually I think we do agree. I don't believe you make a huge investment at the position unless you see someone who deserves that investment. Which is exactly what this FO has done when drafting Kessler and Kizer. You simply draft the position with a lesser investment on a QB you feel has some upside. You can't ignore the most important position in the game if you don't have a QB.

But what you CAN'T DO, is miss on a franchise QB when one falls into your lap. You simply HAVE TO get that decision right. Otherwise, you're no better than the fans on this board who do it for free or some supposed "draft guru" who doesn't even come close to making the seven figure salary that an NFL GM does.

There are going to be at least a couple of QB's in this draft that will end up being a franchise QB. This class is simply too talented for there not to be. You won't see a consensus pick because there is too much talent in this class for the amateurs to agree on.

The question is, will they get it right or will they prove once again not to be qualified enough to make that decision?

Great points all round. Especially that they have kicked the stone down the path ... I don't expect them to be perfect and they are going to miss on players including high first round draft picks and QB's. It happens to everyone. A few years ago Ozzie Newsome was a draft guru - this year he was under pressure for recent draft classes being less than stellar. Statistically even teams like New England are only a little ahead (it's not leaps and bounds which is what I think most imagine) of the curve regarding their draft results. . . . but 1% of differential is maybe all you need when you are at that level?

Let's hope they get their man this coming off-season. I am still hoping for Cousins. If not Cousins - Alex Smith. If not Smith .... a QB with the #1 pick of the draft.

I've got a great idea. We should have an online poll during the draft. If the fans don't like the pick, we should fire them right then and there and hire the next GM to make the next pick. You want to have more GM candidates than picks during the draft is case we trade for more picks.

If every NFL team did this back when Brady was drafted in the 6th round about 150 GM's would have been fired on the same day and the draft would have been much more entertaining.

They are all making 7 figures and can't make any mistakes after all.

And how many times do you believe they can pass on a franchise QB until they should be accountable to do their job?

Are you going on the record and saying Kizer isn't that QB?

I'm certainly going on record as saying we have no way of knowing and you don't pass on a franchise QB under those conditions. And actually, it sure doesn't look like Kizer is that guy.

To clarify: is this passing on someone that is viewed as a sure-fire franchise QB at the time of the Draft, or one that gets viewed as such with 20/20 hindsight?

You get paid millions to get it right. That's not hindsight.

It's their job to evaluate QB's and get it right. It seems Philly paid a boat load and got it right. Our FO didn't.

You just said that you weren't sure yet on Kizer, so how do you know that they didn't?

Maybe equal to the number of losses Hue has??



Just kidding