DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy Haslam confirms Hue Jackson to return in 2018

You can sat what you want about Hue, let's face it he has made mistakes, but the players are still busting their backs for him and don't seem to have tuned him out. That says a lot for a coach on an 0-12 football team. I like Hue and would like to see what he could do with more talent and play makers. I think he would produce a winner.

I think it's safe to say Hue Jackson will be on his best behavior next year. His leash will be incredibly short.

Hue stays? This is hard to believe. Very hard.

A new GM is going to retain a 1 and 20 something coach? How many decent players will get axed in this process. We finally have a base of talent. I think poor coaching has much more to do with our record than anything Sashi done, and that trade for McCarron was STUPID and should have been killed.

No! mac you just stop! lol

NFL roster are continuations not brand new each year. The team was in a total rebuild for a reason: because it wasn't good. He didn't make the team bad he inherited a bad team and *newsflash* rebuilds don't happen overnight they take time. The team, despite the record is in a position to be much better next year thanks to the moves that Sashi made. That's the truth. It was a painful plan and the sacrifice was hurt but their in a good position.

And its easy to say Sashi couldn't be trusted with personnel...but he was tasked to get rid of the old bad personnel and start a youth movement through the draft.

What's that old saying?....you give a dog a bad name before (or in this case) after you kill it

With Haslam ownership nothing changes !

Honestly don't know or remember.

Sashi also brought in talent that panned out. I'm not saying every single thing he did was wrong.

Sachi missed on 2 of the top 5 QB's for the next decades... That alone is enough to justify firing him...

He was also head of what is most probably going to be the worst team in the NFL history...

Worst GM in NFL history... Sachi Brown
Worst Coach in NFL history ... Hue Jackson
Worst Owner in NFL History.....

I am wondering if we have already decided on a GM and if that guy has already said he is okay w/Hue Jackson.

Yes, Sashi is supposedly being fired for what he didn't do, not what he did.

Unreal, someone get him away from the microphone:



https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/938841225221824512



https://twitter.com/TheNickShook/status/938841360332873728

Trust Me!

The counterpoint would be, this is very young team made up of a lot of 1st and 2nd year guys that cannot afford to quit on anyone or they could be out of the NFL.

A team like the Broncos with a bunched of high-priced veterans with money in the bank are the types of players that typically quit on a coach. They are already vested in the NFL.

Just another angle to consider, nothing more.

Mike Silver says that Hue Jackson was taking the bullet for the front on that one.

jc

i guess part of the minority that is happy Hue is staying. i also completely agree with hue's perspective of not getting an OC.

i think he'll hire an OC next season, and hopefully we can nail this draft and make a nice jump in 2018.

Hue wanted X QB, Sashi failed to deliver MULTIPLE times. Sashi's inability to sign targeted players is the main reason I think he got fired. IMHO.

What was it, about a week or two ago, there was an article on here where Hue said he wanted more input on who we draft?

I never saw any lack of effort by a player playing for Hue. I saw a ton of mistakes by the QB in the Redzone which probably did cost us a few games this year. Turnovers hurt, but they hurt more in the red zone.

My hope is that someone like a Payton Manning comes here. I can't think of another guy off the top of my head that I would want but I'm listening for suggestions.

And I think we need a OC. Being a HC is tough enough, being the HC and OC can't be a walk in the park.

Sure sounds that way to me... there's no reason to say "Hue Jackson will remain our coach and will return for the 2018 season" unless that scenario seems likely according to interviews you've already conducted. I mean, why in the world would you include the second part of that sentence, if not? To scare prospective candidates away?

Being a impetuous, dumb owner is a reason.

I don't think it's a minority. Almost everyone I have talked to sees it the way you do. It's just that a handful of posters who have backed the FO no matter what are posting a lot right now.

I get their pain and they have a right to vent, but I think the majority of Brown's fans think that if one had to go, it had to be Sashi.

I'm in that camp as well. There are some things that Hue does which I'm not a fan of, like consistently passing on first down, especially on the first play of the game. I'm also not a huge fan of those mega-shifts pre-snap.

However, I think a lot of his playcalling and schemes are very good. I thought he called a great game against the Chargers. I think our execution is obviously lacking, especially at the QB position, and I'm not saying that to specifically dog Kizer either.

Hue had a break-even record as head coach before, and he is widely respected around the league. Clearly, we don't have that talent here.

With all that in mind, I'm absolutely willing to see what he does next year.

Hue Jackson insulted our intelligence while undermining Sashi Brown: Doug Lesmerises

Updated 5:48 PM; Posted 5:47 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/12/hue_jackson_insulted_our_intel.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Hue Jackson sat down in front of reporters after Browns practice Thursday and started talking about the weather, once again striking the pose of an innocent bystander amidst the Browns chaos.

Don't believe it.

Jackson is the cause of it, a coach who undermined the front office while failing to develop a quarterback, a coach who grabbed the ears of nervous owners and got them to bail on the future while somehow skirting blame for Sunday after Sunday when he doesn't get anywhere near the best out of his team.

Executive VP for football operations Sashi Brown was fired Thursday while owner Jimmy Haslam committed to Jackson for the 2018 season.

That means Jackson won.

He fought the battle for Haslam's blessing and the battle of public perception more effectively. If Jackson was half as good at coaching as he was at saving his own job and media manipulation, the Browns would be a playoff team.

Jackson denies it, of course, taking issue when I asked him Thursday about leaks that led to repeated stories this season designed to make the front office look bad.

"I don't deal in leaks," Jackson said during his news conference. "I've been doing this for quite a while. I don't know what you are referring to when you say 'leaks out of here.' This has been a leaky place for years. This is not the first time you have ever heard leaks out of the Cleveland Browns.

"Hopefully, some of that stuff will go away in time, but it is not going to go away when you are losing, that is for sure. If anything, it is going to ratchet up even more. I think you get that yourselves. I appreciate 'my agent, my this, my that,' but we don't deal in that way. I have never dealt in that way."

Jackson continued his point in the hallway, telling me that he went searching for the assistant that sent e-mails to NFL analyst Benjamin Allbright earlier this year that said Sashi Brown went home early on the night Jimmy Garoppolo was traded, a claim that has been disputed.

Jackson also made it clear he hasn't appreciated much of what I've written and asked him about. So that's important to note. Jackson denied any role in the leaks and disagrees with my view.

And my view is that he's harming the Browns.

* Keeping Jackson, firing Brown is worst choice for Browns

On the day when the other person leading this team was fired, Jackson was given a vote of confidence into next season. Why is firing Brown attached to keeping Jackson? It's illogical. And it doesn't happen unless Jackson has worked to make it happen.

Jackson, in fact, made the point for his own dismissal in his explanation of why he wouldn't need to create bad press for Sashi Brown.

He said the results are bad enough.

"Criticizing the front office? How would I make the front office look bad? I coach a football team. That right there is bad enough, 1-27 is bad enough," Jackson said. "I don't have to say anything. My agent doesn't have to say anything. Just look at our football team. I'm a part of that as I said earlier."

So why is he here? What's Jackson's case for himself?

"I never thought that I should not be here," Jackson said, "but I'm not the judge of why Sashi is not here or not. That is something that you would have to take up with Jimmy."

That will be taken up with Haslam, who is expected to meet with reporters Friday. But Jackson's approach Thursday was an insult to Browns fans.

After a year of stories about coach and front office infighting, for Jackson to act as if he's above it all is to ask a beaten down fan base to ignore reality.

When you win, Hue, at least don't insult our intelligence. Because this is what the Browns are left with now. Jimmy Haslam made his choice.

After investing in a front office plan that he knew would take three years and would require some patience, Haslam sided with a supposed quarterback guru who has done nothing but ruin the confidence of DeShone Kizer while failing to improve his accuracy or mechanics.

Jackson has waffled wildly between declaring Kizer the hope for the city, then benching him, the same way he benched Cody Kessler in a panic last year. But it was Jackson who was all-in on Kizer starting the year, who anointed him the starter when the quarterback was really a value pick at No. 52 in the second round.

Jackson's own plan varied week to week, moment to moment. He took veiled shots at the roster while accepting or denying the basics of the long-term front office plan, depending on what suited him best.

At the very least, Sashi Brown's plan had the long-term health of the Browns in mind. It wasn't always perfect, but you could see the underlying goal.

Just like you can see Jackson's goal. Saving himself.

And then lying to us about it.

"I didn't win a power [struggle], I'm sorry that you feel that way," Jackson said during the news conference when I asked why we couldn't all just be honest and admit what happened here with Jackson, Brown and Haslam.

"I respect that you feel that it was a power struggle. I don't look at it that way. I look at it as I was coaching a football team and trying to do the best that I can. I think everybody is trying to do the best they can. You look at it that way. I don't see a power struggle.

"I have a contract that was longer than two years. However you want to look at that, that is totally up to you, but I don't look at it as a power struggle. I think where we are today is the organization made a decision to do something different. I stand behind that wholeheartedly, grateful for the opportunity to still be here and grateful for the opportunity to coach this team and that is what I am going to do."

And the Browns are worse off for it.

was the author the reporter who sounded super aggressive and salty at the press conference?

Another FO supporter obviously. lol

It is a valid point, in my opinion. If Hue and Sashi were not conducting themselves with the utmost professionalism, that's a major concern against both. Simply removing Sashi doesn't absolve Hue in his role of a breakdown in communication that is required to run a successful operation.

And can we entrust him to not allow such dysfunction to occur again? If that's how he conducts himself when he doesn't get his way, that's something we should be worried about.

It is also quite gross the way he threw his players under the bus. Think that. Go home and complain to the missus that they're all incompetent fools with no talent, no future and no hope. That's fine. But saying your team is so bad that you wouldn't hire an OC because the player are so bad they would reflect poorly on that OC is just out of line.

Hue is kidding himself if he thinks the players will hear that and not feel like their coach just quit on them. He's got four damn weeks left; now is the time to encourage and assure them. Lead them. Not make up lame excuses when any man worth his salt would have the courage and common sense to accept responsibility for his own role in the team's shortcomings.

I'm glad the journalist asked a tough question. It was tough, but fair. If there was dysfunction, which we should honestly put at about a 99% chance, then the fans deserve to know why and how that will be avoided in the future.

On the other hand, Hue pretending nothing happened, showing no accountability and throwing his players under the bus was an eye opening response.

Is that the same "reporter" who conducted the abrasive Brock Osweiler interview?

Man, what an ass!

Hue Jackson said he didn't hire an offensive coordinator because he knew we would be bad and didn't want that person to be the fall guy.

Offensive coordinators are usually hired well before any new players are acquired. So Hue Jackson knew, before any new players were acquired, we would be bad yet didn't hire an offensive coordinator. Wouldn't the offensive coordinator have helped the situation? Isn't he throwing the players under the bus to protect himself?

Just stop.

I am too.

Hue sucks.


Understand that. If we win 9 games next year, I will offer apology.



Oh, we should have won maybe 5 games this year with a different coach.

You do understand you could have coached this team to zero wins at this point, don't you?


I'd rather you be the coach....I am sure you would give me sideline passes.

1, 2, 3, 4, ..... 1009, 1010 ...

OK .. now i’m ready to reply ... *LOL* ...

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once on awhile ... lets hope the thief finds a nut ....

What's the worst that can happen?
We lose all our games?

I didn't care for Brown and I don't dislike Hue but Sashi didn't call plays, manage time or develop players. I won't listen to " We're young" next year. I've haven't seen much that says Hue is some great head coach. Players like him. Yep, they liked Romeo too and that didn't work. If Hue wants the ball then he had better show us something!

No, Sashi is the one who put the roster together.

I am glad he is gone and I think our future is a lot brighter now than it was just 24 hours ago.

I'm sure everyone played their part.
I'll certainly be relieved to see a GM and coach play well together. (Fingers crossed)

Yeah, what is up in Berea? How many times have we heard about how the FO and coaches having toxic environments? Remember the Farmer/Pet feud? The differences between Banner and Chud?

Sheesh!

Good, we win 9 games next year. I am good with that as a start to your boy coaching us to a Superbowl win in 19 or 20.


You expect that no doubt. You do expect a Superbowl win, right?

I think the magic number for next year is 7.

Mr. Grumpy, I never made any such claim.

The team is young and inexperienced. Mistakes were made. It's going to take some time.

I haven't made any promises about the record.

I am simply happy that if someone had to go, that it was Sashi and not Hue.

Hue has a million more times respect in the NFL than Sashi does. I doubt Sashi ever gets another NFL job that has anything to do w/personnel decisions. Hue would get hired as a coach in a heartbeat.

I was hoping they could work together, but I said from day one that the plan was destined to fail because it's too hard for an organization to endure so many losses.

I kinda feel bad for you FO folks and I understand your pain, but you guys really didn't play fair the entire time. Most of you were ready to sacrifice Hue to protect the FO. So, I don't feel all that bad.

And I am excited about our future. I think this team can make great strides by retaining Hue and hiring Dorsey. We will have continuity on the field and we will have an excellent football talent evaluator making our picks.

I'm excited and your doom and gloom won't drag me down.

...7 weeks?

That's hilarious?