Thank you for the article. I completely forgot that Petrino wasn't the Coach when Teddy was there. Thank you for the correction.
But; Bobby's roots are, especially in the passing game, pro-style. Prior to Jackson, Petrino's offenses were known as 'pro-style' and didn't have mobile QBs. I used to like couch scouting his QBs because they were easier to digest and understand then spread QBs because the concepts were recognizable.
This year Petrino planned,rightly so imo, to do more work with Jackson undercenter in more 'traditional' offense.
SI's Albert Breer would be surprised if Louisville junior QB Lamar Jackson is selected in the first round. Source: SI.com Dec 13 - 10:05 AM
Breer insinuates the NFL views Jackson as the same player now as he was going into 2016. The questions include anticipation, process a pro offense and the belief Jackson is "more thrower than passer." This topic will be discussed throughout the entire draft process. What we do know is Jackson is one of the top playmakers at his position in years.
That throw you reference was a gorgeous throw. Look at the one immediately prior. That one was horrendous. My question is which one is the common place and which is the aberration?
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That throw you reference was a gorgeous throw. Look at the one immediately prior. That one was horrendous. My question is which one is the common place and which is the aberration?
Was it horrendous? Looks like his TE may have tripped. Throwing with timing and anticipation doesn't account for the turf monster.
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I saw what you are talking about. I interpreted what the TE is doing as him trying to reach out/dive for the ball, albeit awkwardly. I went back and re-watched with you thought in mind. At full speed I couldn't tell for sure, so I watched again at half speed. Still couldn't tell, so watched again at quarter speed. At quarter speed I think my initial impression was correct.
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It may be an awkward catch attempt, hard to tell. His left foot turned weird as he attempted the catch which I interpreted as a trip. Still I don't think it qualifies as a "horrendous" throw regardless. That appears to be the right read, and he had to throw it outside of the LB (#6). TE got both hands on it. If he tries to put it on the TE, it's 6 points the other way. Putting it low helps prevent tipping it up in the air for the deflection style INT. On 1st down, his guy or no one is the safe play.
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I wonder how many people actually read that article critically? LOL........read it again if you miss my meaning.
That first paragraph sets the tone immediately: "you either agree with everything I write and all the praise I am about to bestow, or you are biased". Bang, right into it with discounting anything contrarian.
Nice marketing piece, lol.... wonder how much it cost his agent to get it written
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Different interpretations. Even if he did trip, I don't think that throw was catchable. Regardless, those are the only 2 of his throws that I have seen from this season and I have to (have already) asked, how good is his accuracy. One great throw doesn't make him accurate. One bad throw doesn't make him inaccurate.
I saw a fair bit of him last year. My two criticisms of him last year are:
1, he was inaccurate. That can certainly evolve but I have not had an opportunity to re-evaluate.
2, When his running was shut down, the entire Louisville offense was shutdown. Can he run an effective offense from the pocket alone?
Another question not specific to him is, how is his work ethic?
If all 3 are answered in the positive then I wouldn't have an issue with him being drafted #1 overall.
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Lamar Jackson is one of the most electric talents in college football.
He broke out in a huge way as a sophomore as Louisville's starting quarterback, throwing for 3,543 yards with 30 touchdowns and nine interceptions and rushing for 1,571 yards and 21 scores on the ground. He won the Heisman Trophy while bedeviling ACC defenses, making things happen with quick legs and a solid throwing arm.
He projects as one of the game's best players again, even after slumping at season's end in losses to Houston, Kentucky and LSU.
What he must become
Although Jackson is a spectacular talent, it's unclear exactly where he fits in the NFL. He is an explosive, big-play runner, but his passing is still developing.
Bleacher Report NFL draft analyst Matt Miller does not have him as a top-50 prospect for the 2018 draft, and told Steve Jones of the Louisville Courier-Journal that his value might be limited in a pocket-passing friendly league.
"I think it can be frustrating for fans because they see a guy like Lamar have so much success as an open-field runner and you kind of wonder why the NFL just doesn’t let him do what he’s great at," Miller said. "But you can't expose a quarterback to those kind of hits, and the NFL is designed to be a quick-strike passing league, and you want a guy who plays to those strengths.”
Jackson is 6'3", 206 pounds and an athletic prospect. He would have to learn routes, but his skill set and speed makes him an intriguing prospect as a wide receiver. Whether NFL teams feel that way is another story entirely.
IMO he’s a better passer than Kizer. The college tape shows he’s more accurate.
And he’s a better athlete.
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IMO he’s a better passer than Kizer. The college tape shows he’s more accurate.
And he’s a better athlete.
Yep. Just a narrative ESPN and others are using to create some ratings. They do this thing every year. I remember when they thought Cam Newton would be a good TE, since he couldn't play QB.
I read a couple of Lamar Jackson hopeful and I'm thinking hmmmm Watson ended up pretty good.
So I made a point to watch him. At first I'm like hmmm hey maybe...then I continued to watch him and he fell apart. As in he played good and then very bad. And he didn't look like he could last in the NFL...I think he's the best running QB around but they don't last in the NFL.
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I read a couple of Lamar Jackson hopeful and I'm thinking hmmmm Watson ended up pretty good.
So I made a point to watch him. At first I'm like hmmm hey maybe...then I continued to watch him and he fell apart. As in he played good and then very bad. And he didn't look like he could last in the NFL...I think he's the best running QB around but they don't last in the NFL.
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I think he best fits a WR role in the NFL like Hines Ward, Randall El, Terrelle Pryor, etc...
He just is not an accurate enough passer for the NFL but he is a good enough athlete to play WR.
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No question he presents a unique study. I am very curious to see how gets used.
Maybe he becomes like Pryor. Maybe he becomes like Vick.
So much depends on who takes him and how they envision using him.
If they plan for him to become a standard quarterback; he becomes a project. If they use him as a receiver/runner he most likely sees the field sooner.
In either case I look forward to watching him play.
I think Lamar Jackson will rise once the draft gets near. He should excel in a lot of the combine drills and will need a good pro day. I'm no where near 100 percent sold him, but I don't think anyone is a complete lock to be a stud/star in this draft class (QB wise)
Obviously the hardest position to project is QB...And as it remains, a lot of successful college QBs, do not translate whatsoever to the NFL.
I don't think Jackson will be a Woody Dantzler (convert to returner/WR in the NFL) I think he reminds me a lot more of Tyrod Taylor with a big splash of Michael Vick as well. He is underrated on his passing, and his running is slightly overrated (as he won't be able to break NFL defenses with his legs every Sunday) QBs always get grabbed way too early, thus the high bust rate. He'll go round 1-2...But its not a lock as of yet.
I’m not a huge fan of Jackson, his upper body mechanics are pretty good but his feet are horrendous, very narrow stance. Looks to run way to much for me, the kid is a wonderful athlete, on par with Vick but when was the last time a true “running quarterback” won a Super Bowl? He may have success a la Vick or RGIII but those running type of QBs scare me, will they be able to stay healthy.
I’m not a huge fan of Jackson, his upper body mechanics are pretty good but his feet are horrendous, very narrow stance. Looks to run way to much for me, the kid is a wonderful athlete, on par with Vick but when was the last time a true “running quarterback” won a Super Bowl? He may have success a la Vick or RGIII but those running type of QBs scare me, will they be able to stay healthy.
To be fair dean, the injury rate in the NFL is ultra high. Its not a question of 'if' its a question of 'when'. Regardless of position, regardless of 'style' of play. So called 'running' QB or pocket passer. They both get injured.
Out of curiosity how much/which games of Jackson have you watched? I not saying I agree/or disagree with your takes on him. What do you mean when you give the opinion that his feet are 'horrendous'?
Sometimes people use these types of adjectives in evaluation and its hard to know what they mean. Do you mean unfixable? Doesn't perform rhythm drop backs? Do you mean that he doesn't often throw with balance?
My one comment would be that although I agree that he does run a lot; I don't think he looks to run too much. I think he looks to run appropriately.
I think his perception as a passer is negatively skewed because he is such a good runner. I think people have such a hard time looking past high running ability (which btw is unquestionable a positive in his assessment) that they don't really evaluate him as passer.
No his feet are fixable, but they do need work. He does some good things with them but like I said they are very narrow when he sets up, obviously the kid has quick feet but it seems like when he’s going into his drops that he’s slower then he should be, if that sounds feesable, almost like he has to think about what he’s doing with maybe. As for running to much for me, it seems like the second he gets any pressure he’s gone. That works great in college and will to an extent in the pros, till defenses catch up. I wish he would at least sit in there a half count longer to see if he can be a more efficient pocket passer. It’s a big weapon for him, his running ability, but I don’t want him to rely on it to much.
I don’t know the numbers to help back me up on this but it seems like the “running” QBs will take more and bigger hits then a pocket passer who figures out how to get rid of the ball quicker. I think the legs of the runners are more open to injury then are the pocket QBs. Eli is a good example of the exact opposite, he’s one of the most i athletic QBs and hasn’t missed a game due to injury. I know he isn’t the norm.
I need to watch more tape of Jackson but that was my initial view on him. Draft Breakdown has been a bit slow this year, plus I do t have the time I used to.
He could generate more zip on the ball by widening that stance, all his throws look like they completely are coming from his waist up. He’s got a good arm but it could be better. His throws are all arm, very little legs or base to them.
so sure, a more mobile QB would possibly be exposed more to hits, but in the pocket, the argument would be that in the pocket, you're at risk for bigger impact hits that could have you missing games at longer stretches, as you're just really standing there while a guy puts his entire strength and leverage into a hit.
And people said the same thing about Watson. oh, he's a running QB it won't work in the nfl.
then he was a top 3 QB in passing TD's at 19 before he got hurt in practice. doesn't sound like much of a running QB.
Also, circumstances. Lamar runs a lot, yes.
but have you seen Louisville's O line? it isn't good. at times, it was really bad. the kid didn't have a choice. get out of the pocket or risk getting killed back there.
the whole pocket vs runner thing is obviously preference, but i can't count how many times the same people who want a pure passer were yelling at Kizer because he had a wide open running lane to get the first down, but instead stood there in the pocket and got smacked.
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I 100% agree that Jackson has a narrow base in general. Not all the time, but usually. But it doesn't hinder his passes that often. But its something that he can correct and I agree when/if he does correct it he'll have even more velocity.
I've only watched a few of his games and right now I'm charting the Fl. State game. But that's my take on base right now.
This is just MO on it and like I said I don’t have any numbers to support me, but when you’re in the pocket you kinda know where the hits will be coming from, maybe I’m wrong, idk, I’ve never played QB. I mean I don’t want my QB to be a statue but I don’t think I’d want a guy like Vick or RGIII either. It’s just MO on the position.
I can’t speak for others, but I never really viewed Watson as a true “running” QB. He was a QB who was equally adept at running but didn’t look to take off nearly as much as some guys with that label. As far as when and how good he is at running I think a good comp. for it would be Steve Young. Not saying Watson is Young, but is a QB first but when he does run is equally as good at it as he is throwing the ball.
I must admit though I did not see Watson being even close to as good as he showed in his limited games so far. He was a huge surprise for me. I must also admit I said to pass on Watson, take a guy later, not Kizer, I didn’t even consider Kizer, I actually liked Webb, who hasn’t gotten a chance yet in New York. So I was wrong on Watson.
I mean QBs are gonna get injured regardless if they’re a runner or not. They have the ball morethen any other player on the field. I just view the running QB as that guy that’s gonna go with his instincts and not figure out that if they slide the defender can’t hit them. They believe to much in they’re ability as an athlete and runner that it won’t happen to them. The “running” QB will always be debated until one shows he can win a Super Bowl. Some have come close.
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