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Weeden and rg3 were much better than kizer.
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Weeden could actually hit an open Gordon.
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I have seen enough of Kizer. He is trash, he will not get better, not enough to be a franchise QB.
He missed Gordon on two separate throws that could’ve been TDs. He missed Coleman wide open at least twice. He has no pocket awareness. He doesn’t not throw the ball away when nothing is here. He takes unnecessary sacks. He is inaccurate. He does not use his mobility enough to move within the pocket or take off for wide open runs.
We can debate everyday til draft day on which QB should be taken #1 overall, but the fact remains, we need to draft a QB because Kizer is not the answer.
I was absolutely ticked we even took him in the 2nd round, a guy who got benched in college and didn’t do anything worthy of being taken in the 2nd.
It’s time he FO got their crap together and actually get Hue a QB he wants.
If it’s Rosen, so be it. If it’s Jackson, so be it. If it’s, Darnold or Mayfield, so be it.
But Kizer had Njoku running wild. He had Coleman running wild. He had Gordon running wild.
Any competent QB would’ve had 350 yards passing and 4 TDs today. That’s how wide open these WRs were. Kizer either underthrew it, or overthrew it.
He is not the answer. It is time to move on.
With a decent QB, we would have 4 wins at least this year. lol I think I have been saying this "Kizer = Weeden/RGIII Maybe RGIII but Weeden was decent on the deep ball, he just couldn’t throw a change up, it was fast ball or nothing.
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I have seen enough of Kizer. He is trash, he will not get better, not enough to be a franchise QB.
He missed Gordon on two separate throws that could’ve been TDs. He missed Coleman wide open at least twice. He has no pocket awareness. He doesn’t not throw the ball away when nothing is here. He takes unnecessary sacks. He is inaccurate. He does not use his mobility enough to move within the pocket or take off for wide open runs.
We can debate everyday til draft day on which QB should be taken #1 overall, but the fact remains, we need to draft a QB because Kizer is not the answer.
I was absolutely ticked we even took him in the 2nd round, a guy who got benched in college and didn’t do anything worthy of being taken in the 2nd.
It’s time he FO got their crap together and actually get Hue a QB he wants.
If it’s Rosen, so be it. If it’s Jackson, so be it. If it’s, Darnold or Mayfield, so be it.
But Kizer had Njoku running wild. He had Coleman running wild. He had Gordon running wild.
Any competent QB would’ve had 350 yards passing and 4 TDs today. That’s how wide open these WRs were. Kizer either underthrew it, or overthrew it.
He is not the answer. It is time to move on.
With a decent QB, we would have 4 wins at least this year. lol I think I have been saying this "Kizer = Weeden/RGIII Maybe RGIII but Weeden was decent on the deep ball, he just couldn’t throw a change up, it was fast ball or nothing. part of the comparison my friend lol
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Weeden could actually hit an open Gordon. lol ok that he did
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It’s way too soon to even think about giving up on Kizer. He is only 21.
This is the reason we will never find a QB. Terry Bradshaw was WORSE then Kizer his 1st two years. You can not make any kind of judgement about Kizer yet. What we need to do is use our 1st Rd picks on a big time RB and a big time WR, and shore up our offensive line and RB depth and see how things go.
Kizer has done nothing but make the typical rookie mistakes(overthrowing receivers and ints) it takes time for most rookies to get used to the NFL game and it’s MUCH harder to do this when you don’t have the supporting cast. Outside of Thomas and now Gordon, with Thomas hurt, Kizer has no other supporting cast outside of Gordon our WR are Awful, OL took a big hit losing Thomas, and our run game has been abysmal.
What I have see of Kizer is what expected(which is why I wanted to keep brock and let Kizer sit) Kizer has the physical talent to be a good QB, strong arm, big size, mobile, what he needs is TIME. There isn’t a QB coming out next year that will be ready start day one. Folks vastly over estimate how ready these guys are. Most of them don’t even play in pro ready O.
The best thing for the Browns to do is to continue developing Kizer(whom we invested a high pick in) and build the O around him with a big time RB, another WR, and some OL help. Look what Leonard Fournette did for the Jags. I fully believe Kizer will be fine in a year or two of development if we stay the course....in typical Browns fashion though I expect them to waste another high pick on a QB that will be out of the NFL in 3 years because they refuse to do the process the right way...you can’t just trash a rookie less then a year after picking him, especially a 2nd TS pick you traded up for...it’s crazy. I told people Kizer was a two year project now we’re not even done with year one and folks are wanting to get rid of him...talk about knee jerk....it’s no wonder we have sucked since 2001
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I am going to be somewhere in between BDU and Swish.
I saw some good things from Kizer today. He made some good pre-snap reads. He threw some beautiful passes, such as the TD pass to Njoku. He ran the ball well. He threw the ball quicker for most of the game than he has in the past.
On the other hand, he is so inconsistent. It's amazing how many times he overthrows receivers. They are not even close. Then, during crunch time, he started holding the ball too long again. And the pick.......I yi yi yi........that was triple coverage and had zero chance of being completed.
I am not giving up on him like some. I am not saying he is the guy like others.
I will just say that we have to draft a qb in round one w/the amount of data that we have on Kizer.
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J/C I put this in Kizer Rd 4 a week ago - I'll just go ahead and put it here again because it still applies.
Ideal situation for QB next year. We draft Rosen and sign a vet FA to give teach the young guys how to be pros, how to prepare in the film room, how to prepare your body etc.
I'd start the OTA's with a rotation of:
1) Vet FA
2) Rosen
3) Kizer
And as soon as he was ready - be it preseason, game 1, game 6 it would become:
1) Rosen
2) Vet FA
3) Kizer
And then you hope that over time Kizer could grow into a backup QB role:
1) Rosen
2) Kizer
3) Vet FA - who we could eventually cut loose.
I wouldn't be mad at all to have Kizer as Rosen's backup for the next 4 years.
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Rosen is a joke and nobody likes him except his momma. I've said since day 1 that Hogan is the best QB on the team but Hue can't figure that out. I would draft Mayfield 1st!!! Kizer will be out of the league soon!!!
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Rosen is a joke and nobody likes him except his momma. I've said since day 1 that Hogan is the best QB on the team but Hue can't figure that out. I would draft Mayfield 1st!!! Kizer will be out of the league soon!!! Did you see Hogan play the only game he started or no?
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Rosen is a joke and nobody likes him except his momma. I've said since day 1 that Hogan is the best QB on the team but Hue can't figure that out. I would draft Mayfield 1st!!! Kizer will be out of the league soon!!! Did you see Hogan play the only game he started or no? Hogan's first start was almost nathan peterman bad.
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LOL..........it was bad, but not that bad! I think the latter's performance will go down in history. Every time a dude has a really bad game, people will say: "He pulled a Peterman." 
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lol i know right.
5 picks in one half. might as well have you or me out there playing QB.
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Hue threw him under the bus with lousy play calling and never gave him another chance.
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Hue threw him under the bus with lousy play calling and never gave him another chance. Hogan threw himself under the bus. he was inaccurate and tossed 3 picks. he showed exactly why he's a backup/3rd string guy.
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Hue threw him under the bus with lousy play calling and never gave him another chance. So Hogan should be starting?
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LOL...........yeah. At least you and I are smart enough that after throwing 4 in 8 passes, that we would not throw another pass again. We'd freaking run it every time.
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Two of those picks weren't really his fault. Hue can make anybody look bad!
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Yes, we would at least have a couple of wins and save some face. Kizer looks horrible!!!
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Two of those picks weren't really his fault. Hue can make anybody look bad! 
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Man I hate it when I post a serious comment and it gets completely lost because some troll responds and immediately derails the entire conversation.
Kevin Hogan *shakes head*.
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Two of those picks weren't really his fault. Hue can make anybody look bad! the guy threw under 55% that game. 3 picks, and some horrible throws. we have no answer on the roster.
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our best hope is that Kizer has one unicorn game in the last 4, only so we won't go winless.
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I was almost positive that Kizer would get blindsided into a fumble and I was right again. He threw into quadruple coverage for the pick... LOL
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Sorry about that. You did make a good post.
In fact, I said something very, very close to it the other day...........but that got lost because some of the trouble makers were on a roll that day.
But yeah, what you proposed makes sense.
I would prefer:
Draft Rosen. Keep Kizer. Sign a vet w/out intending to start him.........a Matt Moore or Drew Stanton type.
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Hue should have run the ball instead of make Hogan throw the ball 75% of the time. Hue has not a clue. This team isn't as bad as Hue makes it look!
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also, is it me, or does Wentz look more athletic than Kizer?
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They are both athletic. Wentz is probably a bit more fluid.
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Wentz has superior quick instincts where Kizer's is very slow!
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Sign Cousins for a ton of money (or Alex Smith) or take a QB with the first pick of the draft - no question about it.
Rosen ? Darnold ? Mayfield ? Jackson?? . . . anyone seen much of Josh Allen ? I have no clue which one but damn we need to get it right.
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I like that! Sign cousins and draft Mayfield. Take the Penn st. RB 1st
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I still see plenty of things that give me hope with Kizer, but I am all for bringing in another QB be it FA or draft or both next year. Until you're sure you have a QB, you don't have a QB.
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I still see plenty of things that give me hope with Kizer, but I am all for bringing in another QB be it FA or draft or both next year. Until you're sure you have a QB, you don't have a QB. Trust me, we don't have a QB!!!!!
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I still see plenty of things that give me hope with Kizer, but I am all for bringing in another QB be it FA or draft or both next year. Until you're sure you have a QB, you don't have a QB. Sure - there is hope. He's 21. He's playing with a pretty crappy team. But the realistic EXPECTATION that Kizer is a franchise QB???? Not very high. Probability that he isn't a franchise QB ?? Strong.
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The rookie took a step back today and almost everyones freaking out ... SHOCKING that a rook QB took a step back .. that NEVER HAPPENS .... As Vers pointed out ... he did somethings very well ... he had some nice throws ... His ACCURACY was a major issue today ... I said it three or four weeks ago ... Don’t get to high with the good games or to low for the bad ones ... Get a vet .... draft one high ... and see what happens ... just like i said last week and the week before that all the way back to the pre-season ... Lets all hope Mr. Kizer has a good one next week ... 
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