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Here comes the deflection emoji gibberish part of the 40 arsenal.

What did the polls say? What did you say? Who won?

Thanks.

The polls on what?

The 2016 election?

The polls were dead on the money - Clinton -48, Trump - 46.


The polls were valid. The anticpation of where the numbers would land were wildly miscalculated by eggheads.

i can not believe im wasting my time arguing with people over facts.

this #alternative facts nonsense is an epidemic that needs to be eradicated.

Honestly, I find "reason" and "logic" guys to be tedious.
[/quote] Yeah, reason and logic is foolish, right?


Sounds a bit foolish coming from a person whose grasp of the english language includes this gem (quoted from a different thread)

Calling others out for spelling?

The part WHERE THEY LOST .... ...

If you need help with what there understanding of free speech is just let me know ... i know that one also ...

Same with witch LAWS we need to uphold and witch LAWS we can ignore ....

I’d love it if u could explain to me how

1 + 1 = 2 is a concept they NEVER UNDERSTAND ....

Mueller Subpoenas Trump Deutsche Bank Records

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/deutsche-bank-received-subpoena-client-071622784.html

following the money.

Here’s an article so others can understand witch laws...

http://news.lib.uchicago.edu/blog/2012/1...-for-halloween/

In a six-month period starting in January 1692 authorities in Salem, Massachusetts, accused over 100 men and women of witchcraft. Nineteen were convicted and hung at Gallows Hill, and one, Giles Corey, was pressed to death under a pile of stones. Five women accused Mr. Corey of witchcraft in April 1692. He either did not enter a plea or pleaded “not guilty,” but he never agreed to submit to a trial, to “put himself on the country.” No court convicted him of witchcraft, but because he did not submit to a trial, the court sentenced him to peine forte et dure, and crushed him to death in September 1692. His wife, Mary, submitted to trial, which resulted in her hanging.

The law of the Salem Witch Trials is a fascinating mix of biblical passages and colonial statutes. According to Mark Podvia (see Timeline, PDF), the General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony adopted the following statute in 1641: “If any man or woman be a WITCH, that is, hath or consulteth with a familiar spirit, they shall be put to death. Exod. 22. 18. Levit. 20. 27. Deut. 18. 10. 11.” The statute encompasses passages from the Bible written circa 700 B.C. Exodus states: “Thou shall not suffer a witch to live.” Leviticus prescribes the punishment. Witches and wizards “shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.” And Deuteronomy states: “There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.”

In Salem, the accusers and alleged victims came from a small group of girls aged nine to 19, including Betty Parris and Abigail Williams. In January 1692, Betty and Abigail had strange fits. Rumors spread through the village attributing the fits to the devil and the work of his evil hands. The accusers claimed the witchcraft came mostly from women, with the notable exception of four-year old Dorcas Good.

The colony created the Court of Oyer and Terminer especially for the witchcraft trials. The law did not then use the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” – if you made it to trial, the law presumed guilt. If the colony imprisoned you, you had to pay for your stay. Courts relied on three kinds of evidence: 1) confession, 2) testimony of two eyewitnesses to acts of witchcraft, or 3) spectral evidence (when the afflicted girls were having their fits, they would interact with an unseen assailant – the apparition of the witch tormenting them). According to Wendel Craker, no court ever convicted an accused of witchcraft on the basis of spectral evidence alone, but other forms of evidence were needed to corroborate the charge of witchcraft. Courts allowed “causal relationship” evidence, for example, to prove that the accused possessed or controlled an afflicted girl. Prior conflicts, bad acts by the accused, possession of materials used in spells, greater than average strength, and witch’s marks also counted as evidence of witchcraft. If the accused was female, a jury of women examined her body for “witch’s marks” which supposedly showed that a familiar had bitten or fed on the accused. Other evidence included the “touching test” (afficted girls tortured by fits became calm after touching the accused). Courts could not base convictions on confessions obtained through torture unless the accused reaffirmed the confession afterward, but if the accused recanted the confession, authorities usually tortured the accused further to obtain the confession again. If you recited the Lord’s Prayer, you were not a witch. The colony did not burn witches, it hanged them.

The Salem Witch Trials divided the community. Neighbor testified against neighbor. Children against parents. Husband against wife. Children died in prisons. Familes were destroyed. Churches removed from their congregations some of the persons accused of witchcraft. After the Court of Oyer and Terminer was dissolved, the Superior Court of Judicature took over the witchcraft cases. They disallowed spectral evidence. Most accusations of witchcraft then resulted in acquittals. An essay by Increase Mather, a prominent minister, may have helped stop the witch trials craze in Salem.

Researching the Salem Witch Trials is easier than it used to be. Most of the primary source materials (statutes, transcripts of court records, contemporary accounts) are available electronically. Useful databases include HeinOnline Legal Classics Library (see Trials for Witchcraft before the Special Court of Oyer and Terminer, Salem, Massachusetts, 1692; The Salem Witchcraft (Clair, Henry St., 1840); and “Witch Trials,” 1 Curious Cases and Amusing Actions at Law including Some Trials of Witches in the Seventeenth Century (1916) ), HeinOnline World Trials Library, HeinOnline Law Journal Library (also JSTOR, America: History & Life, Google Scholar, and the LexisNexis and Westlaw journal databases), Gale Encyclopedia of American Law (“Salem Witch Trials“), Google Books, Hathi Trust, and the Internet Archive. For books and articles on the Salem Witch Trials and witchcraft and the law generally, Library of Congress subject headings include:

Oh this will be good. Trump warned them not to look into his finances. Will he fire Mueller? What is he hiding in his finances? the plot thickens. This is huge. Who knew?

LOL Didn't he draw a line in the sand?

"Trump: Robert Mueller had better not look where the bodies are buried or I will fire him."

Drip Drip Drip

Still thinking about it ....

So everytime a "reporter" post some Bs are we going to have hear over and over again "this is it trump is toast, its over now......he should resign for this......blah blah blah."

...only to see another policy upheld and another day in office

That wouldnt be the worst thing to happen . Nixon did the same thing and that turned out how it should've so maybe the Orange Ape will not listen to any advice ( like normal ) and act on his own . Gotta hope .

It's a good thing Trump is white, what with you calling him an ape and all.

To be fair if I called him what he truely is then I'd get kicked off the board . Look, the guy is an idiot and you being a smart guy realize that . I know you have to give voice to the objection but the man is an embarrassment.

Who knows maybe we ( The American people ) will learn our lesson and get it closer to right next time . Maybe we will demand candidates that aren't a choice between bad and worse .

BTW. The man isn't white he is a shade of orange .

Come on man, don't be chicken, tell us what he truly is!

Fair enough. You get the point I was making.

Just 3 days ago 40 couldn't make a post and now he's telling people to not be a chicken. I love this forum.

40 calling someone a chicken is funny . Don't mind banter with anyone else on this board but there will never be a lighthearted moment in an exchange between us . I find him despicable with no redeeming qualities . A caricature of an online troll .

Nice try but telling someone not to be a chicken and actually calling someone a chicken are two different things.

Calling someone a caricature of a troll, well that is another subject entirely.

Agreed. It's very insulting to trolls.

Whistleblower: At inauguration, Flynn texted on nuclear plan

https://www.yahoo.com/news/whistleblower-inauguration-flynn-texted-nuclear-180906476.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — A whistleblower has told House Democrats that during President Donald Trump's inauguration speech, national security adviser Michael Flynn texted a former business associate to say a private nuclear reactor plan Flynn had lobbied for would also have his support in the White House.

As the whistleblower chatted with Flynn's associate at an Inauguration Day celebration on Jan. 20, Flynn sent text messages saying the associate's nuclear proposal was "good to go," the whistleblower said. According to the whistleblower, Flynn also informed the associate that his business partners could move forward with their project, which aimed to construct a network of nuclear reactors across the Mideast with support from Russian and other international interests.

While Flynn's agreement last week to plead guilty and cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation largely insulates the retired lieutenant general from further legal jeopardy, the whistleblower's allegations raise new concerns about the extent to which Flynn may have blurred his private and public interests during his brief stint inside the White House. Trump fired Flynn in February, saying he had misled Vice President Mike Pence and others about his contacts with Russia's ambassador to the U.S.

Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, said Wednesday that the whistleblower's allegations raise concerns that Flynn improperly aided the nuclear project after joining the White House as one of Trump's top national security officials. The project has yet to get off the ground.

Cummings detailed the whistleblower's allegations in a letter to House Oversight chairman Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, and urged Gowdy to authorize subpoenas to Flynn and his business associates to learn more about his efforts to aid the proposal. Gowdy did not immediately respond to Associated Press requests for comment but previously has referred letters from House Democrats about Flynn to Mueller's inquiry.

Flynn had been a paid consultant for the venture before he joined the Trump campaign last year. The plan, backed by a group of investors, nuclear power adherents and former U.S. military officers, was to construct dozens of nuclear reactors across the Mideast working with Russian and other international private interests.

House Democrats noted that a federal ethics law requires White House officials to refrain for a year from dealing with any outside interests they had previously worked with on private business matters.

"Our committee has credible allegations that President Trump's national security adviser sought to manipulate the course of international nuclear policy for the financial gain of his former business partners," Cummings said.

The whistleblower told House Democrats that while Trump spoke in January, Flynn texted from his seat on the Capitol steps to Alex Copson, the managing director of ACU Strategic Partners and the nuclear project's main promoter. The whistleblower, whose identity was not revealed in Cummings' letter, said during a conversation, Copson described his messages with Flynn and briefly flashed one of the texts, which appeared to have been sent 10 minutes after Trump began speaking.

"Mike has been putting everything in place for us," Copson said, according to the whistleblower. Copson added that "this is going to make a lot of very wealthy people." The whistleblower also said that Copson intimated that U.S. financial sanctions hobbling the nuclear project were going to be "ripped up."

Attorneys for Flynn and Copson did not immediately return email and phone requests for comment.

In Flynn's agreement last week to plead guilty to one count of making false statements, prosecutors said that Flynn lied to FBI agents about his discussions on sanctions against Russia with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition.

Copson had promoted a succession of nuclear projects designed to include Russian participation dating back to the 1990s. In an earlier note to the committee, Copson said his firm had provided Flynn with a $25,000 check — left uncashed — and paid for Flynn's June 2015 trip to the Mideast as a security consultant for the project.

Flynn's financial disclosure did not cite those payments, but he did report that until December 2016, he worked as an adviser to two other companies that partnered with Copson's firm. That consortium, X-Co Dynamics Inc. and Iron Bridge Group, initially worked with ACU but later pushed a separate nuclear proposal for the Mideast.

If this is true, the dude really sold his soul.

Big IF, I don't think Mueller would have cut him such a deal if something like this where to be true, and if they didn't know about it, then REALLY what is the point of this investigation??? sounds like this story is a little fabricated to me.

sound logic says that Mueller cut him a big deal because Flynn has enough dirt to make it worth it.

Swish, you must really hate Trump.

When all this is over and nothing much comes of it, what will the Dems do to win voters?

Republicans are making that easy on them with healthcare, the tax bill, net neutrality, doing nothing with education, and lack of infrastructure spending.

I don't hate Trump the person. I hate Trump the president. he has no business running this country. i have stated as such since the election season.

I get what a plea deal is, I just don't see Mueller, who is supposed to be Mr. Ethics, cutting a guy a deal who was trying to make backhand negotiations on Nuclear weapons doesn't seem like it would be something you are able to deal on. JMO

Mueller is getting desperate.

the dems have had their hands on education for years, and the vast majority of educators and teachers and school unions are left leaning. so if "doing nothing" is vastly changing the way our poorly run education system as been run the past what 8-16 years, then so be it.

sure it is, if nothing was implicated yet. Trump signed the sanction bill but hasn't enacted anything yet.

however, if nothing has come from that deal flynn made, then it doesn't matter.

That is what we have firing squads for, not plea deals.

funny how someone who claimed to rails against the status quo is suddenly all for the status quo.

we call that flip flopping.

At least you admit Flynn was cutting backhanded negotiations (collusion) with Russia. Baby steps.

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Republicans are making that easy on them with healthcare, the tax bill, net neutrality, doing nothing with education, and lack of infrastructure spending.

I don't hate Trump the person. I hate Trump the president. he has no business running this country. i have stated as such since the election season. [/quote]the dems have had their hands on education for years, and the vast majority of educators and teachers and school unions are left leaning. so if "doing nothing" is vastly changing the way our poorly run education system as been run the past what 8-16 years, then so be it.
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funny how someone who claimed to rails against the status quo is suddenly all for the status quo.

we call that flip flopping. [/quote]how is what they are doing now the status quo? Didn't I hear you and others complain over and over about Betsy DeVos and how they were "destroying" the educational system?

Sorry, the educational system is a joke in this country and has been for decades. We spend more per student than any other country and have nothing to show for it basically. We give millions to educate illegal immigrants only to take American citizens jobs and that directly hate the poor and minority communities.

Mueller might have cut that deal if he has proof Trump was involved in negotiating it before taking office.

I have said it once and I say it again - reading is your friendI already stated I believe this to be bogus. Apparently you cant comprehend hypothetical situations.

Where were nuclear weapons mentions? I thought I read nuclear reactors for energy production? Those are not even in the same realm of nuclear technology.

Link

Keep up the articles guys, real investigative work going on these days....

Different story it pertains too, but shows what exactly is FAKE NEWS

Stop bro. He’s spinning like a hamster right now.