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I don't have fiber at my office (still on shared coax, booooo) but I fail to see how SLA or QOS is relevant to net neutrality. QOS at first blush makes sense but QOS is made to categorize packets by type, not source.

Now Content Delivery Networks? Those aren't neutral at all. I know you know these, but so everyone else does: when Netflix sends video to you, it's usually on a server sitting AT your ISP, not Netflix servers direct. These servers reduce latency and backbone congestion by storing data closer to the viewer. So in this fashion , we already lack some NN.

NN is concerning largely because we have very lomited competition for internet. To get proper broadband you need copper or fiber. Microwave and satellite have too much latency. The problem is that copper to your house is often wholly owned not by your township (like telephone) but Spectrum/Comcast/etc.

If we made the copper public to all companies, then it would be easier to increase competition. Similar to how MNVOs operate with cell phones: I have Google fi but I still get my data on Verizon and US Cellular towers.

Once again, the SLA guarantees a certain bandwidth, and throughput.

Servers that companies put in an ISP are buying space from the ISP. A great idea in my opinion.

Yes in some places, a single ISP controlls the majority of lines, but government anti monopoly rules already in place will always allow competition.

Microwave latency is less than fiber latency. It's becoming widely used in Europe, as it's much easier to implement. Satellite will always have high latency due to the distances involved.

Even my company is getting ready to deploy a 2gig wireless connection that will span several miles, as it's far cheaper that an mpls or metro ethernet.

The intenet is not static, and should not be made to be static. When I first got on the Internet, it was on a 2400 baud modem. We now have gigs to the home. We should keep the government out of it.

For a dedicated fiber line it's easy to accommodate this contracted bandwidth. For shared coax (cable company) however, you are at the mercy of how congested the head end is. And the majority of customers are on residential connections, not business SLA agreements. Most residential contracts say speeds up to; not a contract to hit that speed at all times. Again, not sure what SLA has to do with NN but no big deal to me.




I don't see how Antitrust legislation helps at all in this instance. Many providers have a franchise contract with the municipalities they service, providing them de facto Monopoly on that region. However small natural monopolies aren't big enough to cause federal anti trust to kick in. There is plenty of choice in ISP, at the national big picture level. At your house? Good luck.



It's nice to see microwave getting better. Do you worry about availability with that setup? I would (somewhat) worry if weather conditions could impact performance.



Beat me, my first modem was 9600 baud

The problem (to me) is that in residential areas the government already got involved with monopolistic franchise contracts limiting competition at the per user level. My hope is that we can in time develop significantly better customer options. For work it's much different, I work at 1 Cascade in Akron and I have half a dozen wired ISP options plus microwave.

To wit on your phone modem example. Back then, we had many ISP choices as the phone carrier could not restrict where we got our data from. That does not hold true now. I think some NN concern is overblown, but entrusting companies to act in ways that benefit the customer is often not true (see franchising.)

You guys are bringing back memories of my first home computer. 60mhz, 4 mb of memory, and 200 MB hard disk, with a 13 inch monitor. Damn dial up A.O.L. and that stupid



All for the low, low price of 4,000 bucks back in 91 or 1992?

Late bloomer?

My first computer was a 1981 TI-994A. It had a separate, sequential cassette drive. State of the Art. Art being equivalent to cave drawings.

My first computer had no hard drive, two 8" floppys, no mouse, and a 4 color monitor. You had to flip a switch to change colors on the monitor, as it only did two like white/black, green/black at a time. It had an external 2400 baud modem, and a dot matrix computer. It's operating system was CP/M, which was pre DOS.

They only thing I can say to you and to Erik is I has always been slower than dial up

Commodore 64

C64 also. I was born a few months before Reagan won reelection , but my dad had a C64 that I played alit of games on and wrote my first (super minor) programming edits for. I modified a poker game in basic to give me four aces all the time

I tried to code a football game in basic when I was 13. lol It was kinda dumb. But for me, it lit my brain on fire. Love for coding. Love for games.

A friend of mine had a game published in Antic Magazine for the Atari 400/800 back in 84 or 85. It was called Creepy Caverns.

Haven't spoken to him since like 99 but I look him up on Facebook every now and again. He's out west running a classic arcade.

The C64 was my first upgrade computer. I ran a bulletin board on it with a 300/1200 baud modem. I did a lot of programming in basic on that machine. Still probably the most bang for the buck I ever had.

U.S. Senate will vote on reversal of net neutrality repeal, Markey says

By AppleInsider Staff
Monday, January 08, 2018, 01:12 pm PT (04:12 pm ET)

The federal government will wrestle with the issue of net neutrality at least once more, as advocates have secured the necessary support in the U.S. Senate to force a vote on the issue.

Senator Claire McCaskill on Monday became the thirtieth co-sponsor of a Senate resolution to overturn the FCC's recent decision. The measure was introduced earlier this month by Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey.

Following McCaskill's commitment, Senators Cory Booker, Tom Udall, and Bob Casey also signed on.

The milestone comes less than a month after the FCC voted to undo Obama-era rules that treated internet service providers like public utilities. ISPs are now free to regulate traffic as they see fit; the FCC has argued that government intervention is unnecessary as consumers will force the issue, punishing service providers that unfairly block or throttle internet connections.

There is no word on when the Senate vote would be scheduled. Should the upper chamber pass the measure, it would move to the House, where it would need to be approved again before being forwarded to the White House for the President's signature.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/18/01/0...eal-markey-says

It's going to look bad if 80+% of our country is in support of net neutrality and it fails in Congress...

80+% percent of the country supports affordable healthcare and a federal gun control system but Congress doesn't care what it looks like to try and take our Obamacare, SS, and Medicare from us and ignore gun control completely.

Congress isn't really concerned with what looks bad.

They routinely hide in their offices and call the police to remove disabled people in wheelchairs protesting their evil health care measures.

...while they are giving tax breaks to the rich, the rich are turning around and gouging the hell out the prices for DirectTV, Dish Network, Comcast, and all other streaming services so they can avoid being throttled down. There goes your tax break for the middle class workers GOP. The GOP war against the middle class continues.

However it is election season. The Democrats are trying to turn this into a party issue, if Congressional Republicans let them, then this could be another thing to consider when voting this year.

It's also why we're seeing a stock market spike.

Telecommunication and cable corporations, emboldened by impending tax cuts and the repeal of net neutrality, are buying back their own stock shares at a breakneck pace, driving up the price so they can eventually shed them back onto the public when the market prices peak.

Honestly, I *wish* the Dems were forcing it to be a party issue.

They need to abandon their "gee, golly" just-right-of-center stances and come out full throat in favor of Medicare For All.

If 80% of registered voters show up to vote the GOP doesn't stand a chance.

If we have an 80% turn out on a midterm election I would crap my pants. 2014's turn out was like 40%. The Presidential election only had 59% turnout.

One word.... "DEPENDS"

I hope they overturn it and run this Ajit Pai guy out on a rail!

I hear you. I think the only difference is that there are people crowing on both sides when it comes to those issues (however misguided they are).

I feel like, with net neutrality, there are a whole bunch of people out there screaming "Keep it!" and when you look for a counter-response, there is none.

Basically, what I'm saying is that it seems to be the most lopsided issue in terms of support.

but in another thread you said: