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You have submitted this article in three threads. Is it that important to you that Hue is painted in a negative light?
Whatever. Here is my response to this nonsense in another thread:
I see why this dude writes for something named "spinzone." LOL
I know that some of you don't like me. I understand this will be ridiculed by you guys. That's fine.
However, there are others who respect my analysis and this is for you guys.
A big deal was made out of getting players that fit your system. It was said as an insult. I do think coaches should adjust their game plans and schemes to fit their talent, but guys.............this is nothing new.
Guess what all of New England's GMs who have worked w/BB have in common? The answer is that they get the kind of players that Bill wants. They get guys that fit their system and culture.
Guess what kinds of players the Steelers' GM get? Guys that fit the system and culture of the team.
Guess what kind of players that Spielman get Zimmer in Minni? Guys that fit his system and culture.
It's not out of the ordinary. It's not a negative like this author and the Hue Haters on this site will claim it is.
Instead, it's intelligent. It makes sense.
I think it is a positive that we apparently have a HC and GM who want to work together. I don't think Hue should select the players. I don't think Dorsey should cut productive players to save money. I say let both men do their jobs.
And more importantly, I think that the GM puts the HC into the best possible situation. He gets the input of what the HC wants in his players and what positions he needs. He then goes out and acquires those players.
That isn't an indictment on Hue, just as it isn't an indictment on Bill Belichick. It isn't an indictment on Dorsey. Instead, it is a good sign that we finally have a GM who actually wants to work w/his HC.
Things are looking up in Cleveland. Enjoy the ride, folks.
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You have submitted this article in three threads. That is a LIE. What three threads was this exact same article posted in?
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LOL.....
You started a new thread w/this artcile. That's 1. It's in the Sashi was fired thread. That's 2. And it is in this thread. That is 3.
Now, if the refs moved one of them from the deleted thread to one of the other two makes me a liar, so be it. I'm used to the Hue Haters calling me names. Heck, a guy called me a pervert earlier tonight. It's what you guys do. However, my point remains...........why would you feel the need to post such a BS article in "multiple" threads?
And more importantly, the message of the article was pure garbage and I think I proved that w/my commentary on the article.
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LOL.....
You started a new thread w/this artcile. That's 1. It's in the Sashi was fired thread. That's 2. And it is in this thread. That is 3.
Now, if the refs moved one of them from the deleted thread to one of the other two makes me a liar, so be it. I'm used to the Hue Haters calling me names. Heck, a guy called me a pervert earlier tonight. It's what you guys do. However, my point remains...........why would you feel the need to post such a BS article in "multiple" threads?
And more importantly, the message of the article was pure garbage and I think I proved that w/my commentary on the article. You Lie they are different articles...read the titles. The new thread was moved to this thread by the Refs I believe I did not put it here titled... Cleveland Browns: Hue Jackson lays out why he’s a terrible coach
The Sashi was fired thread titled...
Cleveland Browns: Nothing is ever Hue Jackson’s fault.
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Okay Vambo. I am a liar. Have a nice night.
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Okay Vambo. I am a liar. Have a nice night. Don't lie you woun't be called out on it.
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I'll let people judge just who is lying or not. LOL
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Okay, I will respond w/this: I see why this dude writes for something named "spinzone." LOL
I know that some of you don't like me. I understand this will be ridiculed by you guys. That's fine.
However, there are others who respect my analysis and this is for you guys.
A big deal was made out of getting players that fit your system. It was said as an insult. I do think coaches should adjust their game plans and schemes to fit their talent, but guys.............this is nothing new.
Guess what all of New England's GMs who have worked w/BB have in common? The answer is that they get the kind of players that Bill wants. They get guys that fit their system and culture.
Guess what kinds of players the Steelers' GM get? Guys that fit the system and culture of the team.
Guess what kind of players that Spielman get Zimmer in Minni? Guys that fit his system and culture.
It's not out of the ordinary. It's not a negative like this author and the Hue Haters on this site will claim it is.
Instead, it's intelligent. It makes sense.
I think it is a positive that we apparently have a HC and GM who want to work together. I don't think Hue should select the players. I don't think Dorsey should cut productive players to save money. I say let both men do their jobs.
And more importantly, I think that the GM puts the HC into the best possible situation. He gets the input of what the HC wants in his players and what positions he needs. He then goes out and acquires those players.
That isn't an indictment on Hue, just as it isn't an indictment on Bill Belichick. It isn't an indictment on Dorsey. Instead, it is a good sign that we finally have a GM who actually wants to work w/his HC.
Things are looking up in Cleveland. Enjoy the ride, folks.
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all by the same guy saying the same thing but they are differnt? lmao
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You have submitted this article in three threads. Is it that important to you that Hue is painted in a negative light?
Whatever. Here is my response to this nonsense in another thread:
I see why this dude writes for something named "spinzone." LOL
I know that some of you don't like me. I understand this will be ridiculed by you guys. That's fine.
However, there are others who respect my analysis and this is for you guys.
A big deal was made out of getting players that fit your system. It was said as an insult. I do think coaches should adjust their game plans and schemes to fit their talent, but guys.............this is nothing new.
Guess what all of New England's GMs who have worked w/BB have in common? The answer is that they get the kind of players that Bill wants. They get guys that fit their system and culture.
Guess what kinds of players the Steelers' GM get? Guys that fit the system and culture of the team.
Guess what kind of players that Spielman get Zimmer in Minni? Guys that fit his system and culture.
It's not out of the ordinary. It's not a negative like this author and the Hue Haters on this site will claim it is.
Instead, it's intelligent. It makes sense.
I think it is a positive that we apparently have a HC and GM who want to work together. I don't think Hue should select the players. I don't think Dorsey should cut productive players to save money. I say let both men do their jobs.
And more importantly, I think that the GM puts the HC into the best possible situation. He gets the input of what the HC wants in his players and what positions he needs. He then goes out and acquires those players.
That isn't an indictment on Hue, just as it isn't an indictment on Bill Belichick. It isn't an indictment on Dorsey. Instead, it is a good sign that we finally have a GM who actually wants to work w/his HC.
Things are looking up in Cleveland. Enjoy the ride, folks. All those words disparaging the opinion of another in an article, yet not one word from you disputing what he actually said. We were told that Sashi & Hue were going to work well together. I hope it works this time. Hue's leash just got a lot shorter.
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Agreed. And the fact they didn't work well together is an issue for both. I don't believe a breakdown in communication takes place with only one individual to blame. If things were as bad as reported, Hue Jackson is going to have to improve his people skills, because I don't see two executives being fired for him.
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Agreed. And the fact they didn't work well together is an issue for both. I don't believe a breakdown in communication takes place with only one individual to blame. If things were as bad as reported, Hue Jackson is going to have to improve his people skills, because I don't see two executives being fired for him. I don't think it's his people skills that are the problem. I think it's the beating his over-inflated ego has been taking. Losing makes everyone frustrated, but I think Hue actually believed he was great enough to have us winning sooner so it has hit him hardest. Yet, he still thinks he's great, so it had to be someone else's fault. Hopefully, we start winning and this gets glossed over. Time will tell.
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Agreed. And the fact they didn't work well together is an issue for both. I don't believe a breakdown in communication takes place with only one individual to blame. If things were as bad as reported, Hue Jackson is going to have to improve his people skills, because I don't see two executives being fired for him. I don't think it's his people skills that are the problem. I think it's the beating his over-inflated ego has been taking. Losing makes everyone frustrated, but I think Hue actually believed he was great enough to have us winning sooner so it has hit him hardest. Yet, he still thinks he's great, so it had to be someone else's fault. Hopefully, we start winning and this gets glossed over. Time will tell. I agree that his ego could be an issue. Over in the thread where I mentioned his comments regarding why he hasn't signed an OC, I think the real reason is that he thinls he's got a great scheme, is a great playcaller and he doesn't need an extra cook in the kitchen. That's all it is. Which makes the whole 'this roster isn't worthy of a OC' schtick even more nauseating. It's becoming an issue. He fired his last DC, has got Sashi fired, has moved on from multiple quarterbacks. It is getting to the stage that he can only point so many fingers at other people before the overwhelming evidence suggests he should be pointing at himself. But, I digress. I can handle ego, and sympathize with the desire to push for what he thinks can turn this thing around sooner. That's understandable. What is not understandable is if he's willing to let professional relationships deteriorate over it. That's when working together requires the most effort. We knew this rebuild would be tough, and there is no such thing as a mistake free draft/free agency period, but dysfunction pushes us further away from achieving goals. It sounds to me like Hue and Sashi let that relationship deteriorate to a point in which only one could remain. That's a question mark over both of them, in my opinion. Hue can't just be easy to work with only when things are going well.
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Agreed. And the fact they didn't work well together is an issue for both. I don't believe a breakdown in communication takes place with only one individual to blame. If things were as bad as reported, Hue Jackson is going to have to improve his people skills, because I don't see two executives being fired for him. I don't think it's his people skills that are the problem. I think it's the beating his over-inflated ego has been taking. Losing makes everyone frustrated, but I think Hue actually believed he was great enough to have us winning sooner so it has hit him hardest. Yet, he still thinks he's great, so it had to be someone else's fault. Hopefully, we start winning and this gets glossed over. Time will tell. A win or two these last four games would really help Hue's cause. Playing to the team's strengths would go a long way toward making that happen. Will he do that? He will if he's smart. If not... He may have been guaranteed a return in 2018 but he wasn't guaranteed to finish that season. If he doesn't start winning, soon, Dorsey will be mandated to get his own coach.
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For what it’s worth http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-his-own-coach/I think Hue is done at years end, Haslam just said Jackson was safe to give the team its best chance to win a game or two from here on out. In other words avoid the perception of a lame duck and guys giving up. Dorsey already knows exactly who he wants to hire considering he has deep ties to the staffs in GB and KC. Barring a 3 game win streak I’ll be suprisrd if Jackson survives especially if he ends up 0-16...you just cant keep an 0-16 coach...
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Vambo changed the name of the thread to "Hue Jackson lays out why he’s a terrible coach."
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Report: John Dorsey could talk Jimmy Haslam out of Hue Jackson https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...ckson-112096874Change is still a possibility in Cleveland? Jimmy Haslam has been headstrong in his commitment to head coach Hue Jackson thus far. There has also been some talk that new General Manager John Dorsey signed off on the coach and vice versa. However, some around the league feel that Dorsey will ultimately attempt to talk Haslam out of his covenant with the coach according to Pro Football Talk. Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown was canned Thursday. The Browns have gone 1-28 over the past two seasons and are currently amidst an 0-13 season. They are the first team in NFL history to start consecutive seasons with an 0-13 record. Author Josh Edwards
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Now there is "proof."
Of what, I won't say.
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Now there is "proof."
Of what, I won't say. Why must you pick a fight on every thread? How insecure are you?
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just cant see this staff staying. Dorsey has been part of the WCO everywhere he has been. No coach survives a record like this. I know what Jimmy said and he may be telling the truth but man, I cant see it. 1-28
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I think that Dorsey approved Hue and vice versa. I get that a lot of you blame Hue and want him gone, but the best thing for the team is to keep him and maintain some semblance of continuity.
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I don’t think they will fire Hue this year. I can see Dorsey wanting him gone, but he will wait him out until next year when Jimmah will be more on board. Of course if we lose out all bets are off and Hue could be gone at seasons end. My guess is he will get the first half of next year to show something and if we start slow he will get canned mid season
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Why use the draft to give Hue style players just to fire him mid season if you keep him you need to stick with him for a few years if there is doubt about Hue don't waste the draft on his type of players.
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If Hue loses the last 3, he's gone. He won't make it to next year. He emailed himself out of a job.
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If Hue loses the last 3, he's gone. He won't make it to next year. He emailed himself out of a job. Why do people think this? Haslam already said he'd be back. It wasn't contingent on winning any games. I don't think he's going back on his word 5 weeks later.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I think there all counting Hue out like they did the Trumpster ...  I think Hue starts the season next year ... after that ... all bets are off ...
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Haslam has said many people will be back that no longer have jobs. Dorsey is taking a good long look at this mess and seeing unprepared, and poorly coached players. Sashi was fine with keeping Hue around until everything was built up. Dorsey is looking at all these picks and all this cap space and knows it will all be for naught, if the coach can't coach up the team for four quarters.
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I think they are hoping he will be fired more than they believe he will be fired.
I, on the other hand, am hoping that Hue survives this season and then Dorsey improves the talent level enough that the Browns win enough games next years to keep his job.
I get that would break some poster's hearts, but that is what I am hoping for.
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Do you think any other HC could have won more games than Hue with the players Hue has?
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Honestly I can go either way. I'm not a Hue fan. There is a part of me that believes sticking with him is best for the players. But it can't be a sham. There's no point in keeping Hue if Dorsey is going to lobby against him next year. Might as well just make the move now.
But in terms of what's going to happen at the end of the year, I don't know why Haslam would go back on his word after 5 weeks. I guess it's possible. I just don't think it will happen.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Do you think any other HC could have won more games than Hue with the players Hue has? None that the Browns have had.
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Do you think any other HC could have won more games than Hue with the players Hue has? None that the Browns have had. That's not the question...
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Here is my bottom line. Some posters on here want Hue to fail and be fired. They are upset that Sashi was fired. They hitched their wagon to his dumb ass plan. They blame Hue for Sashi being fired and our now vindictive. They are upset that their attempt to blame Hue for the team's record did not succeed in him being fired and Sashi retained.
I get all of that and it is understandable.
I think the best thing for the Browns is that we have enough success next year that Hue retains his job. Hiring a new HC means we change schemes yet again. We lose our continuity and we have to start over again, because the new coach will want to overhaul the roster to get his type of players in here. It will only retard the team's development.
I think it is best for the team [not poster's feelings] that Hue wins enough games next year that Dorsey retains him.
I think that Dorsey has already agreed to keep Hue into next year. If he hadn't, I don't think Jimmy announces that Hue would be back next year.
I think this team is close. They played hard yet again today. Having Gordon on the O makes a world of difference. Coleman played well at WR today. If we get consistent qb play, this team could improve significantly.
Stay the course. It will reap dividends.
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The course was changed by firing Sashi...
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I doubt the players give a rat's butt about that. LOL
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You mean the players Hue said were unworthy of an OC?
He was afraid they would get an OC fired? Those players?
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If Hue loses the last 3, he's gone. He won't make it to next year. He emailed himself out of a job. Why do people think this? Haslam already said he'd be back. It wasn't contingent on winning any games. I don't think he's going back on his word 5 weeks later. It's Haslam. He lies every time he talks.
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Report: John Dorsey could talk Jimmy Haslam out of Hue Jackson https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...ckson-112096874Change is still a possibility in Cleveland? Jimmy Haslam has been headstrong in his commitment to head coach Hue Jackson thus far. There has also been some talk that new General Manager John Dorsey signed off on the coach and vice versa. However, some around the league feel that Dorsey will ultimately attempt to talk Haslam out of his covenant with the coach according to Pro Football Talk. Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown was canned Thursday. The Browns have gone 1-28 over the past two seasons and are currently amidst an 0-13 season. They are the first team in NFL history to start consecutive seasons with an 0-13 record. Author Josh Edwards Those pesky leaks.
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