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It's going to hard to "beat" the Sashi drafts....

I think it's a disaster to keep an 0-16 HC let alone a 1-31 HC, but whatever....

I don’t when I look at the situation. I’m excited that Hue is gonna get paired with a guy who knows how to pick players and understand the importance of having veterans on the roster.

I just have to get this out of my system. John reminds me of a Monkey That being said he still looks better than me.

Lol what?

Dorsey and Haslam looks good for their age.

"The Cleveland browns will not be successful until we find a quarterback"

- Jimmy Haslam.

lol Kizer, sorry broskie.

"In fairness to Sashi, He inherited a roster that was a little older, very expensive, and not very good"

- Jimmy Haslam on if Sashi's plan was too extreme with tearing down the team to studs.

Heard Mel Kiper talking about this on the radio like two months ago. When he said it at the time it made sense to me, very excited to see it happening.

Ron Perlman's doppelgänger. Perlman. Now that's a dude that looks like a monkey.

J/C
Actually I know nothing of DORSEY [and I'm not blowing smoke] but with VERS approval of this hire I feel more comfortable cause he usually does his homework .... IMO

Agreed. If Vers is happy with this hire then I think we may finally have something. Vers does do his homework and pretty much knows what he is talking about. The few things I have read and heard about Dorsey leads me to believe this was a very good hire. We may finally have gotten it right!!!

john dorsey sounds way different than I expected LOL ... strange voice, mannerisms ... but he's gotta be way better than what we've had

Get off your high horse! Most of us are on-board (to some degree or other) with the Dorsey hire...

This is a great hire for us!

I only have ONE ISSUE:

That Jackson and Dorsey both report to Haslam. That’s a mistake and just sets us up for continuing dysfunction.

Dorsey needs to be in charge of ALL football operations and Jackson should report to Dorsey...in others Forsey is the boss, Jackson shouldn’t be on equal terms.

I also think Haslam needs to hire a President, a guy with a little bit of business and football experience(Kinda lol how Joe Banner was) and Dorsey reports to him and President reports to Haslam.

This is how successful organizations are set up. The current system will allow these two to undermine each other in cases where they don’t get along. It’s a mistake.

Fix the organizational structure it’s a GREAT hire, leave it like it is now we will be hiring another guy in 18-24 months.

My horse is not high. Please refrain of accusing my equestrian friend of substance abuse.

New Browns GM Dorsey: 'Let's re-awake this sleeping giant'

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1441606

The Cleveland Browns introduced their new general manager Friday, and John Dorsey didn't waste any time endearing himself to the fan base.

"Let's re-awake this sleeping giant, the Cleveland Browns. I'm kind of excited about that," Dorsey said at his introductory press conference.

Dorsey takes over a club that is 1-27 in the past two seasons and hasn't made the playoffs since 2002. Dorsey brings with him 26 years of player personnel experience and recently spent four years as the general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Despite the Browns' recent history, Dorsey has no qualms about his new gig.

"This is one of those iconic franchises. This has got one of the most unique fan bases in the National Football League," Dorsey said. "We want to be competitive every year ... and we're going to do that."

The Browns are stocked with substantial draft capital, including two first-round picks and three second-round selections in the upcoming draft.

Former executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown was fired Thursday, and owner Jimmy Haslam may have hinted at a potential reason for his dismissal.

"Let me say it this way. The Cleveland Browns are not gonna be successful until we get a quarterback," Haslam said. "We obviously have DeShone (Kizer), we have two other quarterbacks on the roster. We're going to look at free agency and we're going to look at the draft.

"We're going to do whatever it takes to find the quarterback we need to be successful."

Haslam said identifying the right quarterback will be Dorsey's No. 1 responsibility.

I don't think he ever finished a full thought. It doesn't matter. Just pick good football players.

Having three different people report to the owner is dumb in any circumstance. Having three different people report to the owner when the owner is Jimmy Haslam is a disaster.

I think John Dorsey is probably a good hire, you can never know with GMs, but I have no faith in anything working as long as Jimmy Haslam is calling the shots.

I have no doubt he is excited. Seriously, he has a legitimate chance to be the Savior to resurrect the Browns with what is already on this roster and what he can do in the 2018 draft.

Trying to think about this part of the org change objectively...

The one knock on Dorsey that I've read so far is that he can be disorganized and poor with communication. The MMQB article posted yesterday about Dorsey's power struggle with Reid started to go into that. Maybe Haslam took this into account when he set up the structure?

Just a guess.

Sashi Brown died so that we could live.

People should probably listen to Schefter's interview of Dorsey:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=21505963

J/c

yippee

John Dorsey,Ken Dorsey,Tommy Dorsey,
it ain't gonna matter.
Will he magically turn this team into a contender?
If not,then he's just another name that will be added to the list of people fired by the diesel fuel jockey.

I don't know how much sway Paul DePodesta will have within the organization, he never met John Dorsey during the interview process, but one of his best attributes is his organization. I am guessing one of his jobs is to keep everyone on the same page.

Saw this on Reddit

Good call. I forgot about DePo.

I'm certainly not negative but don't feel they deserve any excitement out of folks until something is proven. They crapped on us too many times.
People have every right to remain reserved and still be considered good fans.

Watching Dorsey's introductory presser now, some thoughts:

- He's almost the GM equivalent of Gregg Williams. Seems to have a similar personality.

- Dorsey sounds incredibly familiar and comfortable with Hue Jackson. I don't think it's a gimmick, I think he genuinely wants to work with him. Mentioned getting a lot of positive information from people who knew him.

- I like that he took the time to mention that the position Sashi left is something that made the job hard to pass up.

- Dorsey did mention liking Deshone Kizer. I don't think the intent was to suggest we won't be drafting a quarterback, but I do think it came across as his way of publicly saying that current players on the roster aren't going to be an afterthought. He's undoubtedly familiar with these players from the last few drafts, and that's a positive.

- Says it's not a bad quarterback class but there is a lot more evaluation needed. I love that. Some available GMs, like Scot McCloughan, have stated they have their guy. I'm a little worried when anyone decides in DECEMBER who their QB is. I love hearing he's got a long way to go before he makes up his mind.

- Dorsey got asked a hard question about being out in KC. I like that he didn't take a shot. Really classy response. Could have easily dropped a subtle "Not going well for them without me, huh?" shot.

- Dorsey sounds like he wants to keep the front office largely in place. Personally, I think that's because he knows his voice is going to carry the loudest this offseason.

- Physical skills, feet, accuracy, mindset of the head coach and digestion of that playbook, do guys gravitate to him as a leader - these were the QB traits that Dorsey covets that rolled off his tongue the smoothest. That's Rosen, assuming the rumours his team mates don't get along with him turn out to be false.

- He sounds like he really likes the young roster, and is sympathetic to the struggles of youth compared against a league of grown ass men.

- Media asked a lot of really good questions. Kudos to them.

What evaluation have I made? I just listed the players on the prospective drafts that actually play. And I watch more than just the Browns the Browns 2014 about the Redskins I watch see a watch Giants I'm a fan of the league so I watch more football than I'd like to admit.

Here is what I said:
Judging scouts/evaluators is inexact. People have unrealistic expectations and arbitrary standards. They'll have it in the positive for Dorsey because he's a 'football guy' and negative for Sashi because he wasn't.

If you feel defensive looking at the drafts side-by side that's something you need to look into on your end.

If I've made errors on the draft picks playing time by all means correct me.

My only point in posting them is to show that if sachi's drafts were so terrible that it wanted him being fired and compare them to the drafts of the new GM and you see that the difference isn't that wide. That is all I don't have anything against Dorsey I'm not saying he's a bad GM or that hes going to be a good GM. He is does have exoperience and a good resume. Hes a well respected football guy that will have plenty of draft capital and cap space.

Excuse the grammatical errors this is voice to text while driving in my car

Yes, let's continue to do what we've been doing with just a different person at the top of the tree...

Where's Dee? and JW?

hue is there to coach so shutup and coach.
John is there to acquire talent, do it.
Paul is there to provide both with statistics and analytics to help them with their job, be the voice of reason.

Hue deserved to have been fired also but the advantage to keeping him is that these kids arent having to learn a 4th defense in 4 years. They arent having to absorb an entire new offensive playbook.

Forcing a coach on your GM is the same stupid crap Jimmy has done since he got here. Its as bad as having a GM pick assistant coaches. Its stupid.

Better players will equal a better coach. Again Hue needs real weapons or his scheme doesnt work. Hue runs a big play offense. I do believe that was the biggest disconnect between Hue and Sashi, find guys that can get upfield and catch the ball.

I worry its just another Chud vs lombardi Pet vs farmer Hue vs sashi situation. Both guys may be football guys but they come from 2 different offensive philosophies and lets face it, 2 football guys can be a nightmare to deal with.

I wish they would move on, you know, to another message board.

I really hope you are right.

John Dorsey just met Hue Jackson yesterday. Jimmy Haslam lies every time he talks.

Hue Jackson is going to be on the hot seat as long as he is the coach. That is what happens when you hire a GM without letting him hire his own coach. Just look at the Chuck Pagano situation in Indianapolis (where the GM is John Dorsey's former colleague Chris Ballard).

Thanks Riley and Homes. I am pretty excited about the team moving forward.

We got rid of a guy who was not qualified to have his position and who made too many questionable roster decisions.

We hired an experienced football guy who has a good reputation in the league.

We kept our HC, which means we won't have to learn new schemes, expectations, language, etc.

I do see that Dorsey is in charge of the roster. I hope he really doesn't want to overhaul it, but instead, just keep adding to it. Some guys will need to go, such as some of receivers and DBs.

We have a ton of picks and lots of cash and I thank Sashi for that. I really believe this is the best situation we have had in quite some time.

Hue deserved to have been fired also but the advantage to keeping him is that these kids arent having to learn a 4th defense in 4 years. They arent having to absorb an entire new offensive playbook.

This is the only thing I have read that makes any since on why anyone would keep a HC that is 1-27 and counting ...

Him and Hue will have no problem getting on the same page then.

meh. Most the players weren't here even two years ago so most have never had a HC change like the fan/media have. It should be about what's best for the players, not what makes the fans and media happy... but it is what it is.