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I honestly think that both the FO and Hue have until the end of the season to show us something.

Last 2 games we have improved something, but we are not yet functional, but maybe if the trend continues there can be a point on keeping both...

I think that at this point, any decision can be supported, but from all possible ones I think that the lets keep Hue and fire Sochi is the one who has a weaker foundation.

Maybe we should go back to basics... so in the end we should be looking to upgrade the weak positions, so if there is a better HC out there, I all for bringing him in. Defnetly we have to hire a new OC, the one we have is simply horrid.

Just don't do the usual stuff and create holes that you cannot fill...

I'm not sure where you thought I said this. As a matter of fact, I thought it was always you who ridiculed Depodesta because he thought Wentz wasn't a top 20 quarterback.







I don't think anyone is more biased than mac. And not trying to offend anyone because that's his stance and I think that's what he honestly believes. However, he is one poster here who won't change his mind even when presented with a mountain of evidence.







I'm guessing his previous position was worthy of earning his current position. I think one thing people don't seem to "get" is he's not the talent evaluator. Ok, so yeah, he's probably not worthy of that... and I guess I'll say it again, but the final say on the 53 man roster isn't as significant as many make it out to be. And I bet a "Sashi call" on a player rarely comes up.







I think the only person I can recall around here who claims Hue is at fault for everything is TONY. But I will say I don't think Hue is doing a good job as HC and I do think the front office is doing a good job. But that doesn't mean I think Hue is at fault for EVERYTHING.

When the front office and coaching staff look like they are conatantly at odds it doesnt bode well for the organization. The blame can fall equally on both sides because im sure there was an understanding in alot of the moves that have been made. However it also seems like there has been some things done that have gone against what one of the sides wanted. We need people in place that can work together to right the ship.

It's all opinion, but in my opinion you are far worse than mac. Almost every post you make is regarding Hue being fired and I never hear you say a bad thing about the FO.

I'll stand by what I said and I could care less about how many others line up w/similar views to yours.

In the words of Campy Russell "you're exactly right, Fred". This would be the worst possible time to blow anything up.

Unfortunately, I think it's evident that Jimmy has had a real hard time cultivating foresight when hindsight keeps abusing him like the kid with a "kick me hard" sign on his back. That's been evident in his business dealings as well as his ownership of an NFL franchise. Luckily, his only choice is to "stay the course", and he knows it.

Adding an old school "talent evaluater" might be just what the doctor ordered... if, and only if, he is new school enough to work with this analytics system we've put in place. I don't think the rest of the FO wants that - why would they? They've sat at the table acquiring chips and want their opportunity to go "all in"... and they have political capital because they know they can't be fired - that was evident when Sashi shoved the papers in the shredder instead of the "outbox".

Hue Jackson doesn't impress me as someone who can take us to the promised land. Plain and simple. To be fair, he's under the biggest spotlight because he's judged on a weekly basis for decisions that directly impact the team on the field of play. To be blunt, it's hard for me, as a fan, to watch him make dumb mistakes that directly affect our ability to compete nearly every Sunday. Taking points off the board, putting points on the board for the opposition, mis-managing the clock on a team with no margin of error, can be unnerving. The fact that I can sit on the couch and predict nearly every 3rd and 7 play call is troubling. Thorough under-utilization of the only real "play maker" we have on the field, etc... Alas, he's a player's coach in a situation with limited, unseasoned talent, and a definite cut above anybody we've had here in this vast wasteland of futility. I'd stick with Hue for the time being, but...

He's also the lowest common denominator in this hierarchy... Not to diminish his importance, just because his domino is at the end of the line. Replacing Sashi basically means blowing things up. Nobody worth their salt is going to come to the Browns to be the square peg shoved into a round hole. They'll want predefined and significant "control" and thier own cast of characters. Hue can be replaced with an OC by today at 5pm and the only difference is a Greg Williams press conference on Sunday.

If Jimmy decides a change needs to be made - it's Hue all the way. As I've said before, if Hue needs to go, his shelf life is about three weeks. We can't wait til the end of the season and be another "also ran" in the chase for the next-great-head-coaching sweepstakes. Jimmy is an idiot if he hasn't learned this by now. Jimmy is also an idiot if he thinks "throwing his hat in the ring first" is the answer to luring a great HC. If he's not sure of exactly who he wants (and 90% sure he will come here to save the ship), he better just err on the side of "staying the course" - it's the perfect excuse when things don't work out anyway.

I hope this doesn't happen. I would like to see Hue be given the chance to shine, with more talent and and another year of stability in our staff. His miscues are glaring in the exact opposite way of Bill Belichick's. Bill can make a stupid mistake and smirk it off because he has more than enough talent to overcome every Sunday. He walks away with the media admiring the size of his brass balls. Hue makes one dumb call and feels the direct aggression of every fan and media outlet's last seven days of frustration. It's probably unfair, but it's par for the course at 1-26.

All of this screaming from the aisles for a "pound of flesh" can be cured with two measly wins in the last five lmao. Kizer looked the part for stretches last Sunday and has a brand new toy under the tree this week. I honestly believe we will see a totally different product with Josh Gordon returning and a healthy Coleman on the field. WR has been, undebatably, the biggest weakness for this team offensively. I know it sounds trite, but giving a young QB with a good arm an insurance policy that reads "if all else fails, just throw it as far as you can over the skies of Flash", may do a lot for his psyche, whether it works or not. Knowing that he'll come across the middle with a smaller, slower human on his back hip is a nice benefit when staring at a pass rush. This week is week one of having a clear #1 and #2 WR on the field. This week we see a team where everything finally clicks. We'll beat a solid team and enjoy a Monday morning celebration instead of hangover.

Either that, or it all goes awry and we wake up screaming "Hue must go, Hue must go". It's the lay of the land in Browns Town.

@FATE

What about just replacing Hue with Gregg for the rest of the season?

At least we could see if he is HC material...

"The fact that I can sit on the couch and predict nearly every 3rd and 7 play call is troubling."

It seems this has been going on for a decade on both sides of the ball. IMO this scenario is worse on the defensive side of the ball, but it is probably the most frustrating thing about watching the Browns.

That and inventing ways to lose a game which they seem to do 2-3 times a year.

getting rid of hue now would be pointless unless he goes back to the media blame game. Give him a chance to continue to develop Kizer. Kizer is starting to show. first bengals game to the second there was a lot of progress, I didnt like many of the Hue decisions but I saw a team that just looked a hell of a lot better. Difference in the game was mental mistakes by receivers and a defense that was whooped on up front.

5 games to show if he needs another year or needs a boot. He is likely gone but he has time to prove himself. Shut up and coach.

I think we will continue to see Hue being Hue.No reason he would magically change in this last games.

If he's here just to develop Kizer, then maybe it was a bad hire for HC, he should be a QB coach instead...

Would like to see if Gregg has it on the rest of the season.... Doubt it, considering the D performance against the Bengals,but its worth a shot.

Honestly, being run over by the second worst run O in the league and calling 66% pass plays against the best pass D in the league is a testament to the mediocrity of our coaching staff.

If we were what people think we are, we would have won the Bengals game.... No excuses... me stink in all parts of the game, time to pull the plug on Hue and see if Gregg has anything in him.

I don't think it's the best idea, but it is the only feasible one if change is in order.

I think there are certain rules we need to follow, we can't wait til the end of the season if we want to make a coaching change. You would think the FO is a few steps ahead of the fans and has already charted a new course of direction... it should be very much like Vers stated above in the initial post I responded to.

"Hue, you have control of the 53 and who is on the field every week. Also, we feel strongly about the need to hire an OC in the off season, so prepare your list of people you would like to work with. Oh, and by the way, I've hired another Harvard grad that understands the mathematics of all 60 increments on a wrist watch, he can first tutor you, then, if need be, stand next to you on the sideline". We need to be direct about shortcomings and courses of action.

If Hue doesn't agree with this and still wants "more control" - a change may be in order... swiftly.

Greg Williams is an interim coach with no strings attached. Make it clear to him that your giving him the keys to the car because you think he may be worthy, but just as clear that your shopping for a new driver with more experience behind the wheel.

The coaching search starts in earnest three to four weeks before the rest of the league makes their "assessments". Again, not my pick of the best answer but the only one that makes a shred of sense if you are leaning towards a change.

I think we like Williams. I do. Perhaps the hope is a new HC would retain Williams as DC. If we elevate Williams to HC, he probably wouldn't return as DC.

So you're saying you care?


And even though I think Hue will be fired doesn't mean I necessarily want him fired. I think it's pretty much inevitable that Hue is gone. I was hoping that he was the guy and I very much want that continuity.

History would say he wouldn't be back, but it's not the craziest notion in the world. Making him interim would allow you a test drive AND the option of a new HC or superstar OC (with him staying at the helm). Although "Bounty Gate" may still haunt him, I think he is looked at as a solid defensive coach, and pretty well respected around the league. Most would argue that his stewardship over a young, inexperienced squad this year has paid dividends. A new HC may understand the need for every bit of continuity possible and opt to keep him for at least the first season. Probably not, but it's all a part of the risk/reward with any change in staff. If your need for change outweighs the possible pitfalls, it's a risk you have to take.

I seem to recall Williams specifically saying that he is NOT interested in head coaching gigs. I believe he mentioned in his welcome presser that he had the opportunity at some point in his career and gave it the "thanks, but no thanks".

Just my recollection. I remember it coming up in his first press conference here.

No, I am saying that guys like you, Memphis, WSU, and 32 are full of crap.

I love reading stuff like this in the morning. Simply love it.

The best part of waking up, is reading vers post crap!!

I thought you had me on ignore. Nice insult though Mr Objectivity.

EO,
Makes lot of sense to me- look at business or national defense world or presidency- we don't have specialists in their fields making every decision- smart people are given jobs to do and then decisions are made....what happened to our five year plan for Browns.

Do Legends, hall of fame folks put their pants on one leg at a time....ps, all of us are full of crap......GO Browns!!!!

Did anybody else sing this as they read it?

Absolutely! Folgers in your cup! lol

A winless team, thats what the harvard boys have built.

Can't see the forest for the trees.

J/C

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Joe Thomas has started a podcast, his first featured David Njoku.

Figured it wasn't worth an independent thread, but as Njoku is someone the front office has added to help it seems to fit.

I like the character the Browns have added in the draft. Njoku is a lot like Kizer, Garrett, Ogunjobi, etc. High character, intelligent, very well spoken. He's a really cool guy.

He's had something of a disappointing season, he's flashed his clear ability but he's been largely inconsistent and struggled with his hands. He had a nice bounce back against Cinci, and that needs to continue against the Chargers given how intimidating their cornerbacks are.

His blocking has improved throughout the season, however, which is a big step to capitalizing on his athleticism to create a much more well-rounded talent.

We're waiting on a clear break-out game, but he's only 21-years-old.

He was known for drops in college. He’s still making drops in the NFL.

Trying to change the spots on a leaopard usually isn’t a good idea ... literally .. *L* ...

Lets hope he can be the exception and not the rule ... i’m not a big fan of recievers that can’t catch ... but thats just me ...

On the other side of that fence .. it hasn’t even been a year mac ... give the guy at least a year ... talk abut impatient ... sheesh ...

I think Njoku is a great athlete. He is big, fast, and has great hops.

I think his hands are suspect. I think his blocking is awful. I question whether or not he runs the correct routes.

He's very raw right now and is making a lot of mistakes. I do think he has the potential to be a difference maker due to his physical attributes, but will probably always drop too many passes.

Ahhhh ... I didn’t sense the sarcasm ...

Its so HARD to COMMUNICATE on here ...

Oooops .. sorry mac ... my bad ....

Of course noone wants pass-catchers who cant catch. But dropped passes are an unfortunate part of some very good receivers. If Njoku could bring gamechanging ability, i'd tolerate some drops. The blocking issues are not acceptable, IMO. I can't stand having guys who can only do 1 thing well in any position. I feel it limits options and telegraphs info to opponents.

I thought I had read somewhere that Njoku was a WR until recently. If that's true, MAYBE blocking is just underdeveloped? But that's just hopeful handwaving...just crossing my fingers that he is like most rookies, who struggle to make an impact.

I have been in the building business. As time goes on you see some progress. While I think we all understand it's a process, zero wins isn't a part of building anything.

“The Three Little Pigs” is “taking your time to do something right pays off.” At the beginning of the story, each pig built a house. The first two pigs didn't spend much time making their houses, but the third pig carried heavy bricks and carefully stacked them into a solid house.

I've seen people reach for excuses, but this goes beyond anything I've seen so far. lmao

ZERO WINS!