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This POS sat for the American National Anthem but stood for the Mexican National Anthem.
Seriously?
People are trying to get out of that country and come to ours, yet this POS honors their country and disses ours, while he is making millions here.
Kiss my grits!
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I would be sitting too if I saw this: White Ex-Cop Sentenced To 15 Years For Shooting Death Of Daughter's Black Boyfriend https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-ex-cop-sentenced-15-220053536.htmlHmm, I wonder what sort of jail sentence a black male would get if he fatally shot a cop who was dating his daughter. Would he get 15 years? We all know the answer to that question. This is why the players protest.
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Are you aware of what goes on in Mexico?
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We don’t live in Mexico. So in relevance to the protest, naming other countries is irrelevant. They are Americans protesting American problems, not Mexican ones.
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That’s all I’d respond with too if I had absolutely zero rebuttal for anything be said right now.
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I do have a rebuttal. You don't wanna hear it. That's fine. I was simply expressing my opinion that Lynch is a POS! The Mexican government is far more oppressive and corrupt than our government, yet that scum sits for ours and stands for theirs.
I have no problem w/you supporting the guy. However, it is my right to call out a piece of trash when I see it.
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You didn’t offer a rebuttal for me not to listen to.
Again, that is a deflection. Lynch is not Mexican. He’s American. He’s protesting problems in our country, not Mexico’s. There are plenty of people who are protesting for Mexico in Mexico,
You can’t even stick to what the problem is. I gave you a clear reason why players protest in way of the recent conviction of this cop. You ignored it. I explained why mentioning the Mexican problems are not the concern of Lynch, and yet you’re the one who doesn’t want to hear it.
When there is a march for Breast cancer, do you make a forum or go up to the women and go “hey, what about heart disease too? It’s just as big of a problem”.
No, you don’t, because there are ALREADY demonstrations and marches going on for heart disease.
So why, and WHO are you to dictate what players can or can’t protest about? If you want to protest the Mexican anthem, go right on ahead. But stop trying to tell people what they can or can not protest.
Not agreeing with it is one thing. Dictating protest so YOU can feel good is a completely different issue.
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I don't want to argue w/you. Lynch is a POS who has double standards. That is my opinion.
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I wonder what Lynch would be doing with his life if he had been born in Mexico, or any country in the world other than the United States for that matter.
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Probably trying to enter the United States illegally. 
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I think he's been sitting for the national anthem for a long time, even longer than the Kaep thing. And he's never mentioned why, right?
As for standing for the Mexican anthem, maybe he was afraid he'd be detained if he didn't. Sort of like shoplifting in China, you don't do something stupid in a foreign country. In the US, he has the freedom to stand, sit or kneel for his anthem.
Not taking a side or making an opinion, just guessing.
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Just found this googling around. Make of it what you will: https://www.vibe.com/2016/04/black-mexicans-erased-from-mexican-history/Black Mexicans To Rise Up Against A Constitution That Does Not Legally Recognize Them Afro-Mexicans living in Costa Chica are struggling to be officially recognized by the Mexican government as a minority group, despite having lived on the Pacific coast of Oaxaca since their ancestors were brought from Africa as slaves in the 16th Century. “When we go and ask [for recognition as a minority], they come up with excuses, or say that we don’t have an indigenous mother tongue. Language is the real criterion,” said head of Bureau for Afro-Mexican Affairs in Oaxaca Humberto Hebert Silva Silva. “We are being discriminated against.” If classified as a minority, Afro-Mexicans would be eligible to receive funding for the promotion of their culture and public health programs. Yet, the urgency for state recognition has less to do with financial support and more with the dangers of erasure. According to BBC, the black community in Costa Chica — virtually unknown beyond the region — is considering taking a page from the Zapatistas, who launched an indigenous uprising in the state of Chiapas circa 1994. “So far the black communities have endured discrimination and they have stuck to legal avenues, which they have now exhausted,” explained Humberto Hebert Silva Silva. “With the Zapatistas, the indigenous rose up, and it was an armed uprising, to claim their rights. And well, our community is thinking the same. It’s thinking, in the distant future, to rise up too.” One Clemente Jesus Lopez — director of the government office in charge of Afro-Mexicans in Oaxaca state —gave an example of the expulsion of black Mexicans by police force, recalling two separate events involving women. “One was deported to Honduras and the other to Haiti because the police insisted that in Mexico there are no black people. Despite having Mexican ID, they were deported.”
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I wonder what Lynch would be doing with his life if he had been born in Mexico, or any country in the world other than the United States for that matter. Probably playing soccer at high level.
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I wonder what Lynch would be doing with his life if he had been born in Mexico, or any country in the world other than the United States for that matter. Probably playing soccer at high level. Doubtful. Many of his physical attributes that allow him to be an elite NFL running back are either irrelevant in soccer (e.g. upper body strength) and some might even be downright harmful (e.g. explosive athletes tend to be quite bad with endurance, due to the characteristics of fast-twitch muscle fibers.) That's fine in a game where the ball is live for 11 minutes, and the offense might be on the field for 5 of that... and you can get subbed out when you're tired. Soccer has a bigger aerobic contribution and selects for different types of athletes.
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I wonder what Lynch would be doing with his life if he had been born in Mexico, or any country in the world other than the United States for that matter. So my recent trip to Europe for the Browns game opened my eyes a lot. As a black man, I felt more at home in the UK, Switzerland, and France, than any southern Ohio city I went to. So if he was born the UK, he would have been the best Rugby player ever to play the sport.
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Rugby actually does make a lot of sense in terms of skills and attributes. Good observation.
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I wonder what Lynch would be doing with his life if he had been born in Mexico, or any country in the world other than the United States for that matter. Probably playing soccer at high level. Doubtful. Many of his physical attributes that allow him to be an elite NFL running back are either irrelevant in soccer (e.g. upper body strength) and some might even be downright harmful (e.g. explosive athletes tend to be quite bad with endurance, due to the characteristics of fast-twitch muscle fibers.) That's fine in a game where the ball is live for 11 minutes, and the offense might be on the field for 5 of that... and you can get subbed out when you're tired. Soccer has a bigger aerobic contribution and selects for different types of athletes. Being athletic is god given, not developed. So if he started off playing soccer or a boxing, or cricket, his body would have developed for the particular sport and he still would have the god given athleticism that makes him elite.
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Shhhhh ... we can’t talk about that .... And dont bring up what happens to ILLEGALS in their country .... another taboo subject .... doesn’t fit their agenda well ...
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I wonder what Lynch would be doing with his life if he had been born in Mexico, or any country in the world other than the United States for that matter. Probably playing soccer at high level. Doubtful. Many of his physical attributes that allow him to be an elite NFL running back are either irrelevant in soccer (e.g. upper body strength) and some might even be downright harmful (e.g. explosive athletes tend to be quite bad with endurance, due to the characteristics of fast-twitch muscle fibers.) That's fine in a game where the ball is live for 11 minutes, and the offense might be on the field for 5 of that... and you can get subbed out when you're tired. Soccer has a bigger aerobic contribution and selects for different types of athletes. Being athletic is god given, not developed. So if he started off playing soccer or a boxing, or cricket, his body would have developed for the particular sport and he still would have the god given athleticism that makes him elite. Partially agree, partially disagree I agree to the extent that athleticism is largely god given, or genetically given-- whichever one's preference is to describe what is going on. I disagree with lumping all forms of athleticism and not differentiating the body types, fiber type makeup, etc. that differentiates various activities. At the very least, sports should be broken down into a scale. On the left, you have very short, explosive types of events like olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, and the 100 meter dash. On the right, you have your long endurance events like a marathon or the century bike ride. Most team sports have aspects of both, e.g. aspects of both power/explosiveness and endurance (either in slower parts of the game or as part of the recovery between harder bouts.) American football is more on the left of that spectrum and soccer more toward the right, even if they're both mixed types of activities. Even the position factors heavily into this. A cornerback selects for different athletes than offensive line, as does a midfielder vs goalie or whatever. There's a strong genetic component in terms of body size and proportions, fiber type makeup, etc. that steer athletes (and groups of athletes) in one direction or another. Marshawn Lynch is very much toward the left side of that spectrum described above-- very powerful, explosive, etc. and obviously some degree of endurance is needed in order to repeat those bouts many times a game, and to last a season. But an endurance athlete he is not. To compare to track athletes, he could have trained and probably been great in the 100m and 200m, and maybe the 400m. However, no matter how early he started and how hard he worked, it's highly unlikely he ever could have been great in the long distance, aerobic dominated runs (even the 1 mile run is mainly aerobic.) He'd be up against elite athletes that selected for those characteristics-- the lanky, slow-twitch, endurance types with long strides and massive VO2 max and all that-- the flipside is those athletes would be atrocious as an NFL running back, and nothing they could have done would have changed that.
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Shhhhh ... we can’t talk about that .... And dont bring up what happens to ILLEGALS in their country .... another taboo subject .... doesn’t fit their agenda well ... I'm not too worried about violating taboos on here. Where I was raised, an athlete playing a game on foreign soil where they kneel for their own anthem would be taboo. Pulling up a news article that shares actual, meaningful discrimination that occurs in the foreign country should not be taboo. Talking about different types of athletes, what they excel at, and the genetic contribution to such things is not taboo. This stuff has been common knowledge among trainers, coaches, and athletic staff for ages.
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 You brought up a good subject, maybe not in this topic, but a good one. I absolutely hate when people say racism is just an effect of the class structure, when clearly it is not as it expands across the world.
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Swish,
You really believe that sitting for the US national anthem in protest over police brutality and standing (i.e. showing respect for, especially considering you were just sitting) for the Mexican national anthem, despite Mexican police being far more corrupt, oppressive, and brutal, isn't being hypocritical (at best)?
You say it's because he's protesting US issues, and not Mexican issues.... so police oppression of minorities only occurs in the US? Or, we only care about it in the US, and not elsewhere?
I dunno, man. I'm trying really hard to see it from the other side (as much as I'm able to understand this, at least), but I'm just having a really hard time understanding how this sit-stand instance fits with the larger narrative.
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Fine, what if he's unaware about Mexico's worse problems?
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 You brought up a good subject, maybe not in this topic, but a good one. I absolutely hate when people say racism is just an effect of the class structure, when clearly it is not as it expands across the world. I'm not sure that your logic works. Class structure happens "across the world." I'm not saying class structure is the entire cause of racism. Just that racism existing elsewhere doesn't rule out class structure as one of many potential causes of racism. As far as the kneel/stand issue, I don't really care either way. It doesn't effect me. I kind of think the National Anthem is used too much at times. People are desensitized to it. Why do we connect the flag so much with sports? If they are going to stay "connected", Why don't they have the National Anthem after the game instead of before? Often people aren't really thinking about the country, they are thinking about/focusing on the game that is about to take place.
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I kind of liked the sports science/physiology aspect of it but I suppose the discrimination angle is more relevant to the conversation. Re: your picture, what would be your explanation? I'm genuinely curious.
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Goodness sakes.
I thought people from Mexico were Mexicans. Then I found out they weren't, they were Hispanic.
Then I found out that some are White Hispanic, and now we have Black Hispanic.
Where's the pride for just being Mexican? Why are colors associated? What's next, Brown Mexican....er, Brown Hispanic?
Edit to add: My bad. Just re-read the article. I guess it's Afro Mexican, and/or Black Mexican - not Black hispanic.
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Goodness sakes.
I thought people from Mexico were Mexicans. Then I found out they weren't, they were Hispanic.
Well,actually they are Latin, Hispanis is derived from Hispanolia the Carribean island.
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Goodness sakes.
I thought people from Mexico were Mexicans. Then I found out they weren't, they were Hispanic.
Well,actually they are Latin, Hispanis is derived from Hispanioa, the Carribean island. So NOW what do I call them? If Hispanis is derived from Hispanica, and island, why the hell do I have to call Mexicans hispanics? Or white Hispanics, or black hispanics, or Afro Mexicans, or whatever the hell else someone comes up with?
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I dont know , my Puerto Rican friends call themselves Ricans
so I do too
After that I have no idea
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I dont know , my Puerto Rican friends call themselves Ricans
so I do too
After that I have no idea It's too complicated for me. I have a friend that - well his dad is from P.R., his mom is a "native" white American (can I even use that term? Or will I get blasted for that?) He calls himself an American. With P.R. roots. He doesn't call himself a P.R. american. His skin is brown - but he doesn't call himself a brown american............damn......I don't know what to call anyone anymore. I'm just a bad white person I guess.
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I dont know , my Puerto Rican friends call themselves Ricans
so I do too
After that I have no idea It's too complicated for me. I have a friend that - well his dad is from P.R., his mom is a "native" white American (can I even use that term? Or will I get blasted for that?) He calls himself an American. With P.R. roots. He doesn't call himself a P.R. american. His skin is brown - but he doesn't call himself a brown american............damn......I don't know what to call anyone anymore. I'm just a bad white person I guess. But see thats the thing, calling yourself a Puerto Rican is calling yourself an American, because well Puerto Ricans are Americans.
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Swish,
You really believe that sitting for the US national anthem in protest over police brutality and standing (i.e. showing respect for, especially considering you were just sitting) for the Mexican national anthem, despite Mexican police being far more corrupt, oppressive, and brutal, isn't being hypocritical (at best)?
It would be hypocritical if he was either a Mexican, or resided in Mexico. Since neither applies, no, it’s not hypocritical. Not even remotely.
You say it's because he's protesting US issues, and not Mexican issues.... so police oppression of minorities only occurs in the US? Or, we only care about it in the US, and not elsewhere?
This is exactly what I just got on Vers about. Stop dictating who, what, and where someone can legally protest. Why is it that black people always have to be global ambassadors to struggles around the world. This always happens and it’s annoying. He’s an American who lives in America, so why in God’s name must he advocate for people around the world? Here are already Mexicans in Mexico who protest/march against government corruption and such. Again, do you tell people marching for breast cancer “hey, what about heart disease”?
I dunno, man. I'm trying really hard to see it from the other side (as much as I'm able to understand this, at least), but I'm just having a really hard time understanding how this sit-stand instance fits with the larger narrative.
It fits the larger narrative because the conversation has been started, and we are still talking about it’s AS AMERICANS. Let me repeat: AS AMERICANS. How come nobody on this board tried to dictate what the white nationalist was protesting about in Charlottesville? How come nobody went “hey, what about the statue of Hitler in Germany”? How come when white people are marching in the streets calling our first black president a foreign born Muslim, or when they march in the streets preaching about their superiority over those who aren’t white, the overall response from white america is “well I don’t agree with what they are saying, but I support their right to do it” Yet when black people protest about civil rights, injustice actions by cops, NOT being superior to anyone, and march about equality, the same white people will try to dictate who, what, when, where, why, and how the protest SHOULD go. All of a sudden the nfl, who DOESNT have a rule against protesting the anthem, now is being demanded by white people to have said rule. Now we can’t just protest over what we want to protest. We have to take up for ALL injustices around the world? Look at that from a minorities perspective bro. With all due respect, if you did that, then you would see why your comments make absolutely no sense. Cause I didn’t see you and others in the Charlottesville thread trying to dictate what the white supremacisct should protest over. You and others weren’t trying to control the content coming out of those protest. But black people protesting for civil rights and injustices? Man we gotta silence these black people ASAP!,!
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I understand P.R's are American. But what do I call them? Anymore, I don't have a clue. Call them P.R.s, half will get offended and say "I'm American" Half will say "I'm brown non hispanic white" Some will say "Hey, I'm American P.R. Some, now apparently, will say "I'm P.R., non white, afro Mexican with some American mixed in."
Some will say "I'm a white Hispanic with P.R. heritage that identifies as black Mexican."
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I still think that Lynch is a piece of crap! The Mexican government is corrupt. The Mexican citizens are far more oppressed than American citizens. We are talking about a Wall because Mexican citizens want to escape that oppressive country and enter our free country w/boundless opportunities.
Yet, a POS like Lynch sits for our anthem and stands for the Mexican National Anthem.
Pffftttttttt.......
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I doubt if anyone reads it because educating oneself isn't as important as opinions, but here is the government that Lynch stood for while sitting for ours. Mexico’s corruption problems are still among the world’s deepestMexico has struggled with corruption for a long, long time, but recent events indicate that the situation is now at a truly intolerable pitch. This spring, two fugitive state governors were arrested in a joint operation by Interpol and the Mexican police. Javier Duarte, who was captured in Guatemala, served six years as governor of the state of Veracruz, during which he allegedly misappropriated 233m pesos (US$12m) of public funds. Tomás Yarrington, onetime governor of the state of Tamaulipas, was arrested in Italy; he stands accused of co-operating with an extremely dangerous drug gang known as the Gulf Cartel. Both men are former members of the Institutional Revolutionary Party, now led by Mexico’s president, Enrique Peña Nieto. This is not a novelty. Back in 1987, Gabriel Zaid’s book La economía presidencial put it as bluntly as could be: “Corruption is not a disagreeable characteristic of the Mexican political system: it is the system.” Corruption has its roots not in any particular culture or history, but in human nature. It is present in some form in every community and every country. But where corruption pervades all levels of the state, as it does in Mexico, it creates an environment in which other forms of crime can thrive. This is particularly true when it comes to organised crime, which if left unchecked can start a cycle of bribery and impunity. The sheer magnitude of illicit funds that major criminal organisations accrue allows them to readily bribe susceptible public authorities; this, in turn, gives them near-free reign for criminal activities such as drug trafficking, pimping and extortion, all of which raise more money. This cycle can become almost impossible to break, and as honest citizens fall victim to violent crimes and watch their governments do nothing to stop them, they start to lose faith in their society’s institutions. The cycle continues This is what’s happened in much of Mexico, which was ranked 123rd among 176 countries in the 2016 Corruption Perceptions Index. On a scale of zero (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean), it came in at a poor 30. Some use the term narco-state to describe the open corruption between the Mexican political system and drug cartels, especially at the local level. It’s hard to forget the horrifying 2014 kidnap and presumed murder of 43 students in the state of Guerrero. A goverment-appointed panel found that the students, who may well have been targeted for their left-wing activism, were brutally attacked and abducted by local police officers in league with members of the criminal organisation known as Guerreros Unidos. Then there’s now-extradited drug lord Joaquín Guzmán, also known as El Chapo, who made various escapes from what were supposed to be Mexico’s most secure prisons with the help of prison officers. But events of this sort are not uncommon in Mexico: just this spring, Juan Jose Esparragoza Monzon, the son of another Mexican drug lord, escaped from prison with four compatriots. Protesting for the return of the 43 students kidnapped in 2014. EPA/Ulises Ruiz Basurto The effects of systemic corruption extend far beyond these individual cases. The Mexican Institute for Competitiveness calculated that each year corruption costs the country between 2% and 10% of its GDP, reduces foreign investment by 5%, and wipes out 480,000 jobs from small and medium-sized businesses. It frustrates any sense of meritocracy, resulting in a serious brain drain that severely depletes Mexico’s skilled labour force. Above all, corruption eats into the security of human rights, whether civil, political, economic, social and cultural. And its criminal perpetrators use the most brutal of methods to escape scrutiny: 62% of journalists murdered in Mexico since 1992 had investigated cases of corruption, political or otherwise, and 86% of these homicides have gone unpunished. The long haul The reasons for this sad state of affairs are many and complex. High up the list is the historical weakness of the central Mexican state, which dates back to its very founding. The lawless space it left allowed the spread of banditry and normalised the practice of graft among public officials. Such customs then evolved in modern Mexico’s informal economy, a sphere of unregulated, untaxed, uncontrolled and downright illegal business practices. Once this sort of systemic corruption passes a certain threshold, it becomes almost impossible to eradicate – and yet, some aspects of the Mexican experience have a glimmer of hope about them. For all that corruption seems to be tightly woven into Mexico’s national fabric, Mexicans themselves are still fighting it, and hard. That much was made clear by thousands of protestors. And in July 2016, under mounting pressure from the international community, the Mexican government at last enacted new anti-corruption measures. Even in a country whose national political system is widely considered deeply corrupt, anti-corruption reforms are not out of the question. Still, it pays to be realistic. Systemic corruption cannot be beaten merely through the enactment of some legislative instruments. What is needed is a dramatic change in political culture, as well constant political and social efforts – all of which in turn require vast reserves of time, resilience, and resolve. http://theconversation.com/mexicos-corruption-problems-are-still-among-the-worlds-deepest-76627 Just like Lynch has the "right" to sit for the anthem in this country, I feel I have the right to call him and his supporters pieces of crap!
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Let me guess the systematic oppression was holding him down when he hit and ran a woman in his Porsche. Couldn't be that poor choices have consequences, nope it's oppression. Lynch is and always has been a dolt.
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Shoot, I love Marshan Lynch ! Agree or disagree on his political stance he illustrated his point perfectly in my opinion . Y'all getting so butthurt over who sits or stands doing a so called protest over the national anthem is funny to me . Every man has to follow his own conscience so if this is his so what ? You are entitled to your opinion but so is he , and so am I etc...
P.s You are talking about him so if discussion was his goal he reach d it .
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Citizen.
The rest is noise.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
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