DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns HC Hue Jackson Wants More Say In Personnel Matters Moving Forward

A real possibility, mac, but I daresay it would have to be an executive position higher than that of GM in order to wield sufficient clout. Such a move would probably be a demotion (or lessening of responsibilities) for Sashi....

The thing is that some of you act like we have drafted poorly. I disagree.

The 2016 draft netted us the following:

Corey Coleman
Ogbah
Nassib
Shone Colemen
Shoebert
Kindred
Drango

That is 7 pretty good at minimum players.

2017 netted:

Garrett
Peppers
Njoku
Ogunjoby
Brantley
Gonzalez
There is also Dayes who hasn't played and Wilson and Johnson who are out with injury, so we won't know until next year. I didn't even mention Kizer who some of you think is going to become the next best thing.

Lets get off the notion that we have drafted poorly. No doubt some are up for debate, but they don't suck at this point.

If some of you are expecting perfection in the draft process, it isn't going to happen here, or anywhere else.

The only mistake I see that we have made is we put too much faith in the mid round receivers we drafted in 16 and not bring in a drafted receiver last year. That's it. I don't see the crime in that. Live and learn. They didn't develop the way we had hoped.

It will create yet-another re-boot, a few good players will probably leave, and we will push back our being a competitive team for a few more years.

Firing Hue would be a mistake...unless he continues to play back-channel media games. If he does that again, he has to go.

I am just to the point where I dont think this regime and coach can turn things around. I also doubt Jimmy can hire anyone that is capable of turning things around.

Unless we do something major to turn this around, I really just dont have a reason to watch. I watch football because I love the game and it is fun to watch but the Browns just arent fun. We have been hearing the same excuses for 20 years. The fans deserve a winner, just be patient, we will get this thing turned around. then its the finger pointing and wash rinse repeat cycle begins. fans deserve a winner, just be patient, we will get this turned around.

I feel your frustration. The only way I can deal with this joke is a lot of dark humor and so on. I've already purposely declined watching them play for almost a month and took a break, which isn't something I've done ever but it's just to the point the jokes aren't funny anymore. The faith and hope is virtually evaporated.

Just being real, yall can poke and call me names as you wish, but a few years from now I may just seriously give up on this circus and for good. I love football and played it forever, mainly a linebacker and I just the love the sport itself... and to see a professional franchise just bomb on 98% of everything is just a major drag and so forth.

As stated, it's just not fun, or is it being funny anymore. It's an utter freaking pathetic excuse for a professional level franchise.

I think we can bring in the talent to compete. I am not sure we have the right head coach. Hue seems to need a lot of support and for things to be near perfect to be a success.

His record speaks for itself. It's nearly impossible to go 1-25. The players could go uncoached, drawing plays in the dirt and win a few more than that.

Who blew the roster up?

Who decided we didn't need experience?

Who passed on certain players in the draft and kept trading down?

Who wasn't able to keep our better free agents?

And yet, you never ever mention that the FO is 1 and 25. You are out of this world.

Stop blaming Hue for everything Vers.

I don't think it's feasible to think we will add a GM -type person as you describe. It's either all or nothing. However, I could see them adding someone to help them identify a QB, especially if Hue is let go. He was our "expert" in that field and let's face it, he's failed us.

I am not much of an 'armchair expert' but Hue as a reputed QB Whisperer and offensive guru, I simply don't see the results to date. I don't believe he has 'failed' us as such, but questions abound...

I think you are spot on here. I don't know about the receiver part, though. We were supposed to have Coleman and Britt all season. Coleman injured, Britt underachieved. I think Njoku and Devalve are also underutilized, especially for a team with "no receivers."


The more and more I think about it, the more and more I don't think Jimmy can "start over." I think change may be required because like you said its almost impossible to go 1-25. Obviously not impossible. I believe the front office has shown strides, but Hue simply isn't getting it done on the field.

Agreed. There has been a significant dropoff of TE production, even when Barnidge was here...

Wait one!

Britt got here? Since when? Hasn't shown yet, has he? Maybe if we paid him more. . . .

Oh come on, everyone knows that the FO hated Britt and that Hue made them sign him in free agency.

Quit trying to get Hue fired Vers.

Hue is not going anywhere, anytime soon. and he shouldn't.

I guess it depends on your definition of soon. If soon is tomorrow, then no he's not going anywhere. If soon is in 6 weeks, then yes he is...he will no longer be the Browns HC after that time.

You have made that claim more than once. What proof do you have?

I sometimes wonder if you are a member of the FO because I can't believe anyone could be so completely biased as you are on how they view the FO and Hue if they were not personally involved.

I'm guessing no purple because that wasn't sarcastic. Agreed.

Nothing about a 29 year old receiver with only one decent season to his name and a $32M price tag screams "Browns front office."

Our FO does not chase players like that. However, Hue needed a receiver and he had just hired a coach who was in LA with Kenny Britt, seeing him up close and personal every day.

I don't think anyone should be blamed for Britt, however. His actions are his own. He could be leading this team in receptions and greatly assisting this offense if he really wanted to do so. Kenny sounded bright and enthusiastic when he signed here - nobody was really to know that this is what we would be getting. It's actually a damn shame for Kenny - he's got all the talent in the world.

But, it is what it is. Thankfully the front office included an out in his contract after 2 years and $17M.

You assumed too much. It was sarcastic as could be.

Obviously, but the logic doesn't back up another attempt to paint the front office as bad guys and Hue as an innocent bystander. Britt isn't the kind of guy this front office targets. Fact. The coaching staff has a history with Britt. Fact. Two and two usually equal four year contracts worth too damn much.

Yet, it remains that this jibber-jabber detracts from Kenny Britt being a grown ass man who needs to take accountability for his own actions. While we argue over who signed him, dude is out there acting irresponsibly.

There is a dichotomy being portrayed between the front office and coaching staff that need not exist, and I hate it, because crap like that is why there is pressure on Jimmy Haslam to fire everyone and set this team back once again.

I get it BDU. Every good move is made by the FO and every bad move is made by Hue. I had high hopes for you, but your bias has ruined that notion.

Take care.

Browns are 0-10. Again. I believe change is inevitable.

Hue may have made some mistakes but as far as I know he didn't draft any players. I don't think Bill Walsh could have won with the youth and skill position guys we have on O.

I am not sure where the blame falls on Britt.

It's an interesting case. I read somewhere that Williams was adamant about not signing Britt and the front office wouldn't listen. I don't know how true that report is because if someone on the coaching staff says do not sign someone I think you listen. There might have been some words of caution but I don't think it was a flat out "do not sign him" from Williams as was implied.

I also think it's quite possible that Williams recommended Britt to Hue and the front office complied. We have no proof at this time.

There is no bias. I am just as team Hue Jackson as you are.

Like Device says, we don't know how this one unfolded, and it could go either way. What I do know, with 100% certainty, is that Kenny Britt is accountable for his own actions. He should be playing better than he is, and it falls on his own shoulders that he is not.

You do know you're allowed to praise both the FO and our coaching staff? All of them have made mistakes. All of them undoubtedly have something they'd do differently. All of them should be here next year. Stop buying in to the media's bulls#!t narrative that we have to take sides and champion the firing of someone.

My bias is for the Cleveland Browns, not employees. The best thing for the Browns is common sense, patience and continuity - not cyclical firing and rebuilding.

Yes, aren't really biased, we are only said to be because we have a different opinion.

How deliciously ironic.

Irony is very abundant around here. Thanks for participating.

I think that it was known Pryor was leaving (let's not rehash that) and the FO was prepared to move on. I'd bet that they had a list of potential candidates to bring in as a replacement, and I'm betting that Britt was on that list. If you add in a newly hired coach giving even a half-endorsement, it would stand to reason that it would move him up that list. If the HC then says something even as innocuous as "sure, I can work with him", it is one more check mark toward the top of the list.

As for the money - folks should remember that there is a MINIMUM amount that we have to spend on player salaries every year. I don't know the numbers or how they work out, but a betting man might find that Britt's contract, while being exceptionally team-friendly, also helped put us where we needed to be in terms of CAP Minimums.

I don't believe there is any "Ahh, Gotcha!!" single thing/person to blame, it just is what it is.

The minimum salary floor was not a factor this off-season. It starts over every four years and this was the first of the four years.

Not sure it works quite as cleanly as you illustrate. I think the 4 years roll along and doesn't start and stop the way you think.

Report: Gregg Williams warned Browns about WR Kenny Britt
Cleveland had the information to avoid a current headache.

Josh Edwards - Oct 26, 9:59 AM

Kenny Britt has become a distraction on and off-the-field for the Cleveland Browns.

The issues could have, and reportedly were, foreseen. According to Albert Breer on 'Bull & Fox,' defensive coordinator Gregg Williams warned the organization about the wide receivers past.

"This is not out of character at all. This is who Kenny Britt has been. Whether it was with the Titans or the Rams, the guy is a world class knucklehead. I'm fairly certain that was communicated in the building by Gregg Williams who was with him in Tennessee, who was with him with the Rams. That was communicated to people making decisions in the Browns building," Breer said.

"The Browns have no one to blame but themselves for this one. The only thing that keeps him on the roster now is the investment that you have made in him. You certainly look at this, the alternative is Terrelle Pryor, and Terrelle Pryor is having his own problems in Washington but you would have some sympathy for the Browns if this stuff popped up out of nowhere but the rap sheet on this guy was long when he got to Cleveland. These sorts of transgressions you're seeing now hardly seems out of character."

The complaints about Britt have started to pile up in recent weeks. In addition to his lack of production off the field, he missed curfew ahead of the Houston Texans game and was out with rookie quarterback DeShone Kizer the night he was seen at a bar early in the morning.

At this point, the front office may be struggling with admitting their mistake of signing the veteran to a four-year deal worth $32.5 million. There is no other reasoning that support why Britt is still on the roster.

The 29 year old has ten receptions for 128 yards and a touchdown this season. Britt

If we can unload this fine receiver-come- lately, so be it. That money could buy some real help now and going forward. Who is responsible for due diligence? If any was done for this player at this salary amount, I am at a loss to see what someone else was buying. But they should be grounded and handed an incredibly short leash for any further dealings. This is not "just" a miss; it is a colossal one.

If the plan is losing. It's working well.

That is speculation. Nothing factual.

It has way more credibility than the junk you've been making up on here over and over.

Not really, but please continue with your biases.