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well him and his dad hand picked him in the draft so...

When Shanny offers the Bengals a second and third for AJ let us know.

"I'm not going 1-15," Jackson reiterated. "No. I'll be swimming in that lake over there somewhere. That's not happening."

No 1 win was way to much to ask for.

he can't, he isn't the GM.

I don't even know why or how he should be given that chance. It doesn't make any sense.

Sorry, but the plan has officially ended. It ended when Sashi was escorted from Berea. However, what's left of the plan still remains-- draft picks, cap, aquired players. What happens with those assets will be interesting/fun to watch.

What Dorsey does with said assets will be a part of his plan, his vision; not the plan the was concieved in 2016. Now, that plan may end up working and being far better than the one crafted by Sashi, Depo and Berry. But the plan has derailed off the tracks to stay in concert with your train analogy.

Possibility that has been addressed already as to head coach. Use these remaining games to rattle the cupboard. Find some tacklers. Demand Williams play press more and soft less. Keep throwing some middle routes. But use them to help the new hire and let everybody know that you execute and you are on trial with the new judge. Stop the nonsense with Kizer.
He needs chewed some. But I want Hue here with a reasonable roster, some vets included, and an OC.

From what we have been told, Dorsey had about six weeks to evaluate the players and coaches before he ever took the job. He knew what was going on here before he was hired.

As such, Haslam stated Hue would be returning. Some unsubstantiated rumor mill BS means nothing. It is written by writers to stir the pot and posted by some posters to stir the pot. Nothing more. Then those same posters wonder why they're questioned when they post rumors to do nothing more than stir the pot. lol

Anti-Hue rumors are gospel. Pro-Hue rumors/stories are complete BS!

Which is kind of funny actually. Haslam's statement isn't a rumor. It's a fact. Yet people can only post vague rumors to combat facts.

LOL true.

Can he swim? Maybe if he can't swim, that's why it is not happening.

Maybe we can get the Draft Day cast to join Dorsey for this year's picks. Send 'em to the Combine, do some due diligence for a change. Could be sweet on so many levels.

I agree Vers. Let's fire Dorsey!

Don't let the infighting spread - A guide to enjoying the Browns again: Doug Lesmerises

Updated 12:35 PM; Posted 12:30 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/12/dont_let_the_browns_infighting.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns tore themselves apart. Fans of the Browns can't do the same.

There were two Browns teams this season - Team Sashi and Team Hue - but now that Jimmy Haslam made his choice to stick with his coach and fire his general manager a week ago, the battle within the team has continued to rage through at least part of the fanbase.

Who screwed things up more? Hue Jackson coaching the players or Sashi Brown picking the players? That's an awful way to follow your team.

Two things should be clear to Browns fans right now.

1. This is the bottom. It can't and won't get worse.

2. You don't have to decide who you blame more, but you do have to live with the results of each. So Sashi-Hue fights aren't getting you anywhere. And again, this is as bad as it gets.

Snarky attacks about which GM picked which current decent player, thanking Phil Savage for Joe Thomas; Tom Heckert for Josh Gordon; Ray Farmer for Christian Kirksey, Duke Johnson and Joel Bitonio; and Brown for Myles Garrett, David Njoku and Emmanuel Ogbah, isn't getting you anywhere.

They're all Browns. No matter how they got here, they're yours now. And the guys who picked them are gone.

There should be no more us vs. them within the organization or within the fanbase. You don't have to choose a side between analytics or football traditionalists, because analytics lost. But its influence remains on this roster and in the picks for the 2018 draft.

So stop acting like the Browns are two different groups, even if new GM John Dorsey added to that division with some silly and unnecessary comments Thursday.

You might love the old Browns - what you grew up with, the team your family has rooted for, the stars of the past, the uniforms, the colors, the feeling, the memories.

Realize there is something to grab onto with the current Browns, and you don't have to get in a fight to do it.

Don't get caught up with the Sunday results. You have three more games to get through. Let the national media mock the Browns. It's OK, because it may be worth it.

Follow these steps to get you through the rest of the year and the offseason while grapsing the potential of your team.

1. Trust new GM John Dorsey for now. His track record isn't perfect, but it is a track record. He's going to pound his chest as a football guy just because Brown was cast as not a football guy, and every sports hire is the opposite of the guy fired. But he seems pretty sharp.

Unfortunately, he's taking unecessary shots to protect Hue Jackson and making pre-emptive excuses for himself, saying Thursday on a radio show, "The guys who were here before, that system, they didn't get real players."

That's counterprodutive. Of course they got some real players. This is just stoking another fight for no reason. But you can be better than Dorsey. Don't fall for his knee-jerk "football guy" reaction.

2. Assume Hue Jackson can't ruin this team. If he sticks around for 2018, as Haslam has promised, he'll sink or swim. If the Browns show real progress with Jackson at the helm, don't begrudge him that. If they don't, he'll be fired, and they'll get a better coach. They will, because this roster has talent and good coaches will be interested. But don't root against Jackson just because you were a Sashi person, because that leads to rooting against your team. And there's no reason to do that.

3. Don't dwell on the players who are gone: Yes, maybe the Browns could have signed Mitchell Schwartz. But player movement is part of this league. The constant antagonism about every player who once was a Brown and now is playing well elsewhere is mind-blowing. Taylor Gabriel and his 30 catches for 342 yards in Atlanta is not the the difference between the Browns being a playoff team and not.

4. Enjoy the pieces in place: Dorsey says the Browns need more players, and they do. But don't turn a blind eye to the foundation here. This young defense, led by Garrett, Ogbah, Kirksey, Danny Shelton, Joe Schobert, Jabrill Peppers and veterans like Jamie Collins and Jason McCourty has a lot of potential. And it's been hit hard by injuries. There's a foundation there.

There's also a foundation on the offensive line. Skill players are needed, obviously, despite the presence of Coleman, Gordon and Njoku. But add some top talent there, and there's hope.

5. Understand a quarterback is coming: The quarterback play was as bad at it can get this year, as Deshone Kizer struggled, the receivers were awful and Jackson did little with the gameplan to help a rookie.

But the last GM got fired for not getting a quarterback. Dorsey will get one. Whether it's Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold, the Browns are going to take a quarterback at the top of this draft and have a true young talent at the position like they haven't had since Tim Couch. And this quartebrack will have more around him than Couch did.

Don't fear a trade down. Maybe the Browns will add a veteran as well. But quarterback play cost the Browns at least a couple wins this season. And hope is coming there, guaranteed.

6. Don't get in a fight over Kizer's long-term potential: The Browns should and will hang onto Kizer and continue to develop him. But there's no way you could look at his play this year and use it to pass on a top-10 QB in 2018.

So if you're a Kizer backer, great. He stays, he competes, and if he does develop into a winning starting quarterback, fantastic.

If you're sick of Kizer, fine. A new young QB is coming, and Kizer will become a bonus, not the guy to rely upon.

But there's no reason for Browns fans who are pro-Kizer and anti-Kizer to fight. He's a very young QB with a big arm, accuracy issues and some both good and bad pocket instincts who was thrown into a tough spot with little help and poor coaching. He made some killer mistakes but also flashed some ability.

Keep him. Develop him. But don't rely on him. All Browns fans should agree on that.

7. Understand this was a plan: This will be easy for some fans and impossible for others, especially those who refute every point about the Browns with 1-28.

The front office wasn't worried about winning in 2016 and 2017. So that contributed to how bad the record is. Jackson also didn't coach this team very well. That contributed to it.

But whether you agree with the front office plan or not, it happened. The Browns tanked. Maybe you hated it. But you have to admit the truth so you can move on.

Much of this 1-28 was on purpose. So it's possible it could turn quickly.

Certainly, everyone expected more of an improvement this season. But if the Browns were 5-8 or 4-9 or 3-10 right now instead of 0-13, really, how would that make your life better?

It would make the draft picks worst.

So understand what this was. Understand this part of it is almost over. Understand there are pieces of a foundation in place.

And even if the new GM doesn't get it yet, understand there is only one Browns.

Two things I keep saying every season that prove to be untrue: 1) We've officially hit rock-bottom and 2) THIS is the most important draft of the expansion era Browns.

I end up finding out it CAN get worse and the NEXT draft is even more important.



Good luck with that on THIS board.

John Dorsey declines to declare categorically that Hue Jackson will be back

Posted by Mike Florio on December 14, 2017, 12:52 PM EST

Whether he intended to or not, new Browns G.M. John Dorsey made plenty of waves on Thursday with a radio appearance in Cleveland.

Headline No. 1: The prior regime didn’t get “real players.”

Headline No. 2: Coach Hue Jackson may not definitely be coming back next year.

In Dorsey’s interview with ESPN Cleveland, the new G.M. was asked to echo the comment twice made by his boss, Jimmy Haslam, that Jackson definitely will return next season. Dorsey didn’t say “of course” or any other version of that message.

Here’s the question from Aaron Goldhammer: There’s some reports out, and I just want to be clear about this, John, about you potentially at the end of the year, if the Browns don’t win a game, pushing for a coaching change. Are you willing to categorically say today that Hue Jackson will be the coach of the Browns in 2018?”

“I’ve always said I live in the present, and I build for the future,” Dorsey told Goldhammer. “I live in the present. Right now the sun’s out, the tarps are coming off the field, we’re practicing outside, we’re getting ready to play the Baltimore Ravens, which is a divisional game. That’s my sole focus. And then it’s also getting familiar with the whole layout and the organizational structure in terms of creating my daily routine.”

The response serves only to bolster the existing belief that Dorsey will be (or perhaps already is) making the case privately to Haslam that, in order to truly turn things around, Dorsey needs to assemble his own team — of players, executives, and coaches.

How could his “we’ll see” answer be interpreted any differently? The owner twice says Jackson will be back, and the new G.M. opts not to paint himself into that same corner. While it doesn’t mean Jackson definitely won’t be back, it’s obvious that the notion that Jackson definitely will return isn’t nearly as clear as Haslam made it out to be.

Great article.

I say let him replace whoever he wants to replace. Do I want to blow this thing up again, no not at all, but 1-28. You put a great coach on this team and I don't see that happening. Does Hue have what he needs player wise, no, but 1-28. 1-28 is just to hard to swallow, to not make a change.

Well, one thing is clear. Doug clearly follows this board!

The Hue Jackson defenders are comical.

Jackson is the WORST coach in NFL history...

Chris Friggin Palmer won 5 game sin two years with an expansion team that was WORSE then the Browns current roster.

Jackson is trash, if Dorsey has any brains in his head at all, he cuts bait with Jackson at years end.

Bring a Real Coach like say...i dunno...Dave Toub....not only does Dorsey have deep connections to the guy, not only is he a great coach, not only is it borderline criminal the guy hasn't been a head coach, not only is he considered the greatest Special Teams coach in history by many, but he brings a winning pedigree...he is a guy that changes the atmosphere here day one...

The only way Dorsey sticks with Jackson is if he is a fool...which I don't believe he is. I fully expect Toub to be our next Head Coach, Dorsey loves the guy, and he has been the best at what he has done for a very long time...Hue was barely a middle of the road coordinator...Toub was/is the BEST in the business at what he does...its really a no brainer...Toub turns things around here...

giving Jackson another year is just wasting another year just like we did with Mangini...no need to make that mistake again....just move on...new plan, new GM, we should have a new coach too, i mean 0-16 makes it easy for Dorsey to move on, even 1-15...two wins in two years...its a no brainer to cut bait...

You are assuming Dorsey has the power to cut bait with Hue at season's end. The guy will have been here less than two months and has no real prior relationship that I am aware of with Haslem. I doubt he has that stroke. It's possible he can talk Haslem into it if Hue finishes the year winless, but even that isn't a certainty.

Hue will be here until Haslem is good with him not being plain and simple.

And there it is.

About a week earlier than I thought though.

Hue is gone at the end of the season.

Willie, Haslam said that Dorsey has the final say of whether or not Hue will return.

It is fairly evident that the two have talked quite a bit and that they are both comfortable together. Things can change, but for right now, I think these two are working together.

Who is Toub?

Special teams coach for the Chiefs. I believe he is regarded as one of the best in the league.

Why is he relevant to this conversation?

Wait! Is that the guy KOB was talking about? LMAO

Just a hypothetical here.

IF we relieve Hue of his duties and even if we don't, what happens to Williams?

Does Dorsey like the way Williams is running the back half of the Defense? Does he realize he is running it this way due to a lack of talent back there? IS he running it this way due to a lack of talent? Or would he continue to run it this way even with an influx of talent? I mean a Top FA CB, a Top 40 pick and say a Minkah-Fitzpatrick?

The way Williams is running this defense and what Dorsey is used to in KC are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum.

With or without Hue, Williams is one to watch.

I hope we keep all of our coaches.

Williams could end up being a new head coach here. He has that same mentality and way of thinking out GM does.

I still think people are reading too much into it. Dorsey is just making sure he has a way out if things go south. I think him him and Hue will get along fine. I mean at least their soundbites are pretty complimentary of each other.

I think he picks the head coach that he likes and lets him choose if he wants to keep Williams.

Everything was peaches-n-cream with Hue & Sashi at first, too.


Hue will get canned next year at the latest. They will cite "fundamental differences" about how the players are being used and the new GM will bring in a coach he likes, and that coach will want new players that are "his", which will be fine with the GM because then any credit that could go to Sashi will be erased.

"The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round."

Good to know as I was under the assumption that Hue still answered directly to Haslem. Makes things much more interesting no doubt.

One has to wonder why our outspoken, straightforward, "no BS" GM wouldn't simply say "Yes" when asked if Hue will return in 2018.

https://twitter.com/TheRealLA__/status/941719056356380674

Accept for that pesky thing the guy who signs the checks said. lol

Ya ... that pesky little thief that signs the check has definetly proven hes a man of his word ... ...

I thought Jimmah would make the call as well, but Vers pointed out that Dorsey has been given final say as to whether or not Hue stays. I still believe Haslem would have to OK it, but it makes the situation a bit more interesting imo.....especially if we go 0-16.

This is horrible process. One win doesn't make us a better team.