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This is true.

Bill Belichick is currently 247-117.

0-16 x 52 season = 832 losses

117 + 832 = 949

His record would be 247-949

247 + 949 = 1196 games played

247 / 1196 = .206 winning percentage

Hue Jackson's current winning percentage is .200

Oof.

I agree with that. Most probably had very limited dealings with the man.

I do agree that moving on from Sashi will have less impact on the team then if we moved on from Hue.

I guess the impact will depend on how Dorsey wants to run things. Depo is still in place. He had a big part in the plan. If Dorsey buys in to some degree, we will probably still see some trade backs to gain more picks next year. That Houston pick is one that might get bumped down, depending on who is there and who is projected to be available when we would pick after trading back.

Let's compare the best with the worse just for its and giggles. #saveit

To fire Hue or not to fire Hue, that is the question.

I have given this some consideration and realized that one of the main arguments for keeping him is continuity for next season. I think that we are looking at this wrong. We are asking ourselves, who should be the Browns HC next season? I think the question should be, who should be the Browns HC the next 3 seasons?

Here is the reasoning: We are going to draft a Qb #1 overall. I have no doubt about that. He will learn a new system next year regardless of who our HC is. However, if we keep Hue next season then fire him, our prize Qb will have to learn 2 systems in 2 years which will mean a major setback. I think replacing Hue at the end of this season is fine. I think keeping Hue for 3 years is fine. I think the worst thing we could do is keep Hue now then fire him after the 2018 season.

We should be looking at the question of who our HC should be not as a 1 year year proposition but rather a 3 year proposition. Does this change anybody's opinion one way or the other?

That is a point to consider.^

I can only speak for myself, but I don't think I am "looking at it wrong."

Changing coaches, schemes, and roster overhauls have hurt this franchise for years. There would undoubtedly be the "we have to give this guy time" to fix this mess. The new guy might want a ZBS. He might want more of a WCO. He may want to run a 3-4. Where are we then? Same stinking place we always are. That's not "wrong." It's representative of change.

Additionally, I think Hue is a good coach. While we have a small group of posters on this board who have vigorously campaigned against him because they loved the FO, Hue most certainly has respect in NFL circles. We have seen evidence of that over and over. You don't earn respect in the NFL if you suck!

Hue's offenses, schemes, and ability to teach were strengths in Cinci and they are why he was the hottest coaching candidate the year we hired him. Those skills did not suddenly go up in smoke.

The roster was blown up. Everyone knows that. What many people underestimated was how long and painful that decision would ultimately turn out to be.

The players are playing hard for Hue. They haven't given up. Typically, by this time of the year, we see a ton of guys going to IR because they have given up. That is not the case w/this team.

Three things need to happen. We need more talent, we need more experience, and we need to learn how to win. All are tough considering the plan that Sashi and Haslam implemented.

However, we have Dorsey in there now. He is a guy w/an extensive background in scouting. He's paid his dues. He and Hue are apparently on the same page. We have a lot of draft picks due to Sashi's plan of trading back. We have a ton of cap space. That means this team could get right in a hurry.

Staying the course is not "wrong." Instead, it is the most prudent path to follow.

I am not saying that stay the course is wrong. I think staying the course for one more year is wrong. If we are going to stay the course we need to stay the course and that means multiple years.

That makes sense.

I wasn't really arguing. I just wanted to say that I think continuity is important. I also think that Hue is a good coach. I think his schemes and teaching ability are strong. I think he was successful before he got here. And I think he has respect around the league.

I don't think he should be fired.

I agree it is best to stick with Hue, even with any doubts I hold.. Can he be the long term solution? I suppose he can. Only time will show that.

As to the plan, it has to change if for no other reason than Dorsey isn't Sashi. He is bound to do some things differently. What that might be, again, hard to tell.

The last group was inclined to trade back and stash picks. Is Dorsey going to do that or is he going to want to make all the selections where they sit? Sashi and group got somewhat involved in FA last year. Is Dorsey going to want to bring in more veteran leadership and be even more active? Over the past 2 years we have heard Haslam and the FO talking about being committed to building through the draft. We haven,t heard that much. I get the feeling we and all teams try to build through the draft, but maybe it is time to be active players in free agency.

On a personal note, I'd like to see us bring in a few more players. If we do, then we can turn things in a hurry. We won't win the Superbowl any time soon, but we might be able to push for a wildcard maybe as soon as next year, but more towards the season after.

Dorsey has a history of making pretty good picks. Let's hope that history continues.

Didn’t take it as arguing. Took it as lack of clearly expressing my thought.

I am for continuity but i think the continuity needs to be centered around the Qb we pick #1 overall in the next draft.

For all we know we could kind of put the plan on hold until after we really go all in on bolstering the roster this offseason. Let Dorsey have a LOT of say on who we get.

And the roster is still my main reason for retaining Hue.

I also consider who else is out there to hire and whether or not Dorsey and Co. can pick the RIGHT GUY.

I consider how a coaching/system change would affect Joe Thomas's decision to stay, ask for a trade, or hang it up. YES, I take that into consideration.

In spite of the record and the atmosphere right NOW, my gut is still telling me Hue should get another chance.

A few things ...

- the plan is way to far down the train tracks to change ... all that will change is the EXECUTION ...

The plan was to gut the team and build through the draft and create a ton of cap space ... between last year and this year we have the PICKS to accomplish that and we have way more cap space than anyone ....

Unless Dorsey gives some of the picks away ... THATS NOT GONNA CHANGE the plan .... like i said ... the only change will be in EXECUTION (who we pick in both the draft and FA) ...

- I believe the frustration of losing for two straight years has taken its toll on Hue ... I think he’s made some bad decisions based off that frustration ... for lack of a better way to put it, hes basically trying to hard IMO ...

Those warts don’t bother me much cause were not going to be EVEN NEAR THIS BAD NEXT YEAR .... were going to be a MUCH BETTER TEAM and therefore he will be coaching a DIFFERENT team thats not going to frustrate him so he will be coaching with a much different mind set next year ...

Does that make sense? ... i’m not sure i did a good job of articulating that .... mock me all u want for my spelling and grammer, its WELL DESERVED .... .... but folks hardly ever walk away from one of my posts not knowing what the hell i meant ... just curious as to weather some are leaving this post scratching there heads wondering what the hell i just said ... *L* ...

I think most coaches would have accidentally won a game by now. Most coaches adjust their game plan during the game and most coaches also would have not started a rookie that wasn't ready week 1.

We've had more than a few teams with less talent and better records.

Dave Toub will be the next Head coach of the cleveland Browns if Dorsey has his way. I don't believe for a second Hue is safe. No way a guy like Dorsey takes this job if he is forced to keep Hue (Especially when the NY Giants were ready to hand him full control including hiring his own coach)

nope...Dorsey can choose to fire Jackson at years end if he thinks thats best...Jackson is on a 4 game trial with another L

this team will be far better off with Dave Toub as our HC. the guy is a great coach and has deep ties to Dorsey...he has been on of the best Special Teams Coordinators in the NFL the past decade and its a damn crime the guy hasn't become a Head coach yet. Toub will be the best HC we have had here since Schotenheimer in the 80's...

j/c


I really don't think it's a good idea to retain an 0-16 coach especially when the narrative after a first game loss in 2018 will be 1-32.

I don't care how good a coach Hue may or may not be... And I don't care what excuse people may want to attach to Hue's record, but retaining the HC who went 1-31?

Hue may be a good coach, but is he a good head coach? I don't think Haslam's word guarantee Hue will be here. He did say he was happy with the job Sashi was doing and then fired him.

I think the players are still playing hard because they don't want to be apart of a team that went 0-16.

It made sense. Hue is ultra-competitive and he has had success in the past. The losing is killing him. You can see it on his face.

I said from day one that the plan had built-in flaws and one of those flaws was it's hard for an organization and its fanbase to endure a record number of losses.

Like you say, things could be a lot different next year for both Hue and the team. Winning cures a lot of ills.

We have cap space. We have draft picks. We have some decent young talent that will have played in the same system for multiple years. We now have a guy who has way more experience evaluating talent than what we had previously. That guy has almost assuredly given his stamp of approval to Hue. I think them working together will be huge.

Things are looking up for the Browns!

How many times has Hue been to a playoff game? Or in a winning team?

If losing is killing him, he should have quit years ago.

I think you are projecting on Hue something he most definitely is not.

Have you ever thought about researching a topic before making such bold comments?

Please enlighten me.....

Where did Hue won something or even, when did Hue went to a playoff game?

I saw you comparing Hue to McCarthy, so probably you changed the name of the two....

I believe that we should keep Hue, as long as the team continues to play hard.

His record says he is a big time loser!!! If that's what you want then that's you're right. Pretty foolish in my mind! He is Marvin Lewis x 10. We could have at least 6-8 wins with Sean McVay coaching this same squad. You gotta fire this guy soon to end the misery! He should be selling Salve on a street corner! People will be really angry when we are 2-8 next season with no sign of winning, even with the #1 QB pick in the draft. This guy is a true detriment to this organization and the great fans who love the Browns. Fire this guy!!

Hue Jackson: I don't think John Dorsey's planning a coaching change

Posted by Josh Alper on December 11, 2017, 2:55 PM EST

The Browns came close to winning their first game of the 2017 season on Sunday, but fell to 0-13 when they couldn’t hold a 14-point lead in the fourth quarter and lost to the Packers 27-21 in overtime.

That loss came days after the Browns hired John Dorsey as their new General Manager and released a statement saying that Hue Jackson would return as coach in 2018. That statement hasn’t stopped people from feeling that Dorsey will ultimately push to make a change at head coach, but Jackson remains confident he’ll be back.

“I don’t think that’s the case at all,” Jackson said of Dorsey wanting to hire his own coach, via Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com.

Jackson said it was a “much different” Monday with Dorsey on the job as they met in the morning to go over the game and discuss areas to target for improvement in the final three games of the year. Jackson thinks the two men are in sync when it comes to how to move forward, but we’ll have to wait to see if that remains the case once the calendar changes to 2018.

That is just people speculating.

We vetted and talked to Dorsey for over a month. I am sure Jimmy and Dorsey talked about Hue and the coaching situation. I don't think Haslam would have made those comments had it not been discussed with Dorsey and he agreed to give it a whirl with Hue. I also don't think Dorsey just sat back and said yes without calling a few friends who also know Hue to get some opinions.

I think the only way Hue isn't here is if he does something dumb at this point. I don't think going 0-16 or 1-15 is going to make much difference at this point.

Mary Kay's an ass. That is all.

I also agree with that. 2-3 and 6 won't be good enough. Hue needs to hang around .500 with a shot come late Oct, early Nov. If we are out of it come mid Oct, he's toast.


I mean, you can only go so far. I think even the most ardent Hue supports can understand and agree with that.

It was Tony Grossi who asked Hue during his presser today about the Pro Football Talk report that came out saying the belief was Dorsey would try and hire is own coach.

She is just reporting Hue's response to Grossi's line of questioning.

Maybe I misread why you were calling her an ass? I know she can be.

Hue has done a horrible job coaching...I don't think anyone can argue against that. His record speeks for itself. I look at a team like the Jets...they do no not have more talent then us, yet they win games. Heck, Palmer won 2 games with the expansion Browns, who were way less talented then this team.

I know he is frustrated with losing, but how do you not get fired for even suggesting to trade high 2nd and 3rd round picks for a mediocre back-up QB who is going to be a free agent after the year when you have no chance to make the playoffs? Just so you maybe don't go 0-16? That was the dumbest idea ever, and makes me realize that Hue and Halsam don't get it, and aren't looking at the big picture. Thank goodness it didn't go through.

That being said, the quickest way to get back to being competitive is to keep Jackson as coach. However, don't see how anyone can feel confident in Hue at this point to deliver a consistent winning team, especially when he is willing to trade our future away just to make himself look better so he doesn't go 0-16.

The question is, do you cut ties now, and take a another step back (and maybe another winless season), or try to build something with Hue in the next 2-3 years, to at least get back to being competitive.

The major difference is the jets have a QB who knows what he’s doing.

We have a rookie trying to lead the youngest team in the nfl.

The same QB we had last year and won 1 game. So obviously it's not just the QB.

We weren’t talented at all last year. And McCown wasn’t he one who won us the game.

However, an experienced qb won us a game.

And that’s the point. We have an rookie leading an inexperienced team.

Josh McCown? The guy Hue couldn't win with?

Are they also playing all of the same opponents with the same players that we had?
If not, the comparison is invalid.

And the Jets offense isn't talented at all this year; seriously look at that offense...it has no one. Yet they make our offense look like a high school team.

Josh McCown has 18 TDs and 9 INT, throwing 67%.

The jets also have an experienced roster.

The better comparison would’ve been San Fran, who barely got their first win before going to jimmy g.

Shanny was winless right along with us. But I guess he’s a trash coach too.

Hue picked RGIII also.

Nobody can even argue with this one.... that was utterly STooPID

Yeah, and now they've won 3 games, which is 2 more than Hue has in 2 years. Plus, this is his first year, unlike Hue. Do you think they will go 0-16 in year 2? I didn't think so.

That comparison just proves my point.

It actually didn’t.

When shanny goes through 6 QBs in one year due to injury, as well as has his best WR on the roster play QB, with the youngest roster in the nfl back to back years, let me know.

When Shanny hand picks a broken RG3 as his starting QB and starts him over your talented, "experienced QB" McCown, let me know.